question for pretribbers

[missmuffet]

36 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

Hmm bo. At least one author there is a post trib believer. 

Where? On "Got Questions?".

[ayin jade]

12 minutes ago, bopeep1909 said:

Where? On "Got Questions?".

Yes on got questions. I dont know who it is, but someone who is well trusted from worthy knows who it is.

[missmuffet]

6 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

Yes on got questions. I dont know who it is, but someone who is well trusted from worthy knows who it is.

Well this is their view. What do you think?

Question: "What are the strengths and weaknesses of the posttribulational view of the rapture (posttribulationism)?"

Answer: When considering any question involving eschatology (the study of end times), it is important to remember that almost all Christians agree on these three things:

1) There is coming a time of great tribulation such as the world has never seen,
2) After the Tribulation, Christ will return to establish His kingdom on earth,
3) There will be a Rapture—a “catching away” from mortality to immortality—for believers as described in John 14:1-3, 1 Corinthians 15:51-52, and 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. The only question regards the timing of the Rapture: when will it occur in relation to the Tribulation and the Second Coming?

There are primarily three theories about the timing of the Rapture: the belief that the Rapture will occur before the Tribulation begins (pretribulationism), the belief that the Rapture will occur at the midpoint of the Tribulation (midtribulationism), and the belief that the Rapture will occur at the end of the Tribulation (posttribulationism). This article deals specifically with the posttribulational view.

Posttribulationism teaches that the Rapture occurs at the end, or near the end, of the Tribulation. At that time, the church will meet Christ in the air and then return to earth for the commencement of Christ’s Kingdom on earth. In other words, the Rapture and Christ’s Second Coming (to set up His Kingdom) happen almost simultaneously. According to this view, the church goes through the entire seven-year Tribulation. Roman Catholicism, Greek Orthodoxy, and many Protestant denominations espouse a posttribulational view of the Rapture.

One strength of posttribulationism is that Jesus, in His extended discourse on the end times, says He will return after a “great tribulation” (Matthew 24:21, 29). Also, the book of Revelation, with all its various prophecies, mentions only one coming of the Lord—and that occurs after the Tribulation (Revelation 19-20). Passages such as Revelation 13:7 and 20:9 also lend support to posttribulationism in that there will obviously be saints in the Tribulation. Also, the resurrection of the dead in Revelation 20:5 is called “the first resurrection.” Posttribulationists assert that, since this “first” resurrection takes place after the Tribulation, the resurrection associated with the Rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 cannot occur until then.

Posttribulationists also point out that, historically, God’s people have experienced times of intense persecution and trial. Therefore, they say, it should not be surprising that the church also experiences the Great Tribulation of the end times. In relation to this, the posttribulational view distinguishes “Satan’s wrath” (or “man’s wrath”) from “God’s wrath” in the book of Revelation. Satan’s wrath is directed against the saints, and God allows it as a means of purifying His faithful. On the other hand, God’s wrath is poured out on the Antichrist and his godless kingdom, and God will protect His people from that punishment.

One weakness of posttribulationism is the clear teaching of Scripture that those who are in Christ are not under condemnation and will never experience the wrath of God (Romans 8:1). While some judgments during the Tribulation specifically target the unsaved, many other judgments, such as the earthquakes, falling stars, and famines, will affect the saved and unsaved equally. Thus, if believers go through the Tribulation, they will experience the wrath of God, in contradiction of Romans 8:1.

Posttribulationists also face a difficulty in explaining the absence of the word church in all biblical passages related to the Tribulation. Even in Revelation 4–21, the lengthiest description of the Tribulation in all of Scripture, the word church never appears. Posttribulationists must assume that the word saints in Revelation 4–21 means the church, although a different Greek word is used.

And a final weakness of the posttribulational view is shared by the other two theories: namely, the Bible does not give an explicit time line concerning future events. Scripture does not expressly teach one view over another, and that is why we have diversity of opinion concerning the end times and some variety on how the related prophecies should be harmonized.

http://www.gotquestions.org/posttribulationism.html

[The_Patriot21]

Bo, they are human they are going to have differences in beliefs, they are going to get things wrong. Just saying. :-)

[missmuffet]

1 hour ago, The_Patriot2016 said:

Bo, they are human they are going to have differences in beliefs, they are going to get things wrong. Just saying. :-)

Isn't that the problem with most of the Bible debates on Worthy? I am right but you are wrong? Alot of the Bible interpretation is skewed on Worthy. I think Got Questions is  more correct in their Christian Ministry than what I see on here.

[The_Patriot21]

1 hour ago, bopeep1909 said:

Isn't that the problem with most of the Bible debates on Worthy? I am right but you are wrong? Alot of the Bible interpretation is skewed on Worthy. I think Got Questions is  more correct in their Christian Ministry than what I see on here.

Anyone can be in error, regardless if what ministry they are in. There are people on worthy who are more biblically sound then got questions, but there are those that are way out there, I agree. That is why doing our own Bible study is more important then either one.

 

The difference is worthy, allows discussion, got questions is not a discussion site. I go to forums to discuss. If all I wanted to do is read someone's opinion then got questions is the place to go.

 

But since I actually want to discuss things, worthy is the place to go. Copy and pasting someone else's work in answer isn't discussing anything, regardless of how "accurate" it is, its just being lazy. Like what were doing now, its a discussion. In a discussion I want to discuss, I don't want to read someone else's opinion I want yours. If I wanted got questions view ID go to got questions.

[ENOCH2010]

Bopeep What does got questions say about having a packet for the left behind to read and find out what has happened

[missmuffet]

10 minutes ago, The_Patriot2016 said:

Anyone can be in error, regardless if what ministry they are in. There are people on worthy who are more biblically sound then got questions, but there are those that are way out there, I agree. That is why doing our own Bible study is more important then either one.

 

The difference is worthy, allows discussion, got questions is not a discussion site. I go to forums to discuss. If all I wanted to do is read someone's opinion then got questions is the place to go.

 

But since I actually want to discuss things, worthy is the place to go. Copy and pasting someone else's work in answer isn't discussing anything, regardless of how "accurate" it is, its just being lazy. Like what were doing now, its a discussion. In a discussion I want to discuss, I don't want to read someone else's opinion I want yours. If I wanted got questions view ID go to got questions.

The Holy Bible is not in error. If a person studies the Bible in a literal sense that is not in error. God did not make mistakes.

I want everyone to see the true word of God. How scripture is supposed to be interpreted. Not a lot of this false teaching we see. I do not consider myself lazy. If that is how you view me and my approach of copying and pasting the words from a true Biblical Christian Ministry then that is your opinion. Life is full of choices and we are given a free will.

[missmuffet]

7 minutes ago, ENOCH2010 said:

Bopeep What does got questions say about having a packet for the left behind to read and find out what has happened

As far as I can see they are silent on that. It is up to everyone's discretion.

[The_Patriot21]

3 hours ago, bopeep1909 said:

The Holy Bible is not in error. If a person studies the Bible in a literal sense that is not in error. God did not make mistakes.

I want everyone to see the true word of God. How scripture is supposed to be interpreted. Not a lot of this false teaching we see. I do not consider myself lazy. If that is how you view me and my approach of copying and pasting the words from a true Biblical Christian Ministry then that is your opinion. Life is full of choices and we are given a free will.

I never said the Bible was, I said Got questions is. You seem to be confusing "gotquestions" with being the Bible. Got questions is a site put together by man, and the articles, are written by man, and they apply scripture. the scripture is never wrong-but mans interpretation of them is, and that includes the authors of gotquestions. If your putting "gotquestions" articles up there as being the "Bible" then you need to stop using them. It is a man made site with man written articles. gotquestions is NOT the Bible, and im sure even the authors over there will tell you that.