n2thelight Posted February 18, 2016 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 18, 2016 27 minutes ago, MorningGlory said: No, I couldn't torture my children for even one second. I understand where you're coming from. But God's ways are not our ways and we cannot understand His reasoning. Since He is perfect, He can not do evil. And He cannot have sin in His presence. We won't know His reasoning until we stand before Him. What does the 2nd death mean to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted February 18, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 18, 2016 20 hours ago, n2thelight said: Hell is not eternal...The soul that sins shall die.. More false teaching. If Hell is not eternal then you have made God a liar. Please note carefully (Rev 20:10): And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. What else can “day and night for ever and ever" mean other than what is exactly stated? It is simply tiresome to listen to such drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted February 18, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 18, 2016 31 minutes ago, n2thelight said: What does the 2nd death mean to you? It certainly does not mean the vaporization of all those in the Lake of Fire. Please tell us what it means to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted February 18, 2016 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 18, 2016 22 minutes ago, Ezra said: It certainly does not mean the vaporization of all those in the Lake of Fire. Please tell us what it means to you. Exactly what it says, DEATH!!! And to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted February 18, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 18, 2016 12 minutes ago, n2thelight said: Exactly what it says, DEATH!!! And to you? First death = separation of soul and spirit from the body = physical death Second death = eternal separation of the sinner from God = eternal torment in the Lake of Fire (applicable to all evil spirits and sinners). And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. (Revelation 14:9-11). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted February 18, 2016 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 18, 2016 12 minutes ago, Ezra said: First death = separation of soul and spirit from the body = physical death Second death = eternal separation of the sinner from God = eternal torment in the Lake of Fire (applicable to all evil spirits and sinners). And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. (Revelation 14:9-11). Where is scripture that says the 2nd death is seperation from God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted February 18, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 18, 2016 10 hours ago, n2thelight said: Where is scripture that says the 2nd death is seperation from God? Was Hell (the Lake of Fire) created for the devil and his angels? Will they be eternally separated from God? Will those in the Lake of Fire experience the same separation and torment? Is casting into "outer darkness" separation from God? Is weeping and gnashing of teeth a sign that they are separated from God? Is eternal torment and eternal punishment separation from God? Just bring all the Scriptures together and see it for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted February 19, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 19, 2016 21 hours ago, n2thelight said: Where is scripture that says the 2nd death is seperation from God? And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Rev 20:14,15). But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Rev 21:8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted February 19, 2016 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 19, 2016 12 minutes ago, Ezra said: And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Rev 20:14,15). But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Rev 21:8) Where is the seperation,looks to say death to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted February 19, 2016 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 19, 2016 11 hours ago, Ezra said: Was Hell (the Lake of Fire) created for the devil and his angels? Will they be eternally separated from God? Will those in the Lake of Fire experience the same separation and torment? Is casting into "outer darkness" separation from God? Is weeping and gnashing of teeth a sign that they are separated from God? Is eternal torment and eternal punishment separation from God? Just bring all the Scriptures together and see it for yourself. That's where you wrong as even satan himself shall be destroyed never to be anymore Ezekiel 28:18 "Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee." Ezekiel 28:19 "All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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