The Abomination Of Desolation

[JesusisGod2]

I don't know if you've already read these or not?

Abomination

Force and 10 Horns

In His Love,

Suzanne

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Hi Sis,

That is some great stuff on the abomination, although I only read down to Daves response to your first post, it is someting that I will definately (LORD Willing) go back to and look closely at. I also plan on looking at the ten horns you have linked to.

I also believe that their will be a literal temple in Israel where the evil one will set up the abominatin, which as has been pointed out will be in his image whatever that may be, as those who are of God are in the image of God.

Thanks and God bless,

Kevin

[Trinity]

1 John 2:22

Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist

[Trinity]

Tes i believe that to, so i going to back up your statements with scripture

I also believe that their will be a literal temple in Israel where the evil one will set up the abominatin

2 Thessalonians 2:4

He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

Matthew 24:15

[Sir W Dakotah]

I keep hearing references to the "antichrist" as though he was a particular person. John never says that and refers to them as "many". This is a SPIRIT and NOT a single individual. The AoD IS of an "antichrist spirit". The Man of Sin is of an "antichrist spirit". The Beast is of an "antichrist spirit". The False Prophet is of an "antichrist spirit". The "false prophets" of Mt. 24 are of the "antichrist spirit".

In the last days, even today, we see a vast multitude of people with the "antichrist spirit".

Dad Ernie

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I have to agree with you in part throughout the ages there have been many who were anti christ. However, a more appropriate word for this last one, would probably be BEAST. It is a man who Satan will possess completely. Read Daniel, Zechriah, Ezekiel, Isiaha, and all the others give descriptions here and there of this Beast. Daniel in particular.

[JesusisGod2]

Hi Sir W,

Welcome to the Worthy Boards!

I agree that their are many antichrist as well, but there is one in particular who is going to be the representation of lucifer as Jesus is the representation of the Father. If it would make some feel better, I will call him the evil one, either way there is a man that is going to come and will be the embodiment evil.

In the days that John wrote his epistle, they must have also refered to him as antichrist:

1 John 2:18 (New American Standard Bible)

18) Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.

John is saying here that many antichrist have appeared and yet he also says and "just as you heard antichrist is coming"

And then goes on to say even now many have appeared.

So even though many have already appeared, John still makes referance to one that is expected to yet come. "Is coming". So to call the one who is coming the antichrist, is not a wrong scriptural referance or title as far as I see it written..

If some are more comfortable calling him someone or something else, I have no problem with that though.

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings,

Please consider the following:

Matthew 11:13-14 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. 14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

Matthew 17:10-13 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? 11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. 12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. 13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

Many conclude wrongly that John the Baptist was the incarnate Elijah. Above, Jesus is saying yes that Elijah shall come and "restore all things". This will be his mission when he comes. The first time Elijah came his work was to:

Isaiah 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

John 1:23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.

To conclude from these verses that there will be a "physical return" of Elijah is absolute nonsense and here is why:

Luke 1:17 And he (JOHN THE BAPTIST) shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

If you examine the Two Witnesses, you will see that they are anointed with the "spirit and power of Elijah".

So indeed Elijah (singular) shall come and restore all things, but this cannot be the physical Elijah, but it will be the SPIRIT THAT WAS UPON JOHN THE BAPTIST that will come again in those days.

The very same thing will happen with the "antichrist SPIRIT". He has been around since the cross and in the last days, this SPIRIT shall be in great power, even the power of the Beast. This spirit will be upon the False Prophet and is currently restrained until all the Sons of God (saints) are sealed. THEN will the False Prophet receive the power to perform all sorts of miracles and deceive many.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[JesusisGod2]

So Dad, are you saying that the spirit of antichrist is omnipresent?

[Trinity]

So Dad, are you saying that the spirit of antichrist is omnipresent?

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No He is not, he is saying that there will be a spirit of the AntiChrist which is true!

1 John 4:2-3 "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world."

I believe there will be a spirit the antichrist just as much as DE, But here is were DE and my beliefs split.

I believe in the spirit of the antichrist-(The Group opposing Jesus), will bring about the Person Antichrist. I believe the spirit of the antichrist is the Person-(antichrist's) helpers like the false prophets.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

but if you say spirit of something it doesn't mean Omnipresent, angels are spirits yet not Omnipresent.

[JesusisGod2]

Hi Trinity

I believe in the spirit of the antichrist-(The Group opposing Jesus), will bring about the Person Antichrist.

I believe this as well, the reason I was asking the question is because of the comparison to the spirit of antichrist and the spirit and power of Elijah which is the Holy Spirit Who is omnipresent.

So Trinity I believe you and I are in agreement.

I believe that the antichrist is one person who recives his power from satan, however anyone who rejects Christ is an antichrist which is what John is saying, But I was just pointing out that John is mostt definately pointing to one who is coming.

But if it makes one feel better to not call the evil leader, antichrist, thats is ok with me, I'll call him the man of lawlessness or the evil one, I dont want to get stuck in a debate as to what he will be called, some will even call him god! his title is unimportant to me, what he does, is. I dont want to get stuck on what he will be called, as there are some gems to yet be discovered.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

Great verse you use here, it clearly points out that it will be a man no matter what title one wants to give him. Thanks!

but if you say spirit of something it doesn't mean Omnipresent, angels are spirits yet not Omnipresent.

I totally agree with this, the only Spirit that is omnipresent is God. All others are created, including satan and his demons.

Again the reason I pointed this out, was his comparison to Elijah who came in the power and Spirit of God, as do all who are sent by Him. Elijah was nothing without God Who is Omnipresent.

The antichrist will have people report (or perhaps even demons) to him, but he will not be all knowing, just pure evil.

God bless you brother

Kevin

[JesusisGod2]

I don't know if you've already read these or not?

Abomination

Force and 10 Horns

In His Love,

Suzanne

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Hi Sis,

I have been reading your thread on "Abomination" and find it very enlightening and well researched.

As I was reading it, God spoke to my spirit. I noticed that greed is pretty heavy in your abomination thread and as I was reading it God showed me just how much on track you are. At first I really didnt understand what you were driving at, I was asking shouldnt this thread really be called greed and the consequences of it?

But then God showed me, The abomination that antichrist or the lawless one if you will sets up is greed, greed for power, greed to be worshipped, greed to be like God and worshipped as such.

And of course his greed will be also to control the worlds economy, no one will be able to buy or sell without his mark of approval. His greed will be to control alll the wealth as well as all of the power. Power that belongs to God alone.

We see this in satans down fall:

Isaiah 14:13-15 (King James Version)

13) For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14) I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15) Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

This same greed for power and submission that the lawless one will set up in the temple, is the same abomination that satan was cast out of heaven for, greed. Greed to be like and worshipped as God. When he enters into the lawless one these will be his same goals (satan really has no creativeness does he ) which of course didnt work the first time.

Now of course being that he will not be an omnipresent spirit once he stands in the temple, he will probably set in his place an image (as Raiders has pointed out) of himself to be worshipped and will have his army enforce it.

Daniel 11:31

"And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate."

Now whether he places his image there as the abomination that makes desolate, I must admit I need a lot more study. But origionally it will be he, himself that stands in the temple and demands to be worshipped as Trinity has pointed to the scripture:

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

Well I am back to your thread on abomination.

In Jesus

Kevin