Gift of Healing

[PaulTimothy]

Hello I posted this a few weeks ago but I was ignorant about where the proper place to post it was so I hope this is more apt.

 

I hope someone on here can help me.

In June I was diagnosed with an incurable disease and it has basically devastated every part of my life. I have put my life on pause for now as I am on a spiritual journey. 

My past consists of a very spirit filled family but much tragedy. My family used to consist of a pretty good number of people but because of disease many people died far too early. All of these tragedies happened before I was born but all of the miraculous events also happened before I was born. So the faith I have always had was more like "belief." Which consisted of the basics.

Fast forward 25 years, I myself am a chemical engineer, so when I found out I was sick I intially turned to my mind and exhausted every possible option that mankind has to offer which left me back at square 1. 

I figured I was like the story of the guy who gets lost at sea and prays to God to save him, while a boat and a kayak come up to pull the guy out of the water, he says no no God will save me, he drowns, asks God why he didn't save him and God says, I tried.

So I turned to God in September which was in the midst of what can only be described as the worst depression that you can imagine. I lost 30 pounds in a matter of a couple weeks, wasnt eating, was so anxious I couldnt sleep for days, I would pace like a lion at home, constant racing thoughts and I was so suicidal I thought of myself as too worthless to even kill myself, all I would be is a further burden. 

Fast forward a bit, saw a counselor which helped and started to meet with multiple religious figures and spiritual learders weekly. So I went further into it (faith). My prayer life started to increase and things, coincidences, which I hear don't exist with people of faith, started to happen regularly. 

Thankfully my family has ties to many still living spiritual people, one in particular, prayed for me and in the middle busted out in tongues which I had never experienced or heard before and he was the only person I had a physical manifestation from after his prayer, 5 or 6 surges, kind of like goosbumps, but very quickly all in a row. I had further medical testing done which could not pick up the previously detected disease, however still left room for error.

I took to scripture as I did science, reading and researching, studying all I could. After enough preparation I performed a self-deliverance which rid me of all the voices and constant thoughts in my head. Which I was told sounds like a successful deliverance.

I prayed, almost constantly, almost every waking moment of the day I was praying or studying scripture. "Things" really started to happen (which if anyone cares to know I'll post as a response I have a directive for right now). 

I had joined a bible study group and they had been pushing me to be baptized for weeks and weeks. I was resistant, I was still somewhat suicidal, and when I make a commitment to something as big as baptism I don't quit, and my battle wasnt that I could quit on God, but quit on life. I also wanted it to be genuine, I didn't want to feel like I was using God to get something, which I really was all in all, but I didnt want it to feel thag way. I eventually was baptized in late Oct/early Nov. 

I started to research about the gifts of the holy spirit, a hot topic I soon learned, not something openly talked about. I wanted these gifts, I coveted them. Not because I wanted more from God but because, -

Im not acquainted with any of you but if you have ever had something happen to you that no one can do anything about, where divine intervantion is your only option, and don't say your grandma or even your kid was sick yadda yadda, I know these things are sad, but there js something different when it happens to you, something innately different. This caused me to change, my whole perspective on life, you appreciate anything and everything, I havent driven in my car with the music on in 6 months, so I can look outside, feel and smell the air, your desires, aspirations, goals, and dreams all change -

but because I wanted to help people. My family had two miracles happen, both to people who sadly died of other things not too long after, but both were miraculously healed of things with no medical expliantion. I not only wanted to be healed but I wanted to spread the love and the possibilities and the power that is God.

Just before thanksgiving I began speaking in tongues, so for all you doubters, its real, its not fake, and I have even recorded and looked up some phrases that I noticed I kept repeating, and they turned out to be real words in other languages. These languages changed, from Italian all the way to Japanese. Mind you all I speak is a little bit if German, and fluent English and pig latin....ha.

I was practicing this daily, yes you can voluntarily do it, its some not power that takes over your body, I would do it and shortly after I would be exhausted no matter what time it was and I would have vivid dreams if I spoke in tongues before I fell asleep. For me to remember my dreams was highly unusual. Then I started to do it less and almost not at all last week.

Then last Friday I decided to do it right before I went to sleep, I didnt do it for very long, just something quick and I ended up having the most intense dream I have ever had. A dream within a dream, which I have never had before, and it had the D....the devil in it. (A pretty detailed summary of that I also have if you're interested and I would be interested especially if someone on here has the ability to interpret dreams). 

So now what I wrote all of this for, I am looking for a legitimate, credible, person with the gift of healing. Not exactly found in the yellow pages. Don't direct me to any of these televangelists, Binny Hinn, and all his wannabees. These people are frauds, Matthew 10:8 "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give." Jesus was humble, he didn't broadcast his abilities, his apostles did, the believers did, and he didn't turn anyone away. 

I have found some in my couple months of searching. These are people you won't find on TV or on the news or in a legal investigation. These are humble quiet people in regular houses with no microphones, no radio stations, and lead the average life.

The man who prayed over me believes he has the gift of healing. I found an elderly woman who has documented healings near me. I also found out about a lutheran pastor on the East coast after pulling my own pastor's teeth if he knew someone, apparently he knows another but this guy's job could be injeopardy if it got out. Apparently much of the modern church is against people being relieved of suffering at the hand of those blessed with spreading the work of God.

I live in the Chicago suburbs, so in that general area would be nice, but this isnt just finding a good pizza place, this is to ascertain a miracle, I'll go anywhere.

If you would need to contact me perosnally we can figure that out, not sure how lol, but I don't intend on having anyone's name blasted out who prefers privacy.

Thank you for your time, this platform, and your help. God bless.

 

[enoob57]

 

[PaulTimothy]

If its too confusing, its basically a yes or no question. 

[disciplehelovestoo]

as i read your post, it brought me back to a similar place in my life 18 years ago.  i was diagnosed with terminal cancer, and the prognosis was 6 months; i've been cancer free and doctor free for 16 years now, and received numerous other healings over those years.  i've prayed with people and seen immediate healing received, and gradual healing received over time; and this is entirely logical based on scripture; i've experienced instant healing and gradual healing in my own body, and i understand why based on scripture.  but there's some things you need to understand about receiving healing from God; it's not that some people have the gift of healing and others don't - every Christian has the gift of healing (albeit most either don't know this or have been somehow prejudiced against the concept) - for themselves - for their own healing - you don't need to go to someone else.  the gift of healing commonly referred to as one of the 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit (which i think you are referring to) is something every Christian can operate in - but like all the gifts of the Holy Spirit, it cannot be done outside of the leading of the Holy Spirit and is always directed toward healing others instead of one's self - but the good news is, healing is already available to you, the Holy Spirit is always leading you and everyone else to receive it (His healing power is always on), and the key to receiving it is the simple law of faith - now don't get defensive - you OBVIOUSLY have faith; and since faith is a gift from God and everyone gets the same amount - a mustard seed sized chunk of faith that can move mountains - faith is not the variable; and this is actually good news, because no one is gonna force God to give them more faith.  the variable is what Jesus called 'unbelief'; and this is better news, because your unbelief is entirely under your own personal control.  the effectiveness of faith is the result of the combined and opposite effects of faith (believing God, who is His word) and unbelief (reports that oppose God's word - doctors reports, test results, the body's 'voice' of pain and fear, all the predictions of likely bad outcomes you can find on the internet about the type of sickness you suffer from, etc.).  faith and unbelief are opposites.  let's say your faith and unbelief is like two teams of horses connected to each other through a carriage that you're sitting in, and pulling in opposite directions.  the number of horses on the faith team is constant, but the number of horses in the unbelief team is variable and under your control.  if you have less horses on your unbelief team than God put on the faith team, your faith team will drag your unbelief team backward, and pull you toward life; the less horses there are on your unbelief team, the faster the faith team will pull you toward life.  if you add horses to the unbelief side, the faith team will slow down; once you add the same number of horses to the unbelief team as are in the faith team, a standstill is reached (your faith is 'bound').  keep adding horses to the unbelief team and the unbelief team will move you faster and faster in the direction of death.

unbelief comes in 3 basic forms:

1-'natural' or 'physical' unbelief - where sickness is concerned, symptoms that you feel in your body - pain, weakness, cold symptoms, etc. - this form of unbelief results from focusing on the 'voice' of your own physical body

2-lack of complete understanding of the gospel

3-wrong thinking based on wrong teaching, bad experience - yours and/or others, etc.

" Fast forward 25 years, I myself am a chemical engineer, so when I found out I was sick I intially turned to my mind and exhausted every possible option that mankind has to offer which left me back at square 1.  "

all this stuff opposes what God has said - that He sent His word to heal you - and builds your unbelief (#3 above).  since you've started seriously seeking God in His word and stopped researching the world's wisdom, and exercised faith in His supernatural healing, hope has risen up and you're confident that God wants to heal you - you've reduced this 'learned' unbelief by focusing on God's word.

does this make sense?

 

i edited the post after posting it, and removed the 'if' from the last sentence; that was a typo

Edited January 6, 2016 by disciplehelovestoo

[simplejeff]

SO COOL !   How's all going ? ((didn't get chance to read your recent posts yet))

On January 2, 2016 at 1:18 AM, PaulTimothy said:

..... I hope someone on here can help me......The man who prayed over me believes he has the gift of healing. I found an elderly woman who has documented healings near me. I also found out about a lutheran pastor on the East coast after pulling my own pastor's teeth if he knew someone, apparently he knows another but this guy's job could be injeopardy if it got out. Apparently much of the modern church is against people being relieved of suffering at the hand of those blessed with spreading the work of God.

...

 

 

[simplejeff]

On January 6, 2016 at 7:00 PM, disciplehelovestoo said:

 the variable is what Jesus called 'unbelief'; and this is better news, because your unbelief is entirely under your own personal control.  the effectiveness of faith is the result of the combined and opposite effects of faith (believing God, who is His word) and unbelief (reports that oppose God's word - doctors reports, test results, the body's 'voice' of pain and fear, all the predictions of likely bad outcomes you can find on the internet about the type of sickness you suffer from, etc.).  faith and unbelief are opposites.

i.e. has faith increased, or won.   or unbelief ....    or ongoing challenge ? 

[thereselittleflower]

Sometimes God intervenes with miraculous healing.

Other times He leads us to natural or medical means.

 

I have an incurable illness.  It has devastated pretty much every area of my life.

God has led me to natural means to overcome this.   As long as I employ them, I am relatively free of its effects.    There are two big things that are wrong that I am aware of.  

One is something is very wrong with how my body uses methyl B12 (the methyl form of vitamin B12) - my body uses it up too fast and so I have to take massive doses every day to keep up. 

The other is there is something wrong with my body's ability to produce enough NAD+ and thus supply the mitochondria of my cells with what they need to work properly, and supplementing with a form of Vit B3, a purified form of nicotinamide riboside, supplies the missing NAD+ and allows my mitochondria to produce the power my cells need.  

The results have been phenomenal.  As long as I take these, I see a reversal of my symptoms, and not only do I see a reversal of my symptoms, but since I started taking a purified form of nicotimamide riboside 5 months ago, I am seeing a rejuvenation of my body which is actually becoming visibly noticable.    

 

 

[disciplehelovestoo]

6 hours ago, simplejeff said:

i.e. has faith increased, or won.   or unbelief ....    or ongoing challenge ? 

not sure what you're saying; faith is a gift from God and everyone gets 'the measure', so faith neither increases or decreases - the variable is unbelief

[simplejeff]

start with 90% unbelief.  

next,  70% unbelief.

has faith increased ? 

in one way, it's still the same "grain of mustard seed" size ((no need to have more than that, and rare to have that much without unbelief hindering big time))

in another way, it's increased from 10% to 30%.

OR, switching examples:

in china, in africa, healing has been a daily part of life for ekklesia.  expected and enjoyed grace from Yahweh in Yahshua.

a missionary to china recently returned from there and reported 

that unbelievers, pagan chinese, see the dead raised up ((just to physical life again))

after a week in the morgue/ hospital more often than believers do 

simply because there's so many more unbelievers ((with 'faith' in something else)).

but in the usa, it is rare.  not unheard of , but rare.

why ? 

Jesus said why.  

also, instead of faith in Jesus, 'unbelief' may be dis-belief or belief in something else.

faith in something else, taking the place of Jesus. "instead of" Jesus.

this is most common TODAY.

37 minutes ago, disciplehelovestoo said:

not sure what you're saying; faith is a gift from God and everyone gets 'the measure', so faith neither increases or decreases - the variable is unbelief

 

[disciplehelovestoo]

7 hours ago, simplejeff said:

start with 90% unbelief.  

next,  70% unbelief.

has faith increased ? 

in one way, it's still the same "grain of mustard seed" size ((no need to have more than that, and rare to have that much without unbelief hindering big time))

in another way, it's increased from 10% to 30%.

OR, switching examples:

in china, in africa, healing has been a daily part of life for ekklesia.  expected and enjoyed grace from Yahweh in Yahshua.

a missionary to china recently returned from there and reported 

that unbelievers, pagan chinese, see the dead raised up ((just to physical life again))

after a week in the morgue/ hospital more often than believers do 

simply because there's so many more unbelievers ((with 'faith' in something else)).

but in the usa, it is rare.  not unheard of , but rare.

why ? 

Jesus said why.  

also, instead of faith in Jesus, 'unbelief' may be dis-belief or belief in something else.

faith in something else, taking the place of Jesus. "instead of" Jesus.

this is most common TODAY.

 

i see; i would say that while faith is a constant, the effectiveness of faith certainly varies inversely to unbelief - the more unbelief, the less effective faith is; the less unbelief, the more effective faith is.

unbelief for me is a catch-all term to represent anything that counters belief in God's word ('faith'); whether it is belief on some false religion; symptoms of sickness 'reported' by our own bodies,  negative reports from doctors, poverty, oppression, depression, etc.; wrong teaching about God's will for us to live lives that reflect His blessing on us as reborn believers; or simply ignorance of the magnitude of blessing that Jesus bought for us - as you put it, 'faith in something else, taking the place of Jesus. "instead of" Jesus'