pre trib rapture is fake true or false

[Prophet Cam]

The Lord's placing ash on the head of him called to repent in the church.  It's a huge blessing.  I myself have had to face the reality of my complete and undeniable foolishness without the cross on a daily basis, continuing on in our frailty is a blessed curse for all to see.  Wow these apps in Worthy are very nice!!  

 

[Montana Marv]

3 minutes ago, ENOCH2010 said:

Marv do you disagree with the Bible? It says that a number no man can number WILL COME OUT OF the tribulation.

I disagree with your interpretation of the events.  Not the Bible

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

9 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Well before. The 6th Seal is chapter 6; the 5th Trumpet is chapter 9. These events are sequential: all of the Trumpets take place after the 6th Seal Rapture.

With respect to time and sequence, the 6th Seal post-trib Rapture is much closer to the pre-trib view than most post-trib teachings.

So where is your Hell, Fire, and Brimstone sermon against the Posties.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[WilliamL]

1 minute ago, Montana Marv said:

So where is your Hell, Fire, and Brimstone sermon against the Posties.

That's your shtick, not mine.

[Montana Marv]

William

So, when the Jews are converted, what happens to them next, before all this Wrath stuff begins.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[WilliamL]

56 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

So, when the Jews are converted, what happens to them next, before all this Wrath stuff begins.

They go through the period of the Wrath of the Trumpets: the 144,000 on the earth at the beginning of Rev. 7 is them, or some of them. But as Rev. 9:4 tells us, the locust-scorpions will have no effect upon them, because they been sealed by God at the time of the Rapture.

And as Rev. 12 tells us, they and/or others will be given safety and provision in the wilderness. (Like in the Rocky Mountains.)

[Montana Marv]

14 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

They go through the period of the Wrath of the Trumpets: the 144,000 on the earth at the beginning of Rev. 7 is them, or some of them. But as Rev. 9:4 tells us, the locust-scorpions will have no effect upon them, because they been sealed by God at the time of the Rapture.

And as Rev. 12 tells us, they and/or others will be given safety and provision in the wilderness. (Like in the Rocky Mountains.)

Northern Rockies are safer. Fewer people. But must watch out for the Grizzly bears. At that time Man or Grizzles could be dinner.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[HAZARD]

14 hours ago, inchrist said:

No I'm afraid you don't know yours

Daniel 7:13-14New International Version (NIV)

13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Daniels vision has Christ coming during the 6th and 7th trumpet

 

 

After the rapture and the tribulation,

"one like a son of man,"

The Son of man, the Lord Jesus Christ, not the Ancient of days of verse 9-10, but ANOTEHR ONE, separate and distinct from Him came with the clouds of heaven (V. 13). This definitely is the second coming of Christ pictured here (Isa. 63:1-6; Zech. 14:1-5; Matt. 24:29-31; 25:31-46; 26:64; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; 2:8; Jude 14: Rev. 1:7; 11:15; 19:11-21.

"came to the Ancient of days,"

If He comes to the Ancient of days, then He is not the Ancient of days. If they bring Him (the Son of man) near before Him (the Ancient of days), then it is confirmed twice in one Scripture that these are two separate Persons each having His own personal body soul and spirit.

"He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed."

The Son of man receives dominion, glory, and a kingdom composed of natural peoples of all races that they maybe His subjects eternally. His kingdom is an everlasting dominion which shall not pass away, and His kingdom shall not be destroyed.

 

[Last Daze]

22 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

How attainable is it for one to reach a Post-Trib rapture.  Very, very, very few if any will reach it.

How can you be so sure that your imagined end-time scenario is how things will play out?  Prophecy will be fulfilled according to the will of God, not the imaginations of men.

[WilliamL]

21 hours ago, Hisvoiceinme said:

 

A. We are currently in the time before the rapture which happens during the sixth seal in Revelation 6, and Matthew 24 ... right before Jesus comes for us and the elect are gathered together “from the four winds of Heaven)”. The cosmic signs are the same in both chapters, match them up together. …

B. The Trumpets for God’s house (Joel 2:1, "Blow ye the trumpet in Zion") are not the same as the Trumpet plagues for the world in Revelation 8 (God judges us before the world, 1 Peter 4:17). The Trumpet to gather us from the four winds of heaven in Matthew 24:13 is the wrath of the lamb for the world in Revelation 6:16. It isn’t the last Trumpet plague for the world. The 144,000 are sealed after heaven is silent for about half an hour as we, God’s elect are being ushered into heaven. See Revelation 7:1-4 the four winds, the four corners of the earth, is all the same as Matthew 24. The Trumpet plagues, and bowls are for the world and 144,000…

C. Look at the tribes of the earth during the time of Christ’s return, they’re mourning in Matthew 24:30, and the kings of the earth hid themselves from the wrath of Lamb in Revelation 6:15-17. (Remember I believe the sixth seal wrath of the lamb in Revelation 6:12-17, and rapture in Matthew 24 are the same event). Jesus said “where the carcasses are the eagles will gather in Matthew 24:28, so there’s dead bodies everywhere, a horrible earthquake (Revelation 6:12), and all the tribes of the whole earth are ashamed and afraid, and some are quite irritated when the Lord returns for us. ...

D. I also want to point something out about the abomination desolation. The most Holy place is in the hearts and minds of mankind, the place where Christ is supposed to occupy. We are the temple of God, for God. The worship of the Beast is the abomination that causes desolation. He takes the most Holy place in the hearts when mankind hand over their lives to it… Renouncing all that is God, for a man-made god that accepts same sex marriage, the worship of all other gods, and all that is abominable to the living and true God. This Beast will become a menacing force on the globe, and subdue all to form an allegiance with it, or nothing.

Welcome to the understanding of 6th Seal, Post-Trib, Pre-Wrath, Mike. You outline the basics well in A, B, and C.

I do take issue in part with D, however. While, spiritually-speaking, what you write has some truth to it, Jesus in Matt. 24:15 and Gabriel in Daniel 12:11 were clearly speaking of tangible physical things to be seen with the human eye: "when you see the Abomination of Desolation standing in the Holy Place, then let the inhabitants of Jerusalem flee..." People will not at some instant suddenly see "the abomination desolation... in the hearts and minds of mankind..." -- they will see it in the real world.