Ogner Posted June 6, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 6, 2016 (edited) Matthew 27:19,20, "When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus." 20 verse: Οἱ δὲ (But or also?) ἀρχιερεῖς (the chief priests) καὶ (and) οἱ πρεσβύτεροι (elders) ἔπεισαν (persuaded) τοὺς ὄχλους (the multitude) ἵνα (that) αἰτήσωνται (ask) τὸν Βαραββᾶν (Barabbas) τὸν δὲ (contrariwise) ’Ιησοῦν (Jesus) ἀπολέσωσιν (destroy). The Greek word "δὲ" can be translated to English as: and, but, also, plus the fact, on top of, plus this way... l don't know who and why chose the word "but". Why not the word "also"? If this word is translated as "but". Somebody might get the idea that Pilate's wife to asked for Jesus. If this word is translated as "also". Somebody might get the idea that Pilate's wife to asked for Barabbas. I don't know Pilate's wife. And I don't know how thoughts run of she. How can we prove that Pilate's wife to asked for Jesus? Edited June 6, 2016 by Ogner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 6, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,174 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,446 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 6, 2016 The common sense of the passage is Pilates wife wanted no harm for Jesus.... as she saw Him in as a just man! Asking for Barabbas was in fact sending Jesus to the cross! The first rule of hermeneutics if the plain sense makes sense seek no other sense... Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted June 6, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 1 hour ago, enoob57 said: The common sense of the passage is Pilates wife wanted no harm for Jesus.... as she saw Him in as a just man! Asking for Barabbas was in fact sending Jesus to the cross! The first rule of hermeneutics if the plain sense makes sense seek no other sense... Love, Steven I don't understand why do you believe that Pilates wife wanted no harm for Jesus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 6, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,174 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,446 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Just now, Ogner said: I don't understand why do you believe that Pilates wife wanted no harm for Jesus? Do you wish to harm 'just' (as in upright and good) men? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted June 6, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 3 minutes ago, enoob57 said: Do you wish to harm 'just' (as in upright and good) men? I don't understand you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 6, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,174 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,446 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Mt 1:19 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. KJV Mt 27:19 19 When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him. KJV Mk 6:20 20 For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly. KJV Ac 10:22 22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee. KJV This is what Pilot's wife meant about Jesus saying " Have thou nothing to do with that just man:" Now back to the question I asked you do you wish to condemn just men? So the answer is she did not wish to condemn Jesus... Her asking for Barabbas was condemning Jesus to the cross... that is why the 'but' is there the Pharisees did wish to condemn Jesus to the cross... Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted June 6, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 3 minutes ago, enoob57 said: Mt 1:19 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. KJV Mt 27:19 19 When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him. KJV Mk 6:20 20 For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly. KJV Ac 10:22 22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee. KJV This is what Pilot's wife meant about Jesus saying " Have thou nothing to do with that just man:" Now back to the question I asked you do you wish to condemn just men? So the answer is she did not either wish to condemn Jesus... Her asking for Barabbas was condemning Jesus to the cross... Love, Steven I don't understand why do you believe that Pilates wife wanted no harm for Jesus and what you're asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 6, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,174 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,446 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Just now, Ogner said: I don't understand why do you believe that Pilates wife wanted no harm for Jesus and what you're asking. because she saw Jesus as a just man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted June 6, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 At what point did she send unto Pilate, saying, "Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him." ? When chief priests and elders of the people had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor, at this point did she send unto Pilate? No! But why? I mean, what'd she wait? She sent unto Pilate at this point when he said unto them, "Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?". Why did she not say to Pilate immediately, at this point when hief priests and elders of the people delivered Jesus to Pontius? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Openly Curious Posted June 6, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,568 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 770 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 6, 2016 1 hour ago, Ogner said: At what point did she send unto Pilate, saying, "Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him." ? When chief priests and elders of the people had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor, at this point did she send unto Pilate? No! But why? I mean, what'd she wait? She sent unto Pilate at this point when he said unto them, "Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?". Why did she not say to Pilate immediately, at this point when hief priests and elders of the people delivered Jesus to Pontius? Pilate was addressing the mob who wanted to crucify Jesus who was not guilty of any crimes he was an innocent man. It was at this point when Pilate was addressing the mob asking who they wanted to be released to them either Barrabas who was a known criminal or Jesus who was not guilty of any crimes. That Pilate's wife at that point sent word to him. Pilate's wife was not the one asking for the release of Barrabas but the angry mob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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