Hear His Voice!

[Guest truebeliever7]

Just like we were given the Holy Spirit of God it does not make us God, because His Spirit dwells in us. Jesus and God are one in Spirit as we are. Jesus Himself says He is the Son of God.

John 10:1-42

CHAPTER 10

1 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

2 "But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

3 "To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.

4 "And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice.

5 "Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers."

6 Jesus used this illustration, but they did not understand the things which He spoke to them.

7 Then Jesus said to them again, "Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.

8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.

9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

10 "The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

11 "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.

12 "But a hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them.

13 "The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep.

14 "I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own.

15 "As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.

16 "And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

17 "Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.

18 "No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father."19 Therefore there was a division again among the Jews because of these sayings.

20 And many of them said, "He has a demon and is mad. Why do you listen to Him?"

21 Others said, "These are not the words of one who has a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?"

22 Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter.

23 And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon's porch.

24 Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, "How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly."

25 Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me.

26 "But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.

27 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

28 "And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.

29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.

30 "I and My Father are one."

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him.

32 Jesus answered them, "Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?"

33 The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God."

34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, "You are gods" '?

35 "If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),

36 "do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I [b]am the Son of God'?

37 "If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me;

38 "but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him."

39 Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of their hand.

40 And He went away again beyond the Jordan to the place where John was baptizing at first, and there He stayed.

41 Then many came to Him and said, "John performed no sign, but all the things that John spoke about this Man were true."

42 And many believed in Him there.

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All authority in heaven and on earth were given to Jesus from God.

Matt 28:18

18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

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Jesus has the power of God given to Him by God;

Matt 28:18

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

(KJV)

1849 exousia (ex-oo-see'-ah);

from 1832 (in the sense of ability); privilege, i.e. (subjectively) force, capacity, competency, freedom, or (objectively) mastery (concretely, magistrate, superhuman, potentate, token of control), delegated influence:

KJV-- authority, jurisdiction, liberty, power, right, strength.

Jesus made;

Heb 2:7-9

7 You have made him a little lower than the angels; you have crowned him with glory and honor, and set him over the works of Your hands.

8 You have put all things in subjection under his feet." For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him.

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

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To deny Jesus;

Matt 10:33

33 "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.

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Jude 1:4

4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

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God bless read and believe

[JesusisGod2]

I am not sure what exactly the point you are trying to make here. Are you saying then that Jesus is not God? Just curious

[Trinity]

HEAR JESUS' OWN WORDS!

Luke 19:44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God's coming to you.

what?

[Guest Jacee]

Great scripture trinity!

[Botz]

Part of the difficulty those who do not recognize that Jesus the Messiah has truely come in the flesh is that they are unable to discern the mystery of the incarnate Word of G-d and can only fall back upon the limits of human reasoning and not even touch the Mystery of the Ages that has been revealed in these days...namely that G-d was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.

They are unable to grasp that the L-rd Jesus could be fully man and fully G-d...they wrestle with the idea that he prays to Himself when in His earthly body and cannot fathom how G-d will not leave his soul in She'ol and yet the L-rd Himself has the power to rise again.

Above all they do not understand the relationship between the Father and the Son and that from all eternity the Son fellowshipped with the Father and was not a created being akin to an angel...they do not see because they cannot recognize the Son and being wise have become foolish...and worse than that they seek to lead others into the same error that they themselves have become oblivious.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh n1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

1John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

1John 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

1John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Psa 16:10 For you will not leave my soul in She'ol, neither will you allow your holy one to see corruption.

John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

[SkilletRocksMyFace]

Well perhaps what truebeliever is suggesting is that while God dwells in His son Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ is not his own father (ie. Jesus is not literally God the father but is the son of God, thus bineg "God" made flesh..??)

That is how I understand it.

lets not be so judgemental about those who don't see things your way and lets let scripture do the talking and our words be few. Only Christ will judge when he returns.

[Guest truebeliever7]

I am not sure what exactly the point you are trying to make here. Are you saying then that Jesus is not God? Just curious

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That is exactly what I am saying and by you asking that question it tells me that the scriptures explain themselves and need any interference from my own words.

thanks

Read and believe

[Guest truebeliever7]

HEAR JESUS' OWN WORDS!

Luke 19:44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God's coming to you.

what?

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Trinity;

So by saying that Jesus is God you are saying that God was praying to Himself in the prayer below. Jesus was praying to His Father in heaven not to Himself. They are two distinct and different beings with one common goal. Thus the two being one.

John 17:1-26

CHAPTER 17

1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,

2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.

3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

4 "I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.

5 "And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

6 "I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.

7 "Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You.

8 "For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.

9 "I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours.

10 "And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them.

11 "Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.

12 "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

13 "But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves.

14 "I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

15 "I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one.

16 "They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.

18 "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.

19 "And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.

20 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;

21 "that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

22 "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:

23 "I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

24 "Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.

25 "O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me.

26 "And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."

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It doesn't get ay simpler than the above scriptures.

2 Cor 11:3

3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

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God Bless read and believe

[Ovedya]

They are two distinct and different beings with one common goal. Thus the two being one.

Please explain how and where the Bible tells us explicitly that the oneness between the Father and Son is with regard to a goal and not an essence.

Secondly, considering the fact that Jesus is described in the Bible as having existed with God before the creation of the world, with confirmation from the Old Testament prophesies and confirmation of at least three New Testament authors, explain how He could be anything other than God. We'll get to the issue of Tritheism once you have fully answered my questions. Thanks in advance.

[WayneB]

I am not sure what exactly the point you are trying to make here. Are you saying then that Jesus is not God? Just curious

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That is exactly what I am saying and by you asking that question it tells me that the scriptures explain themselves and need any interference from my own words.

thanks

Read and believe

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Wrong! We just have come to know the false lies that you have come here to spread among the brethren and those seeking. Soon and very soon we will grow weary of them and remove your influence from those who are truly seeking the Lord.

One of my favorite passages of Scripture was verbalized by the prophet Malachi 400 years before the coming of Jesus Christ as God in the flesh. The Lord spoke through His prophet and said, "'See, I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,'says the LORD Almighty." The LORD said...

You have shown yourself as not one with a desire to learn and transform into the likeness of Christ but rather one who desires to steal HIS sheep. The plug will be pulled.

Thread locked!

Be Blessed,

Wayne