The Time of Testing

[SINNERSAVED]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

SS

You are also judging others.  I would call it more of correction in this instance what I did.  I am not questioning your status of true Believers.  But since you put it that way; ... Only True Believers will assemble with each other.  Only True Believers will help one when they stumble,  Only True Believers will let someone help them up.  Only True Believers will Disciple others,  Only True Believes will be Discipled by others.  If one is a True Believer they would show there face.  If you cannot find a Church which accepts you or you dislike them; Start a home Bible Study.  Do Not be a loner.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

you should do just fine on your own,  blessings and good luck...

[Sister]

7 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

Sister you are awesome , and you have told the truth , it is time that we ,really seek Him in this last days, for many are caught up with the building and church ,and not getting fed , and not learning ,how to have a personal relationship with God,

when I left the church , is when, I learned the most , and then found out, I was being taught false doctrines, for I am studying as much as I can, and doing as much research as I can, and I am now , a lot stronger in my faith in God, I am more disciplined, and I have my eyes open , more,

and I was not getting this in 30 minutes of church teaching  and 45 minutes of music, a week,

I spend all day long now. and hours on hours , and there is so much to learn about God, that we will never be able to learn it all,

thank you for pointing to the facts and the truth , for many are asleep. and time is ....at hand.

SINNERSAVED

I see the spirit of God is moving you in leaps and bounds.  All the questions you have asked on this forum is amazing!  You are hungry for truth brother and the spirit of truth is guiding you.  You are comparing everything to the scriptures! Praise the good Lord, for this is what we should all do if we love the truth.

In answer to your first paragraph, I totally agree.  Going to church can give one false security. I'm not saying church is bad, but make sure your church teaches what the scriptures say, and ask lots of questions, for doctrines of men are in these churches Christ warned us about.  These doctrines that are many, are taught to the masses, and that's where the flock congregates.

When the False Prophet comes, he will eliminate all Christian churches, and the sheep will have no pasture, what are they going to do then when it will be made illegal for Christians to congregate?  This will happen as in times before, the flood is coming, and if our foundation is built on sand, then the fall of it will be great. (Matt 7:26)

Jeremiah 25:36   A voice of the cry of the shepherds, and an howling of the principal of the flock, shall be heard: for the LORD hath spoiled their pasture.

Christ is the head of the church.  He made the apostles the foundations.  They were sent out to teach what Christ taught them, which is all recorded in the scriptures. This is our foundation, what they wrote, what they testified of, and the knowledge they shared.  All of this comes from the Word of God given to them to give to us, and seeing Christ is called the Word of God, everything he speaks is what we should be eating.  This is real food for the soul, the one that gives life.  God bless you, for you are eating his flesh.

[WilliamL]

18 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

My point is those who do not attend a place of worship or even a Bible Study are not following Scripture because they are not accountable to anyone but themselves.  Heb 10:24,25 - And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds.  Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another and all the more as you see that Day approaching.

So one who does not attend any place of worship or even a Bible Study or Prayer time with others IS not following Scripture, and therefore is their word really reliable.  Are they theological correct.  A loner here on this board, is that just a loner.  I do not put much credence then in what they post.  I like to see who I am dealing with.

William replies: This forum is a continuous Bible study wherein people are able to teach and learn and help and pray for each other 24/7. I have found it more useful than most face-to-face Bible studies, which are usually dominated by one or two people having little tolerance for divergent views. And which only take place once a week.

...And I would say that you also are quite prideful.  Totally against anyone with a Pre-Trib view.  Do you see the point.    I see very little opposition between those of these other views.  It is usually three on one as I see it.  When this happens, it is usually the ONE who is correct.

Mid-Trib, Pre-Wrath and Post-Trib all see the many holes in Pre-trib.: in this they are able to agree.

I was raised in a generic "United Protestant" church in the 1950s-60s, wherein eschatology consisted of 'the Lord will come someday for his Church' -- end of discussion. So when I read "Late Great Planet Earth" in 1973, it was my first real intro to Pre-trib. And coming from a logic-based math and sciences background, even then I could see the many gaps in logic and unproven assumptions in Pre-trib; the same ones still being recited today.

For example, there is no biblical scripture that says the Wrath of God is the same as the Great Tribulation, but Pre-tribbers go on chanting this mantra despite that fact.

Your statement -- "I see very little opposition between those of these other views" -- only demonstrates how little effort you have made to learn what those other views teach. Because I have see LOTS  of differences stated on this board between them.

 

[SINNERSAVED]

montana marv,

So one who does not attend any place of worship or even a Bible Study or Prayer time with others IS not following Scripture, and therefore is their word really reliable.  Are they theological correct.  A loner here on this board, is that just a loner.  I do not put much credence then in what they post.  I like to see who I am dealing with.

This forum is a continuous Bible study wherein people are able to teach and learn and help and pray for each other 24/7. I have found it more useful than most face-to-face Bible studies, which are usually dominated by one or two people having little tolerance for divergent views. And which only take place once a week.

so you see the above is your own comment of what the online forum has produced compared to your personal study, you have contradicted your self right here, by saying those that don't go to church and all that , which you have no clue about, why should you hear from them and ,yet out of the other side you are saying you are learning more here, so ,

please stop the confusion, and give it a rest, you have stated what we have been saying , that people here on this website, church going or not , are in the word of God and love God , then most really do ,

you have closed your mine, and yet back bitten your self with your comments,  you have judge others by what they do and if they don't gather , following the bible and God , when we are doing it right here and right now,

I have learned through people here and else where, that if you only have a bible in your hand does not make you a believer, but whats in the bible , and if you apply it to your life , then you are living the life of a believer, it does not take a building or group to make you who you are, , Jesus walk alone, and showed the world how evil and hateful people are , even to the truth and to peace,

man does not want peace , and man does not know the ways of God, but if you surrender your self and your will to Him ,He is faithful and just to forgive and open the eye of the sinner, we are all sinners, not one righteous, but by the blood for the atonement of sins and the cleansing of the spirit with in us, by the word of God we are made clean and righteous in the sight of the lord, and as I will say again,

its not by works and the people you hang around, it is the word that is preached and the agape love of a God that has change the old person to be renewed in spirit mind and soul,

this is truth , that you have been purchased with a high price, of a life ,and we cannot disrespect that by non sense and worldly views,

but by every word of God we need to preach to others, for we were held in bondage and slaves to sin,and death, but we are no longer a slave or in bondage  anymore, and so every one gets to receives, if willing tto surrender to ,the goodness of the mercies of God.

[WilliamL]

On 12/18/2015 at 0:40 PM, Montana Marv said:

2 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

montana marv [said],

So one who does not attend any place of worship or even a Bible Study or Prayer time with others IS not following Scripture, and therefore is their word really reliable.  Are they theological correct.  A loner here on this board, is that just a loner.  I do not put much credence then in what they post.  I like to see who I am dealing with.

[william replied:] This forum is a continuous Bible study wherein people are able to teach and learn and help and pray for each other 24/7. I have found it more useful than most face-to-face Bible studies, which are usually dominated by one or two people having little tolerance for divergent views. And which only take place once a week.

[SINNEERSAVED SAID:] so you see the above is your own comment of what the online forum has produced compared to your personal study, you have contradicted your self right here, by saying those that don't go to church and all that , which you have no clue about, why should you hear from them and ,yet out of the other side you are saying you are learning more here, so ,

 

My bad, I interjected the "William replied" section without clearly identifying it except for the change of color. I have now corrected the original post.

Apologies for the misunderstanding. Suggest to SS that you remove the above paragraph from your post.

 

[SINNERSAVED]

1 hour ago, WilliamL said:

 

SORRY MY FAULT STILL LEARNING HOW TO GET THIS RIGHT,

[Montana Marv]

SS

Glad you have Bible Study. 

If I ever went to the hospital, I would probably have 8 different people visit and pray with me the first 2 days. 20 more by the 7th day. Food would be provided to my wife, when I got home meals would be provided.

These are the benefits of a Church family.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Sister]

On 20/12/2015 at 10:49 AM, Montana Marv said:

Sister

What does Heb 10:24, 25 say about what you just posted.  If you assemble with no one, pray with no one, you cannot encourage them and they cannot encourage you either.  So in essence no one can mentor you, and you cannot mentor anyone else.  Like Salt which has lost its savor.  And then some leave a local assembly because they get kicked out or are told to leave because of obscure views.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Montanna Marv

 Hebrews 10:24   And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

  Hebrews 10:25   Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Yes I agree, but just because one does not go to church does not mean that God did not provide that person with a brother or sister in the Lord.  I have two brothers in the Lord who are very precious to me and we all hold each other up by discussing the scriptures, and keeping these scriptures alive.  I suppose we do mentor one another, and sometimes I don't know what I'd do without them, but even if we are not together, or get separated one day, we are never alone, for this walk is a daily walk between our individual selves and the Lamb of God.  If we didn't have his Word in us, then no matter how many friends we had, we would be very alone and destitute.

 

Now regarding what you said about the salt losing it's savor.  I've been really thinking about this scripture lately on what it really means, something I never picked up before and I'd like to share it with you.

Salt is used as a seasoning.  It adds flavour.  We who believe and walk in the Lord are not just living for no purpose, but "seasoned" with "truth" and walking towards something amazing (The Kingdom of God)

If we lose the salt, that seasoning of "the truth" we are no good to anyone.

Now when we sacrifice to God, our sacrifice should be perfect.  Remember the lambs Israel had to sacrifice?  They had to be spotless, without fault.  We don't sacrifice lambs anymore, but our sacrifices are our sins.  We don't give away or repent on things that are half important, but give up the things that our flesh really loves.  If we give up things that we don't really love, and keep the things we want to hold on to, then our sacrifice is not perfect and we've lost the salt.  We can't pick and chose because it has to be all or nothing.  If we were to give God a gift would we give him a gift that had a defect?, or one that was cheap?  No we would give him the very best of the best.  Think about that.  What's the one thing man does not like to sacrifice?

So the "salt" is not speaking of whether we go to church and fellowship or not, this is not a sacrifice unless your soul hates it, then what are you doing there in the first place?, and what's to lose? for many like to socialise amongst their own kind, enjoy themselves and have many bring them dinners when their sick etc.  I just don't see that as a sacrifice.

There are many Christians who do not attend a church and are out there preaching.  Are we not doing it now?  Dont lose the salt is to not lose the truth.  This is what really counts, for if the truth is in us, our sacrifice will be perfect.  We are sacrificing because of the truth, and the truth has no flaws.

 Matthew 5:13   Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

 Mark 9:49   For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
 

 

 

 

 

 

[SINNERSAVED]

On ‎12‎/‎21‎/‎2015 at 4:30 PM, Montana Marv said:

SS

Glad you have Bible Study. 

If I ever went to the hospital, I would probably have 8 different people visit and pray with me the first 2 days. 20 more by the 7th day. Food would be provided to my wife, when I got home meals would be provided.

These are the benefits of a Church family.

In Christ

Montana Marv

So what is your point you are stating, because I don't go to church I wont have no one with me ? do you even ,hear your self and about how you are talking, ?

here is a story right from the bible, you may not have heard this one ? so I am going to tell it, I hope when I am done with this story , it brings some thought to you, and this blesses you , to feed your self and to see what has happened,

there was two people praying one a tax collector and one a very confident person in his own ability, and the tax collector fell to his knees and looked down not even looking up and said lord God forgive me a sinner, and the other one prayed, I am glad I am not like him ,

this is not word for word , but I hope I got the picture of the story down, and then God said which one would be forgiven , and was repentive, and, who was not ?

so I wish you well my brother , and I pray that God opens your eyes, to see, and gives you everything you wish for,

and I will pray for you also , and let it be between you and God to sort  everything out, blessing  marv

[Montana Marv]

1 hour ago, SINNERSAVED said:

So what is your point you are stating, because I don't go to church I wont have no one with me ? do you even ,hear your self and about how you are talking, ?

here is a story right from the bible, you may not have heard this one ? so I am going to tell it, I hope when I am done with this story , it brings some thought to you, and this blesses you , to feed your self and to see what has happened,

there was two people praying one a tax collector and one a very confident person in his own ability, and the tax collector fell to his knees and looked down not even looking up and said lord God forgive me a sinner, and the other one prayed, I am glad I am not like him ,

this is not word for word , but I hope I got the picture of the story down, and then God said which one would be forgiven , and was repentive, and, who was not ?

so I wish you well my brother , and I pray that God opens your eyes, to see, and gives you everything you wish for,

and I will pray for you also , and let it be between you and God to sort  everything out, blessing  marv

SS

The point being; with no Church family you loose benefits.  No one to ask, how are you doing.  How many people on this Worthy Board site will come and visit you in the Hospital.  How many will pay your utility bills.  Who here will know if you even go to the Hospital.  Without a group for accountability, one becomes an Island.  This Christian site and others are not what Scripture had intended as being someones Christian family.  Who here can wash your feet, who here can anoint your head with oil.

Heb 10:25 - Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another; and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

In Christ

Montana Marv