Behold Posted August 20, 2016 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 7 Topic Count: 87 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,795 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 3 Joined: 07/30/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 20, 2016 12 hours ago, PatrolMan said: What happened to Lucifer? Iniquity was found in this anointed creation and He was "cast out" of Heaven. There is no redemption for him as redemption is giving to "humanity" and "creation" that is related to what is outside of Heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted August 20, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted August 20, 2016 On 19/08/2016 at 6:57 PM, TehMill said: It is a very bewitching message still. Paul is still as adamant as rock, he still says "if you will be justified by the law then you must keep ALL the law" if you fail in one then you fail in the whole. What they are saying is that the cross has not worked and is of no avail. They are holding up the cross to shame. People just do not know how serious a thing it is. If they understood that Galatians is written about them and those chapters in Hebrews which they beat everyone else with is for THEM. They are the ones who have drawn back [from the cross] they are the ones who have not held fast their first confession. YES THEY DREW BACK, YES THEY NEVER HELD FAST TO THEIR FIRST CONFESSION THATS WHY THEY LOST THEIR SALVATION ! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ETERNAL SECURITY ONCE ONE RETURNS TO SIN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehMill Posted August 20, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 281 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 206 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/29/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 20, 2016 (edited) 23 minutes ago, HAZARD said: YES THEY DREW BACK, YES THEY NEVER HELD FAST TO THEIR FIRST CONFESSION THATS WHY THEY LOST THEIR SALVATION ! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ETERNAL SECURITY ONCE ONE RETURNS TO SIN. Are you trying to tell me that you got saved by promising to keep the commandments and live righteously? don't you know even the rich young ruler promised that much? He'd have turned you away if you came to Him like that. Nah, you came confessing you was a sinner, a good fer nuthin, you said "Lord only YOU can save such a wretch as me, I can't save myself" And He did, He saved you for FREE no conditions, just because you aksed Him too. Now you are saying it was because you are holy Edited August 20, 2016 by TehMill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehMill Posted August 20, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 281 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 206 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/29/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 20, 2016 If they had lost their salvation why would Paul write to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted August 20, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted August 20, 2016 On 19/08/2016 at 6:57 PM, TehMill said: Are you trying to yell me that you got saved by promising to keep the commandments and live righteously? don't you know even the rich young ruler promised that much? He'd have turned you away if you came to Him like that. Not yelling, trying to emphasise a point. "If they had lost their salvation why would Paul write to them?" He knew Christians can fall from grace and be removed from Christ (Gal. 1:6-8; 2:21; 3:15; 4:8-11, 19; 5:4, 19-21; 6:1-8). He wrote to correct the fickle Galatians from further backsliding and following the legalizing, Judaizing teachers from Judea; and set them straight regarding the relation iof Christians on the new covenant with the Jews of the old covenant. Pauls gospel was a revelation from God (Gal. 1:11). Justification is by faith alone without works (Gal. 2:15-3:29). Christians can live victorious over sin (Gal 2:20-3:5; 5:16-26; 6:1-8). Backsliders must be reborn and return to grace (Gal.1:6-8; 2:17-21; 3:1-5, 10-12; 4:19; 5:1, 4, 7, 16:26; 6:1-8). All who go back to law-keeping are under obligation to observe the whole law or be cursed (Gal. 3:1-5, 10-12; 4:21-31; 5:1-4). To sum it all up, saved Christians can and some do fall away and be lost, therefore there is no such thing as once saved all ways saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flsnookman Posted August 20, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 216 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 165 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/19/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted August 20, 2016 Ephesians 1:13-14 13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[a] is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted August 20, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Share Posted August 20, 2016 7 minutes ago, HAZARD said: To sum it all up, saved Christians can and some do fall away and be lost, therefore there is no such thing as once saved all ways saved. Gosh-- then Jesus must not be very good at saving people~~~~~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehMill Posted August 20, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 281 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 206 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/29/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 20, 2016 (edited) @Haz To fall from grace is not to lose your salvation, that's the bit you are making up. YOU have fallen from grace but you are still saved This is the doctrine of grace...."by grace are ye saved through faith and that not of yourselves lest Hazard should boast in God's presence" It is not by works of righteousness but by His grace alone. You were saved as a SINNER, why do you suppose you will remain saved by being holy. I meant telling, not yelling Edited August 20, 2016 by TehMill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehMill Posted August 20, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 281 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 206 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/29/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, Flsnookman said: Ephesians 1:13-14 13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[a] is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. Praise God...wow look at that salvation comes with a guarantee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flsnookman Posted August 20, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 216 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 165 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/19/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted August 20, 2016 The real issue here is pride. Some can not get past it to realize that they can not save themselves. They want salvation to somehow depend on what we do or do not do instead of relying on what Jesus did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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