But The New Tolerance Goes Beyond That And Is Actually Quite Cruel

[SkyWriting]

26 minutes ago, Davida said:

Yes I can imagine. I think it's called cherry-picking sermons. I used to be that way too, but then I got convicted by the Holy Spirit and repented & got saved.

And stopped being particular about who you listened to?   That is unusual.  As I became conservative
I was always testing each preacher against the word of God to see if they were on the right track.
I am still hyper-Berean. Online search is very useful for cross checking all tenets. 

Edited November 9, 2017 by SkyWriting

[simplejeff]

7 hours ago, Davida said:

How is it then that you think homosexuality is acceptable with God?

What if I said something like this :  "My heresy is very hard earned.  Likely it will get worse.  
I am very far past main stream bible study thought. " ?

Is that Biblical or ..... abominable ?

(for new readers (who don't know yet)  ;  Yahweh's Word Says Clearly and Always: homosexuality is an abomination, as is accepting it, teaching it is okay, or in 'coddling' it in anyone who calls themself a believer. 

Yahweh says if they do not repent,  out they go.(from any fellowship in Christ Jesus) )

[MorningGlory]

13 hours ago, Sojourner414 said:

I believe "SkyWriting" has crossed the line into outright heresy, as he's now denying the legitimacy of Paul's apostleship and therefore most of the NT as well as denying core teachings  of the Gospels.

Heretical teaching is not supposed to be posted on this site.  I haven't read any more by that poster but I am surprised that  such stuff is permitted here.  On other sites I've visited it wouldn't be permitted at all, not even once.

[simplejeff]

16 hours ago, MorningGlory said:

Heretical teaching is not supposed to be posted on this site.  I haven't read any more by that poster but I am surprised that  such stuff is permitted here.  On other sites I've visited it wouldn't be permitted at all, not even once.

I would love to see any site that does not allow heretical teachings.  Can you name even one ?

The ones I have seen over the years, that have similar names to the site we are on, 

with "christian" and "forums" in their titles, are worse , far worse than here,  (thankfully there are a few true and faithful posters here)

but still also some heretical teachings and practices are here every day

and are not only permitted but defended as was the one you are now admitting is a heretic. 

Some false teachings (like rcc, for the most obvious example) continue on and on because there is no rule against them,  and the enemy is always attempting to wear down the saints with such continual and repeated and similar false doctrines and practices and posts.

[simplejeff]

17 hours ago, MorningGlory said:

Heretical teaching is not supposed to be posted on this site.  I haven't read any more by that poster but I am surprised that  such stuff is permitted here. 

Is it important that they continue posting in several threads ?  (this morning)  It is a serious disgrace, an infection to beware of.

[simplejeff]

On 9/24/2016 at 9:30 AM, FresnoJoe said:

Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, Matthew 24:12 (New International Version)

the new tolerance doesn’t simply mean that you must allow for differences among people or society without castigation or persecution. We are now required by the Orwellian definition of tolerance to positively promote such lifestyles, customs, and deviance (moral or otherwise), almost to the point of the denigration of the majority culture.

We should be tolerant of differences; indeed, we should ever be hospitable to the stranger, allow for religious differences, celebrate the fact that there is freedom of speech and of thought , traces of the formerly Christian culture. This comes from Moses and of course, Jesus and the prophets, and seeped its way into western society.

But the new tolerance goes beyond that and is actually quite cruel.

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The ironic thing about the new tolerance is that it only runs one way. Be aware that those who plead for “tolerance” for homosexuals, Islam, atheism, abortion, and pornography will prove to be so intolerable of Christians whom they will one day soon persecute without mercy.

What Say Ye?

Yes ,  quite cruel.  Quite dangerous (especially to seekers and young and weak believers) .

[FresnoJoe]

On 11/9/2017 at 7:38 AM, SkyWriting said:

And stopped being particular about who you listened to?   That is unusual.  As I became conservative
I was always testing each preacher against the word of God to see if they were on the right track.
I am still hyper-Berean. Online search is very useful for cross checking all tenets. 

Hyper

Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. Romans 1:32 (New International Version)

Berean

There is a way that men think is right, and its ways are the ways of death. Proverbs 14:12 (Aramaic Bible in Plain English)

~

Love, Your Brother Joe

[FresnoJoe]

7 hours ago, Davida said:

Joe, could this new tolerance also bleed into tolerance of misusing , misapplication, Misrepresentation of the meaning of Bible scripture to mean whatever you want it to mean?  like the postmodern view that "Reality is all in your own personal perception" that an objective Reality doesn't exist , that reality is based upon objective criteria &  concrete facts. The same phony tolerance idea that teaches that there is no Absolute Truth, there is no (Holy GOD) good on one side and evil (Satan) on the other.  Whereas the Bible tells us that there is two kingdoms, the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of darkness and that repentance of our sins through the Son of God Jesus Christ is our only way to heaven not through getting along with the world.

 I can see this new tolerance making God in their own image & re-translating the Bible to sell a  Universal Spirituality  that peddles the philosophy that wants to stop Bible believing Christians from  contending for the Truth and calling that "hate" or unChrist like and marketing the idea that if  "if we just all get along and L_O_V_E  one another like JESUS said - the world will be peaceful , the Church will be unified.  The Trouble is, that this is Not what the Lord Jesus actually spoke when He taught the disciples and preached to the multitudes and it is also Not what GOD teaches us in put in His Word.  These counter Biblical thoughts will actually lead people to coming under the authority of the Anti-Christ eventually , when he comes on the world stage.

Leading

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! Isaiah 5:20-21

Into Perdition

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 Peter 2:1

~

Love, Your Brother Joe

[simplejeff]

8 hours ago, FresnoJoe said:

Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. Romans 1:32 (New International Version)

Thus the wicked become more wicked.  [Thieves, Greedy] (maybe the most common), Gays [openly perverse, subject to demons all the time,  and always opposed to all of God's Ways], Priests, Doctors, Pharmacists, Politicians, Corporations, Religions, Adulterers (favorite in a lot of groups)

8 hours ago, FresnoJoe said:

There is a way that men think is right, and its ways are the ways of death. Proverbs 14:12 (Aramaic Bible in Plain English)

Thus the blind are training the blind, guiding them, supporting them,  leading them, and they both fall into the pit.

[ytLiJC]

On 9/24/2016 at 5:30 PM, FresnoJoe said:

Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, Matthew 24:12 (New International Version)

the new tolerance doesn’t simply mean that you must allow for differences among people or society without castigation or persecution. We are now required by the Orwellian definition of tolerance to positively promote such lifestyles, customs, and deviance (moral or otherwise), almost to the point of the denigration of the majority culture.

We should be tolerant of differences; indeed, we should ever be hospitable to the stranger, allow for religious differences, celebrate the fact that there is freedom of speech and of thought , traces of the formerly Christian culture. This comes from Moses and of course, Jesus and the prophets, and seeped its way into western society.

But the new tolerance goes beyond that and is actually quite cruel.

For example, take the new toleration of Islam. When there is something toxic about a culture, an inherent flaw in it, to “tolerate it” to the point of admiringly upholding it almost as a model “religion of peace” does no service to the people in it. Our own government practiced this after 9-11-2001.

The Muslim people desperately need to be confronted as human beings with the serious flaws of their own false religion, and 9-11 was an ideal “teachable moment,” but the new tolerance made it impossible to do so on a large-scale. I believe this new non-judgmental tolerance is cruel because it is both artificial and patronizing, and in the long run hurts everyone.

Muslims are human beings too, and in spite of the teachings of Mohammed, they still have a conscience and know very well that what happened on 9-11 was an act of criminal barbarity. As human beings none of them would want that to happen to them or any people they know. But the new tolerance “runs interference” on any real soul-searching.

The rush to justify Islam, and to appease the “hurt feelings” of Muslims in America and elsewhere actually hurts Muslims, because it denies them full responsibility as moral agents. Islam and its adherents have committed 16,000 acts of terror since 9-11, but in the new tolerance, they are mere victims to be pitied—an accommodation that places them on a less-than-human scale, perhaps through fear that is we don’t appease them, they will do us even greater violence.

I have been seeing the destruction caused by this cruel, new tolerance in the area of homosexuality as well. Those who try to point out that homosexuality is a destructive, literally damning way to live, are shut down by the new tolerance as “Haters,” of the homosexual. (I am trying to break the habit of calling them “Gay.” I don’t accept the premise—they aren’t “gay” when they are really miserable; and drug, alcohol, and suicide statistics bear this out.)

But who really “hates” the homosexual, and who truly “loves ” them? Those who practice the new tolerance actually hate the homosexual by condemning them to this “lifestyle,” affirming them in that which is sterile, deadly, filthy, and which debases and kills the conscience. This kind of “acceptance” is deadly.

Those who truly love the homosexuals are the ones who tell them in the name of the Lord that God has something better for them and that they are responsible beings who must give account for this distortion of God’s prophetic institution of marriage, and that change is entirely possible and so is forgiveness.

This new toxic tolerance has even seeped into the evangelical Christian church. There are those who have been embarrassed by the teachings of Jesus and the apostles and prophets of the Bible against Sodomy. They would gain cheap points with the world for being “compassionate” as opposed to those “judgmental religious hypocrites” who dare to speak the truth in love to this generation.

This is how Christians are consistently betraying one another and their Lord by posing as the “tolerant loving Christians,” in contrast to the faithful witnesses to truth in our time.

We must fervently call this heresy out for what it is, a perversion of the biblical teaching of love, which is based on truth and a revelation of the Holy God who created us in His image. Real love isn’t humanistic “tolerance;” it is Holy and upholds the truth of God. Love hates evil and rejoices in the truth.

The ironic thing about the new tolerance is that it only runs one way. Be aware that those who plead for “tolerance” for homosexuals, Islam, atheism, abortion, and pornography will prove to be so intolerable of Christians whom they will one day soon persecute without mercy. http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=14866

 

What Say Ye?

 

the greatest mistake of world religions has been their omission to struggle against spiritual lawlessness

we all know that if something happens, then there must be some cause of it

the World and Scripture of God says spiritual lawlessness is the original and very sin, i.e. the sin of the sins, the evil of evils, the cause of the causes, the iniquity of iniquities, vanity of vanities, etc.

that is why St Paul says:

Ephesians 6:12 (AKJV) "we wrestle not against flesh and blood(i.e. not against human or other (be)souled beings), but against principalities(i.e. but against spiritual/religious systems), against powers(i.e. against spiritual powers), against the rulers(i.e. against the unsouled manifestations) of the darkness of this world(i.e. whose "seat" is mostly in this world), against spiritual wickedness in high places(i.e. against spiritual lawlessness, especially (but not only) against that which occurs in high places or that of a high degree)."

we see people doing evil, but actually it is evil doing evil through people - and it is basically a spirit developing its spiritual system(s)

so spiritual servants and religious worshipers have to struggle against evil itself which is basically unsouled and (quite) invisible to the human eyes, because humans can overcome evil only if enough of them struggle against it by practicing faith righteously

1 Corinthians 9:26 (AKJV) "I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beats the air:"

how can we know whether our condition is the perfect one if evil is (quite) invisible to our eyes and (quite) insensible/imperceptible to our senses/perceptions in general?!, for example, how can we know whether our heterosexuality is perfectly clean if we don't see whether there is an unclean spirit in our sexuality?!, but if we practice the faith righteously and thus sanctify the creature/creation properly, then the problem will thus be resolved, because we don't resolve it with what doesn't resolve it anyway

of course this means we should not accept, follow or support spiritual/religious theories or practices which are unrighteous (IOW, heresies); for example, if homosexuality is a mental deviation/disorder rather than something natural(normal), then we should not accept/support the belief/persuasion that homosexuality is something normal, but should rather profess that homosexuality is a mental deviation/disorder

also, if spiritual servants/religious worshipers somehow serve a spirit that brings homosexuality to the world, then they are thus spiritual workers of satan who bring homosexuality to the world - a very typical example of such a betrayal is spiritual servants and religious worshipers of yoga and hinduism who serve spirits such as kundalini and the cosmic vibration "AUM" - demons that affect humans with homosexuality, transsexualism, pedophilia and other suchlike things - i am very sorry but kind of obliged to say here, i saw christians also serving such spirits (ostensibly they served the Holy Spirit, but really it was the "beast" - the satanic equivalent of the Holy Spirit, known as cosmic vibration "AUM" in indic religions) - in fact, all mental deviations and disorders (including evilness/unrighteousness as a whole) are elementarily caused by evil spirits, but they could not enter the world and affect humans if there were not spiritual/religious people committing spiritual lawlessness

Romans 5:12-14 (AKJV) "by one man(also: through the generation of the unrighteous spiritual workers/servants) sin(i.e. the devil as well as the system of spiritual unrighteousness/wickedness, a.k.a. the kingdom of the evil/wicked one) entered into the world, and death(i.e. and (the spirit of) deterioration) by sin; and so death passed upon all men(i.e. and so deterioration affected many humans), for that all have sinned(i.e. because many were seized by the system of (spiritual) unrighteousness/wickedness - some as its servants, others as its victims): For until the law sin was in the world(i.e. because the "darkness" was in the universe even before the nascence of human spirituality/religiosity): but sin is not imputed when there is no law(i.e. but there is no sin where there is no spiritual unrighteousness/wickedness). Nevertheless death(i.e. deterioration) reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression(i.e. even over people that had not committed spiritual lawlessness/wickedness)"

so we should repent of spiritual lawlessness as soon as possible and go to preach to others for repentance from spiritual lawlessness, because only thus we can stop evil once and for all

Blessings