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No one will deny that someone can be saved in an instant, that's not being debated here...

The thief for my example isn't good because he wasn't coming off the cross without divine intervention. But, here's an example. Let's say a man is going to be electricuted and says he accepted those three things you stated. 10 minutes before the switch is thrown, the govenor calls and gives him not only a stay, but a pardon due to some last minute evidence (that part is a stretch, but assume it for argument's sake).

Now, that he has been freed and never accepted Christ before going to prison and led a pretty bad life (nothing warranting a death sentence though), would he be a Christian if he said he believed those things and kept on stealing? Or, would he have to do those things that a Christian does (be baptized, live a good life, etc).

The same can be asked of the thief on the cross. IF he had gotten off the cross somehow, what would he have had to do in order to live out his cross confession?

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Munari writes...

And, since I'm a Catholic Bible Believing Christian

Eph says..

  CATHOLIC... only means "Universal"...not only the RCC Munari...

They stopped being UNIVERSAL long ago...probably around the same time the "Protestants"...stopped protesting...!

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I'll say that you would have to look to Paul and see what he says about Judaism and Christianity. Throughout his epistles, he speaks of "works of Torah" not profitting anything. So, to sum up Paul in a nutshell, I think it is safe to say that as long as a Jew keeps those traditions for tradition's sake and does not do them in order to earn salvation, or think that by doing those things in Torah they are saved, then it is ok to practice those things,

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What did Paul say about it 1 COR 5:6:7..then...??

:exclaimation:

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The RCC is still universal. We have Churches anywhere there are civilized people, and even some places where they are not civlized!

1 Cor 5:6-7? I'm sorry, I don't follow, what are you asking?

6 Your boasting is not appropriate. Do you not know that a little yeast leavens all the dough?

7 Clear out the old yeast, so that you may become a fresh batch of dough, inasmuch as you are unleavened. For our paschal lamb, Christ, has been sacrificed.

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Cool!  I've used the next verse to show that not only did the believing Jews still celebrate the feasts, but so did the Corinthian church!

v 8 "Let us therefore celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."

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Meg writes...

Jesus made it REAL EASY for us to be Christians....

- Believe that  He is Gods son

- He died for our sins

- He rose again (the resurrection)

The way to Heaven is SO EASY.......

Yet WE put all of these attachments onto it.....It ain't so :)

Remember the theif on the cross....

Eph replies...

Well we just gotta clog up the system..then we'll be the only ones smart enough to figure it all out...THEN we can tell others what they should or shouldn't think..we'll be able to say who is and isn't a Christian as long as they play by our rules that WE set up...AND then we'll really have it made in the shade...!

Till about one split second before Judgement day...!

:)

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The RCC is still universal. We have Churches anywhere there are civilized people, and even some places where they are not civlized!

1 Cor 5:6-7? I'm sorry, I don't follow, what are you asking?

6 Your boasting is not appropriate. Do you not know that a little yeast leavens all the dough?

7 Clear out the old yeast, so that you may become a fresh batch of dough, inasmuch as you are unleavened. For our paschal lamb, Christ, has been sacrificed.

Munari....IN CHRIST we no longer have to keep those traditions..or "leven"..we can cast off that old leven..because IN HIM...we are free....!

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1 Cor 11:

1 Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ.

2 I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold fast to the traditions, just as I handed them on to you.

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Paul kept the commandments of G-d.  He even took a nazarite vow.  It is right after he completed the vow he told the council that what is expected of the Gentiles is that they obstain from strangled meat, sexual immorality, and food offered to idols, and no other requirements.  I nor Paul have put a burden on anyone.  Eph, in one of your above posts you condemned putting stipulations on salvation, yet you continue to say I am not saved because of what I do, while I have yet to make any stipulations on salvation with the exception of accepting Yeshua's sacrifice.

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