If someone asks you to pray for them.

[shanee]

5 hours ago, full goespel said:

 

If some one asks you to pray for them and you dont believe God wants them healed what do you say to them.

 

can you give me am example of what circumstance ,where someone asks you to Pray that you could  believe God  doesnt want them healed?

just wondering because on another thread you said" . Its in there to show all that Gods will is for all to be healed. " 

Edited November 27, 2016 by shanee

[walkonwater]

I trust God above any sickness,(I can't put anything above Him because He is above all things)Jesus overcame the world and that is of this world, He overcame and we overcome in Him, makes me smile sooooo big.  I also trust the testimony the angel gave the night Jesus was born, when the sky was filled with angels, yes He was testified of by angels saying Glory to God in the highest, and on earth "PEACE," "GOOD WILL" toward men.  If you can convince me that sickness is peace & good will to us then I will trust in it, I don't, I trust Jesus.  Jesus is healer, yesterday, today & tomorrow & always will be, its really amazing that He is our living God & doing a work in our day.   As far as healing being salvation it is, If only my sin is forgiven & I'm not healed how am I fully free? that means I'm still in bondage.  Satan does lie, you ever wonder what he is lying about?  its always about salvation & truth because all satan can do is lie, then he steals, he takes what is not his, we  belong to the Lord, not this world.  

Psalms 67: 1 & 2 -  God(Our Heavenly Father) be merciful unto us, and bless us, and cause His(Jesus) face to shine upon us; Selah.  That "YOUR WAY" may be known upon earth, "YOUR SAVING HEALTH" among all nations.  

Gods "way" is "saving health" & I will trust its for all nations. 

Jesus is alive & real & heals, He's savior of the whole world.   

[MorningGlory]

I will pray for anyone, anytime, anywhere.  I don't know if God will heal them or help them, that's above my pay grade.  I simply lift them up to Him and let Him make that call.  All prayer is productive whether we can see the results right away or not.  We can't know what God will decide.  Ever.  We just have to trust Him.

[JohnD]

16 hours ago, MorningGlory said:

I will pray for anyone, anytime, anywhere.  I don't know if God will heal them or help them, that's above my pay grade.  I simply lift them up to Him and let Him make that call.  All prayer is productive whether we can see the results right away or not.  We can't know what God will decide.  Ever.  We just have to trust Him.

Amen and amen!

Well said, Sister.

Very well said!

[full goespel]

I wrote this for a reason. I know how most Christians think I thought the same way for 21 years. So I understand the way the majority think. I was taught in a like manner.

I read all the posts and seen the various questions. The biggest problem I see is that eight people in here are cliaming we dont know Gods will. Its as if your thinking it would be an offence to God if we cliam we knew His will. As He is so High ansd mighty and we are so low.

God tells us we are to call no man our Father. Jesus told us to call God our father. Jesus said You are my brethern. Jeus siad we are Joint hiers with Him. THats Joint hiers not just hiers. But Joint equal. Thats the position He rasied us to. Nothing of us. If you do not know Gods heart then you really should Because God has reveled Himself through the person of His Son.

What ever Jesus does is what the Father would do if He was here. I aonly do what I see the Father do Jesus said. Paul tells us We have the MIND OF CHRIST. Looks like God is hiding nothing from us. Please dont quote me the OC text about who knows the ways of God. None of them did. But we cant cliam that becuase God says in His word,

1 Cor 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Matthew 11:25
At that time Jesus declared, "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.
John 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.

Ephesians 3:3
that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly.

So we do know God . He has reveald all things to us through the Person of Jesus. There is another one we know/have the mind of Christ.

So if God revealed Himself/His ways/His heart/ His porpous/His plan for us. Whats the secret/ There is no secret about God.

I know my wife and got to know my wife as years went by. I dont know my wife completly as she and me in general have hidden things that we would tell no one.

God is not hiding. We saw Jesus many times the bible says He healed them all. in every city He healed them all. Does that give you a clue as to the heart of God. If there are no sick in heaven is that because Gods will IS done in heaven. Gods will is NOT done on earth. If it was Jesus would not ask you to pray for it would He? I could tell you more of my wife that her Mother or Father. I know her better than they do.

God Gave us His word. His Son. His Holy Ghost. God has NO secrets and we say we dont know God. If I say I know the will of God I am called arrogant. You really think thats right?

Gods will is unchanging ? Are we all agreed? So if it Gods will in heaven for all to be whole. Its the same for the earth. Let you will be done on Earth as it IS in Heaven.

I aked these questions knowing how the majority would answer.

This is how I would deal with sickness.

DO I ask God if its His will no. Why Because I already know His will for me and you.

Child with cancer.

Cancer you get out of this girl now in Jesus name go. I havent paryed for a child with cancer yet.

I pray for a guy in my village. 28 year blood condition. 40-60 tablets a day.

Blood be whole in Jesus name. Amen. He is completly healed. I also prayed for astma to go in Jesus name Its gone. Bleeding out his back side. Body be whole in Jesus name, Healed.

Man going round the doors with magzines Medical gloves on. I see him for the first time. I see the gloves. I know he needs set free. So I get up meet him at the door. ask why the gloves. arthritis he says. I ask can I pray. Yes he says. So In Jesus name arthritis get out of him now. Ok thansk cya hes says, I see him 2 months laters no gloves. I get up to meet him and ask hows the hands. Fantastic he says, I say 100% healed. well little bit in the right had still a little sore. No probs prayed again. same deal. Pain you were told to Go in Jesus name go. I asked do you think you were healed because I prayed? He said 100%

Guy had a heart murmer from birth. Gone since two years. In a fifteen second pryer. Heart work now in jesus name. Amen. Healed.

I can give many more.

So I am not special. I only believed what I was taght By first Curry Blake at JGLM. Then Dan Mohler, Neck minitreies.

I know the heart of God. Its not what I was first taught in the old church.

Gods heart is all over the bible. Its open and He loves us so much more than we know.

I hope this will at least help a few to stop think and look to God so see if this is correct. I really cant see how its a stumbling bloke to many.

If ther are any questions Just ask. I read all the posts. And I think this covers all of them. If not just ask.

 

 

[kwikphilly]

Blessings fullgoespel

   Amen! Now you see Brother,you did not know anything about the man with gloves that came back 2 months later to share his praise report with you & praise the Lord,it is good when they do & many you just never know what became of them...do you need to,absolutely not,we simply go about our Fathers Business.....Amen!

 There is no problem with what you believe ,the problem is how you describe or explain it,perhaps what we have here is simply a language barrier,apparantley English is not your primary language & maybe something is getting lost in the translation? Please go on,share about the hundreds you pray for,lay hands on & never hear from again or that do not get Healed.....I do  & that is when I simply know that it is either one of 2 things,either they have not YET been Healed or that Healing that I/we expect with GREAT EXPECTATION is not part of Gods Plan for the Purpose of His Calling.....in other Words,yes,not according to His Will(for a time) as we all know,we are Eternal beings,& we will inevitably be PERFECT in spirit no matter what ,in Christ

   That is the difference that I can see,I believe when a person preaches or teaches as you have then a problem can result from this,what happens when you touch the person with no limbs & no new limbs grow,you blame it on their sin as the hindrance or their lack of Faith because you do not believe (by mans standards) that this person has been made perfect & in the Image of God......what does the unbeliever think when he hears your interpretation of Scripture verses? He hears a mockery ,he hears doubletalking,he sees nothing,no miracle,,,he thinks all people who claim they have the GIFT of Healing are false prophets........

   When I was in the hospital going around from room to room to spread the Good News ,I was was asked by a lady in much doubt & fear,'What happens if you are not Healed of this cancer?" What will you think ,what should I think when suddenly I hear that you died?"   I said"I AM ALREADY Healed & should I go on to be with my Lord then know that have not told you a lie,I AM HEALED & will be in my Glorious New Body,either way,I win......" She was Amazed by the reply because it was given me FOR HER.............you talk about all that were Healed & I have not one shadow of doubt that they were but know this my friend,it is NOT always Gods Will that a person Receive what you think they need to Receive,,,,,or they themselves                 With love-in Christ,Kwik