hmbld Posted February 14, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,491 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 1,457 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/23/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/02/1971 Share Posted February 14, 2016 1 minute ago, ARGOSY said: Does the bible say in the "beginning of time" No, you are assuming that. The text does not say that Does the bible say "in the begining of Mankind's story" No, I just assume it's about man's story. There's the angel's story. There are many wonderful things happening for billions of years before God decided to make Man or even this particular dimension/universe Who is right? We cannot say. Context is just not clear what was "beginning".. I believe Genesis 1 is about Mankind's story. God making a formless, empty, watery planet into a habitable planet to create mankind. But the wording is not 100% clear. Neither can I be proved wrong. Understood. I understand "in the beginning" means the beginning. Why God would create a formless, empty watery planet before the beginning is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARGOSY Posted February 14, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,695 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 583 Days Won: 2 Joined: 01/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/11/1968 Share Posted February 14, 2016 7 minutes ago, hmbld said: Understood. I understand "in the beginning" means the beginning. Why God would create a formless, empty watery planet before the beginning is beyond me. Are you saying God never existed before the creation of Genesis 1? Now for all eternity, a billion upon billion years you are claiming that God did nothing before he made earth? Sorry I cannot agree, God was always doing things, there have been a billion other projects , maybe even more. So things did actually occur before the beginning. So the bible is just the story of this little project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Where did you get the "billion upon billion years"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmbld Posted February 14, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,491 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 1,457 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/23/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/02/1971 Share Posted February 14, 2016 4 minutes ago, ARGOSY said: Are you saying God never existed before the creation of Genesis 1? Now for all eternity, a billion upon billion years you are claiming that God did nothing before he made earth? Sorry I cannot agree, God was always doing things, there have been a billion other projects , maybe even more. So things did actually occur before the beginning. So the bible is just the story of this little project. Some sci-fi could be true, not all sci-fi is true, your theory is not supported by other scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARGOSY Posted February 14, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,695 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 583 Days Won: 2 Joined: 01/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/11/1968 Share Posted February 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, Teditis said: Where did you get the "billion upon billion years"? My limited expression of God's existence forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, ARGOSY said: My limited expression of God's existence forever Not meaning to argue, but it seems a bit gratuitous to assign billions and billions of years to Creation without some proof, either Biblical or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARGOSY Posted February 14, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,695 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 583 Days Won: 2 Joined: 01/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/11/1968 Share Posted February 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, hmbld said: Some sci-fi could be true, not all sci-fi is true, your theory is not supported by other scripture. I'm not really following you. God is eternal. That is my scriptural backing. He also created the concept of creativity, because He created everything. A creative eternal God would therefore, just by definition of His character, would have been doing things before creation week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARGOSY Posted February 14, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,695 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 583 Days Won: 2 Joined: 01/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/11/1968 Share Posted February 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, Teditis said: Not meaning to argue, but it seems a bit gratuitous to assign billions and billions of years to Creation without some proof, either Biblical or otherwise. I'm not assigning billions of years to creation week. I am assigning billions of years to the period BEFORE creation week. hmbld seems to be claiming that nothing ever happened before creation week. I claim that with an eternal and intelligent and creative God, his suggestion is impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 1 minute ago, ARGOSY said: I'm not assigning billions of years to creation week. I am assigning billions of years to the period BEFORE creation week. hmbld seems to be claiming that nothing ever happened before creation week. I claim that with an eternal and intelligent and creative God, his suggestion is impossible. Okay, and I'm asking where do you get the billions of years... before Creation-week... from any source either Biblical or otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARGOSY Posted February 14, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,695 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 583 Days Won: 2 Joined: 01/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/11/1968 Share Posted February 14, 2016 3 minutes ago, Teditis said: Okay, and I'm asking where do you get the billions of years... before Creation-week... from any source either Biblical or otherwise? From the bible. Genesis 21:33 he called on the name of the Lord, the Eternal God. If he is eternal, then he would have existed before any of the physical matter mentioned in Genesis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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