Running Gator Posted June 22, 2016 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 22, 2016 Or is it the product of American Christianity? We are told that some would be left behind, and that it would be like in the days of Noah and the days of Lot. In both the days of Noah and the days of Lot, the people left behind were the good people, not the evil doers. So, if the meeting in the sky with Jesus is the same as the days of Noah and Lot, you want to be one of those left behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted June 22, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 22, 2016 Yes, there is really a rapture. That is what the Bible tells me. The rapture of the Church before the seven year tribulation and the second coming at the end of the seven year tribulation are two different events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted June 22, 2016 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 22, 2016 26 minutes ago, bopeep1909 said: Yes, there is really a rapture. That is what the Bible tells me. The rapture of the Church before the seven year tribulation and the second coming at the end of the seven year tribulation are two different events. That is one possible interpretation of the associated passages, a very popular in our country but less so in other parts of Christendom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted June 22, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 22, 2016 3 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said: Or is it the product of American Christianity? Why would a Bible doctrine be a product of American Christianity? Evidently you need to research this for yourself from Scripture, not give heed to propaganda against a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. The Rapture is a key Christian doctrine. 3 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said: We are told that some would be left behind, and that it would be like in the days of Noah and the days of Lot. In both the days of Noah and the days of Lot, the people left behind were the good people, not the evil doers. So, if the meeting in the sky with Jesus is the same as the days of Noah and Lot, you want to be one of those left behind. "As it was in the days of Noah" is an allusion to how people will be completely oblivious to impending judgement (which is true right now). As to who is taken and who is left, Noah was "taken" out of the flood waters while within the Ark, and the evil-doers were left behind. Lot was forcibly taken out of Sodom, and the evildoers were left-behind. Enoch was translated from earth to Heaven, and he typifies the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Daze Posted June 22, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,011 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 2,519 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 22, 2016 56 minutes ago, Ezra said: Why would a Bible doctrine be a product of American Christianity? Evidently you need to research this for yourself from Scripture, not give heed to propaganda against a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. The Rapture is a key Christian doctrine. "As it was in the days of Noah" is an allusion to how people will be completely oblivious to impending judgement (which is true right now). As to who is taken and who is left, Noah was "taken" out of the flood waters while within the Ark, and the evil-doers were left behind. Lot was forcibly taken out of Sodom, and the evildoers were left-behind. Enoch was translated from earth to Heaven, and he typifies the Church. Five were foolish. They weren't prepared when they had to wait for the bridegroom a little longer than they had expected to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted June 22, 2016 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Ezra said: Why would a Bible doctrine be a product of American Christianity? Evidently you need to research this for yourself from Scripture, not give heed to propaganda against a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. The Rapture is a key Christian doctrine. "As it was in the days of Noah" is an allusion to how people will be completely oblivious to impending judgement (which is true right now). As to who is taken and who is left, Noah was "taken" out of the flood waters while within the Ark, and the evil-doers were left behind. Lot was forcibly taken out of Sodom, and the evildoers were left-behind. Enoch was translated from earth to Heaven, and he typifies the Church. The doctrine of the rapture or anything like it is fairly young as Christiny goes. There is no mention of anything like it prior to the mid 1800's in any Christian literature, going back to the first churches. This does not mean it is a false doctrine, but it is a new one, and one that has been spread almost exclusively in the West and especially in America. It is not an essential doctrine for a Christian, which is evident by the fact those that think there will be one cannot decide when it will be. We are told in the parable of the sowers that the evil ones will be gathered up and thrown into the fire, so perhaps if there is a great meeting in the sky you will not want to be a part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted June 22, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 22, 2016 3 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said: The doctrine of the rapture or anything like it is fairly young as Christiny goes. There is no mention of anything like it prior to the mid 1800's in any Christian literature, going back to the first churches. This does not mean it is a false doctrine, but it is a new one, and one that has been spread almost exclusively in the West and especially in America. It is not an essential doctrine for a Christian, which is evident by the fact those that think there will be one cannot decide when it will be. We are told in the parable of the sowers that the evil ones will be gathered up and thrown into the fire, so perhaps if there is a great meeting in the sky you will not want to be a part of it. Epharaem the Syrian said, in 373 AD, "For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted June 22, 2016 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 22, 2016 5 minutes ago, bopeep1909 said: Epharaem the Syrian said, in 373 AD, "For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins." http://www.bible.ca/rapture-pseudo-ephraem-latin-syraic-texts.htm "Pseudo-Ephraem teaches that Christians escape tribulation by death not rapture!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted June 23, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 23, 2016 6 hours ago, Last Daze said: Five were foolish. They weren't prepared when they had to wait for the bridegroom a little longer than they had expected to. That's a separate issue. The important thing is that five were wise, and in fact all can be wise if they will give heed to the Gospel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted June 23, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 23, 2016 2 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said: http://www.bible.ca/rapture-pseudo-ephraem-latin-syraic-texts.htm "Pseudo-Ephraem teaches that Christians escape tribulation by death not rapture!" Well Pseudo-Ephraem is Pseudo-Bible Truth. Let's stick with the Word of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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