Babylon, the Harlot and the Seven Headed Beast Explained.

[Daniel 11:36]

A good post just above

However, MBG is the entire unbelieving world at the beginning of the tribulation period .... all of it, even those of the professing divides of Christianity who say they are Christians and are not along with all other false man made religions of men

The Lord's true ecclesia will have already been made immortal [Revelation 3:10; 18:4]

MBG will have a "great city" that is connected to and influencing all of the other cities of the nations with regard for commerce, trade, materialism, and cultures that have separated from the Lord

His view is comprehensive, from ancient babel ...... to MBG [Genesis 11:1-9; Psalms 2; Revelation 8:6-12; 14:8; 18]

.... and the beast and his 10 kings will destroy the "great city" in one day at the instigation of the Lord [Revelation 17:16-18]

If we are close to the time of the end today, this "great city" of the nations of the Gentiles has to be the USA .... just look around

The other great city of Revelation 11:8 is the Lord's great city of Jerusalem that has also been and is a part of MBG

At the time of the end the "great city" of the Gentiles will be suppressing and controlling the kingdom of the beast in the human little horn of Daniel's visions which will arise in the Muslim Middle East

The beast will confederate the current divides of the Muslim Middle East and he and his 10 kings will destroy the "great city" in one day [Revelation 17:16-18; 19:1-9]

This will have the effect of creating blade runner societies of the cities of the nations whose economies will collapse and chaos will abound

It is the 7th kingdom [head] of the beast that will rule for a short time and cause much destruction to all of the nations that oppose him

And the beast and his kingdom will thrive in this setting until the Lord turns on them and destroys them the battle of Armageddon in the Middle East [Ezekiel 38; 39; Joel 2:20; 3:9-21; Micah 5:5-6; Zechariah 14; Revelation 14:14-20; 16:1-16; 19:11-21]

Only Israel will survive and He will rule the earth from Jerusalem for 1000 years [Micah 4:1-3; 5; Revelation 20:4]

Five of this beast's Middle Eastern kingdoms have fallen and are now historical

He will be released from the abyss at the beginning of the coming tribulation period to rule over the Middle East again in the human little horn of Daniel's visions [Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-25; 11:36-45; 12:7; Micah 5:5-6; Matthew 24:15-16; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12; Revelation 9:11; 11:2-7; 13:1-4; 16:1-16; 19:19-21]

His 6th and 7th kingdoms are still pending, the 6th smaller, and the 7th expanded/divided with 10 other kings [Revelation 17:8-18]

The 6th smaller will be at first the little horn's kingdom located in the northern Middle East [the regional vortex of Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran]

Then his kingdom will be expanded by making alliances and by conquering those who will oppose him [Daniel 11:36-44; 12:7] to include Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia

And when he fully possesses the human little horn he will become the 8th king himself ruling over his 7th and final kingdom

The 7 "heads" of the beast are his Middle Eastern kingdoms assigned by Satan who is the "god" of this present world

The Lord will turn on this ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, and will send him to the abyss at the end of the battle of Armageddon for 1000 years so that he cannot deceive the nations that will exist in the Lord's coming millennial kingdom upon the earth [Revelation 19:11-21; 20:1-3]

Questions ..... I will respond 

 

 

 

Edited January 7, 2017 by Daniel 11:36

[Salty]

19 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

You need to really stop using that "MEN'S TRADITION" thing because everything you disagree with is MEN'S TRADITIONS. Not that it doesn't happen at times, but this seems more of a vehicle with which to silent others opinions by calling them men's traditions, and I don't do men's traditions.........I do the Holy Spirit tradition, I Hear his small still voice. You can keep using it, but I don't think anyone thinks its anything other than you saying your understandings are all right and everyone else just goes by men's traditions.

That's because there's a whole lot of doctrines of men out there which are not Biblical, just like how the scribes and Pharisees made up a whole other religion that in their Babylonian Talmud it even said to follow what the scribes said, with Holy Writ being secondary.

 

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And NO........It has nothing to do with Legs etc. or the Toes, its common sense. The Roman Empire WAS the Fourth Beast, it WAS the Kingdom that ruled over John at the time he wrote Revelation, it was THE KING in Revelation 17 that WAS ALIVE AT THE TIME John wrote Revelation......5 have Fallen, ONE IS (Rome).  Rome of course ceased being a Super Power and the Israeli people were dispersed the world over, so there could be NO BEAST until 1948.

Well, you are simply confused about that Dan.7:12 verse with the word "dominion". It's the ten kings that lose their "dominion" when Christ returns but their "lives" are preserved a little longer because of Isaiah 24:22.

Per the Dan.2 Chapter, the 4th beast piece of the statue is the legs of iron, and represents the old Roman empire. You must be playing games or you are confused, because in an earlier post you mentioned the idea of a REVIVED Roman empire for the last days. That idea is a TRADITION FROM MEN that comes from old Rome being the legs of iron of Dan.2. So don't tell me that has nothing to do with Dan.7.

It WAS... the 4th beast in John's day with the 6th beast king, I agree, so what's your problem? You've gone off on another subject instead of sticking to the Dan.7:12 topic I wrote about.

 

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Then we see the 10 Kings arise out of the Head of the Fourth Beast which tells us these are 10 NEW POWERS, that spring forth froom the Fourth Beasts Old Stomping Grounds......Europe. Then a Little Horn Arises amongst the 10 and those 10 Kings give their powers unto the Beast (Anti-Christ).

Now that truly is... a TRADITION FROM MEN! There is NO evidence of a coming ten kingdom empire from Europe, and I say that while admitting the goals of western Socialists who want a "one world government." Thing is, a "one world government" cannot be just a European thing by itself. That's why that old TRADITION taken from tenets of the Reformer's about a ten kingdom papacy is simply an OLD, OLD TRADITION of men.

The beast statue of Dan.2 is hard-linked to the subject of the ten kings of Dan.7 and Rev.17. The ten toes of the feet of part clay and part iron is this final beast system of Revelation that John was given to pass on to the seven Churches. That is common sense too, because we are told in Dan.2 the feet is what Christ smites when He comes to setup His eternal Kingdom on earth. Thus the ten toes represent those same ten kings for the end of days, and that's common sense too.

Moreover, in Rev.17 about the ten kings, it tells us they receive power "one hour" WITH the beast (beast king or little horn). That is pointing to the time of the great tribulation. The beast king, the 7th king, rules not alone, but those ten rule with him. That means more info that must be applied to Dan.7 about the ten horns and the little horn. The 3 kings that are subdued in Dan.7:24 has to mean not destroyed, but subdued in station or office, yet still in power with the beast king, because Rev.17:12 says all ten kings receive power one hour with the beast.

 

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NO........If there is more than ONE KING then the Beast Kingdom has Dominion. And no, the Beasts that had their Dominion taken away but lives prolonged were the Four Beasts spoken of prior to the Last Beast, the Little Horn. It speaks about the rest of the BEASTS with an S, the Kings are not BEASTS.........They give their power to the Beast (Anti-Christ).  WOW....Placed in the pot a 1000 years. Yes Satan is placed in the Pit, but that has nothing to do with Dan. 12 and the rest of the Beasts.

Like I said, you are confused on that.

The "dominion" IS THE IDEA OF A KINGDOM. It is the -DOM part of KING-DOM, a king and his dominion!

Furthermore, like I showed in my previous post... the subject is carried from Dan.7:8 about the ten horns and the little horn. That's how the word "beasts" is being used in that section of Dan.7. Got to rightly divide.

Dan 7:8-12
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
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The "rest of the beasts" are those ten horns, as that "beast" who's body is slain is about Satan's destruction after... the 1,000 years reign by Christ.

That "beast" IS... the "little horn" there.

This is simply another way God is showing who the beast king for the last days is actually going to be, i.e., Satan himself, because NO FLESH BORN MAN has already been judged and sentenced to perish in the lake of fire yet, not until that Great White Throne Judgement which is at the end of the Christ's future 1,000 years reign of Rev.20. Yet right here in Dan.7:10-11, we are told whoever that little horn is, his body is destroyed and given to the burning flame, which means this has to ALREADY have been judged and sentenced to perish in the lake of fire.

But no, MEN'S TRADITIONS has many like you thinking that word "beast" cannot apply to a beast king entity when you turn around in your own... words and say, "the Kings are not BEASTS.........They give their power to the Beast (Anti-Christ)"! The 7th king is a beast king and is the coming Antichrist. Or did you miss what Apostle Paul wrote in 2 Thess.2:4 that that false one is coming to sit in the temple of God and proclaim himself as God and over all that is called God? And Who is our... King? Jesus Christ, of course. Per Rev.9, who is the king in the bottomless pit that's over the locusts? It's Satan, of course. He wants to be The Christ, The King, and LORD. That was the original sin.

 

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The Statue has nothing to do with the BEAST KINGDOMS Per se, the Statue was representing all FALSE GOVERNMENTS from Daniel or NEBUCHADNEZZAR'S time on. The verses you cite only tell the story of Governments of the World or of Satan, being toppled by Jesus Christ. Just like the Statue is shown as ONE STATUE, the Beast in Revelation 13 and 17 are shown as ONE BEAST. The Statue did not per se represent every kingdom that conquered Israel, it represented Governments from fine Gold on down to Iron mixed with Clay, it was about Governments that tried to rule without God as its head. The Beasts Represent those Kingdoms that Conquered Israel, hence one is Precious Metals and Clay and the other are BEASTS.   I could care less about the TEN TOES. 

You are citing the Statue, NOT ME..........But the fact is, there is FIVE KINGDOMS THERE just like there are FIVE BEASTS counting the Little Horn. Then we have to understand via the 7 Kings in Rev. 17 that Egypt and Assyria were Beasts also. 

The Seven Kings in Rev. 17 represent the Seven Kingdoms of Beasts. The 10 Kings/Horns represent 10 Kings that give their power the the LAST BEAST. The 8th King is not a BEAST that Conquers Israel in the physical, he is a DEMON but not the DRAGON. But he is OVER the Seven. 

The Dan.2 statue has everything... to do with the beasts of Daniel. In the Dan.4 Chapter we are even shown in Nebuchadnezzar's own words how God made Neb lowly, to live like a literal BEAST in the wild! And you're gonna' try and say that word beast has no application to a king?!*!? Yeah, right.

Dan.2 is just about Jesus toppling governments and that's it????????? That's a silly statement on your part. It defines the LAST beast kingdom to be manifested on earth when Jesus comes to destroy it! That's what that Dan.2 Chapter reveals! So it has EVERYTHING to do with the idea of beast kingdoms in Dan.7, AND with the idea of beast kings too like Nebuchadnezzar!

Who was the 1st beast kingdom of Dan.7???? BABYLON with Nebuchadnezzar as beast king, of course. He was that head of gold Daniel tells him in the Dan.2 Chapter!

 

Note your statement:

"Just like the Statue is shown as ONE STATUE, the Beast in Revelation 13 and 17 are shown as ONE BEAST."

Concerning Rev.13, it's just like I said, you folks on your TRADITIONS OF MEN can't even fathom there's TWO BEASTS being described in Rev.13. You only want to recognize one beast like you've said above! Even Rev.13:11 starts of saying the "another beast"! You mean you can't even fathom what the word "another" means???

Beast Kingdoms of Dan.2 and Dan.7:
1. Babylon- "eagles wings"; head of gold
2. Medo-Persia - "like a bear"; arms and breast of silver
3. Grecia - "leopard"; belly and thighs of brass
4. Roman - "fourth beast"; legs of iron

All FOUR of those old beast kingdoms had power over Israel. But you said this:

"The Statue did not per se represent every kingdom that conquered Israel,..."

Well, yes ALL the first 4 pieces of the statue DO represent the kingdoms that had power over Israel.

Why am I even bothering to have a Bible discussion with you if you can't even stick to God's Word as written instead wanting to follow a bunch of men's TRADITIONS??? It's men's traditions that are pulling you away from recognizing the connection between the beast kingdoms of Dan.7 and the statue of Dan.2.

I see no reason to continue conversation with you, as you simply cannot even follow the Scriptures accurately enough to keep from confusion.

Edited January 8, 2017 by Salty

[Salty]

14 hours ago, HAZARD said:

Parenthetical - Mystical Babylon, (Rev. 17:1-18) Rev. 17 is the eighth parenthetical passage and is an account in some detail of Ecclesiastical Babylon, her identification, character, power, wickedness, judgment and destruction by the Antichrist and the ten kings, as well as an explanation of the beast and its seven heads and ten horns. It is clear that this passage is parenthetical because this religion is destroyed by the Antichrist and the ten kings in the middle of the Week so that the Antichrist worship may be established (Rev. 17:16-17).

Since the beast worship is during the last three and one-half years of the Week. Mystery Babylon must be destroyed at that time (Rev.13-1-18). Man destroys mystical Babylon (Rev. 17:16, 17), and God destroys literal Babylon (Rev. 18:5-8, 20).

God will put the idea into the hearts of the ten kings to give their kingdoms to the beast for the purpose of destroying Mystical Babylon (Rev. 17:14-17), while this is not true in the case of Literal Babylon.

The beast and the ten kings will rejoice over the destruction of Mystical Babylon (Rev. 17:16, 17) and they will mourn over the destruction of Literal Babylon (Rev. 18:9-19). Thus it is clear that there are two Babylon's in Rev. 16:17-18:24.

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According to many Bibles cholars and historians the great whore is identified as a great religious system, the RCC, which they claim will fulfil Rev. 17 and dominate the Antichrist for a short time during his rise over the ten kings and until the middle of the Week. Then the beast and the ten kings will destroy her (Rev. 17:9-17). Even Catholic divines admit Rev. 17 is a description of their church.

(See the writings of Cardinal Ballarmine and the French Prelat, Boussuet.) She has a name on her forehead, "Mystery Babylon The Great" (Rev. 17:5).

 

One thing is true about that above writing, it certainly is mystical.

God putting the Babylon label upon Jerusalem in a fallen worship state for the very end of this world is not a new idea. He did the same with Jerusalem when her people fells to idols long ago:

Ezek 16:2-35
2 Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,
3 And say, "Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.
4 And as for thy nativity, in the day thou wast born thy navel was not cut, neither wast thou washed in water to supple thee; thou wast not salted at all, nor swaddled at all.
5 None eye pitied thee, to do any of these unto thee, to have compassion upon thee; but thou wast cast out in the open field, to the lothing of thy person, in the day that thou wast born.
6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, 'Live'; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, 'Live'.
7 I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare.
8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread My skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest Mine.
9 Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.
10 I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.
11 I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.
12 And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.
13 Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.
14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through My comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.
15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.
16 And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.
17 Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of My gold and of My silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,
18 And tookest thy broidered garments, and coveredst them: and thou hast set Mine oil and Mine incense before them.
19 My meat also which I gave thee, fine flour, and oil, and honey, wherewith I fed thee, thou hast even set it before them for a sweet savour: and thus it was, saith the Lord GOD.
20 Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto Me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter,
21 That thou hast slain My children, and delivered them to cause them to pass through the fire for them?
22 And in all thine abominations and thy whoredoms thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, when thou wast naked and bare, and wast polluted in thy blood.
23 And it came to pass after all thy wickedness, (woe, woe unto thee! saith the Lord GOD;)
24 That thou hast also built unto thee an eminent place, and hast made thee an high place in every street.
25 Thou hast built thy high place at every head of the way, and hast made thy beauty to be abhorred, and hast opened thy feet to every one that passed by, and multiplied thy whoredoms.
26 Thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh; and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke Me to anger.
27 Behold, therefore I have stretched out My hand over thee, and have diminished thine ordinary food, and delivered thee unto the will of them that hate thee, the daughters of the Philistines, which are ashamed of thy lewd way.
28 Thou hast played the whore also with the Assyrians, because thou wast unsatiable; yea, thou hast played the harlot with them, and yet couldest not be satisfied.
29 Thou hast moreover multiplied thy fornication in the land of Canaan unto Chaldea; and yet thou wast not satisfied herewith.
30 How weak is thine heart, saith the Lord GOD, seeing thou doest all these things, the work of an imperious whorish woman;
31 In that thou buildest thine eminent place in the head of every way, and makest thine high place in every street; and hast not been as an harlot, in that thou scornest hire;
32 But as a wife that committeth adultery, which taketh strangers instead of her husband!
33 They give gifts to all whores: but thou givest thy gifts to all thy lovers, and hirest them, that they may come unto thee on every side for thy whoredom.
34 And the contrary is in thee from other women in thy whoredoms, whereas none followeth thee to commit whoredoms: and in that thou givest a reward, and no reward is given unto thee, therefore thou art contrary.
35 Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD:
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[Daniel 11:36]

My comment

 

The 4th kingdom in Daniel's visions is a future kingdom still pending

.... not ancient Rome, or a revived Roman Empire rebuilt in Europe

Daniel's vision of the human little horn and the 10 other horns is the future setting and it will be in the Middle East again just as in the past [all of the kingdoms that fell were Middle Eastern kingdoms] ..... 5 have fallen and 2 remain to be constituted at the time of the end [the 6th and 7th] .... one after the other

His vision moves from the last king of the northern Middle East [north of Israel] who was Antiochus IV ruling the northern Seleucid kingdom [the larger divide of Alexander's Asian holdings] [Daniel 11:21-35] ................. to the little horn and his 10 kings at the time of the end still pending [Daniel 11:36-45; 12:7]

This little horn will be possessed by the first beast of Revelation, Abaddon/Apollyon who is Satan's antichrist

Ancient Rome and the subsequent rulers of the Middle East are not even contained within the scope of the visions [Arabian, Mongol, Parthian, Ottoman, British]

Today's Middle East is now setting up for the little horn's kingdom .... the 6th smaller, and the 7th expanded/divided

The populations of the Muslims will constitute his kingdom

There is a breach in all of the prophetic visions from the ending of the 69th week decreed for Israel and the beginning of the 70th still pending as we speak .... there are no prophetic events upon the earth recorded in the scope between [Daniel 9:24-27]

The inset of the breaching is the Lord's dispensation of grace still on going as we speak

This time frame is coming to an end when the fullness of the Gentiles has been added to His "church"

Then He will bring the 70th week decreed for Israel, the time of Jacob's trouble [Jeremiah 30] .... the same as the coming tribulation period of His wrath and judgment upon an unbelieving world [Psalms 2; Romans 11:25-36; Revelation 3:10; 6:12-17]

 

 

[Revelation Man]

18 hours ago, HAZARD said:

Parenthetical - Mystical Babylon, (Rev. 17:1-18) Rev. 17 is the eighth parenthetical passage and is an account in some detail of Ecclesiastical Babylon, her identification, character, power, wickedness, judgment and destruction by the Antichrist and the ten kings, as well as an explanation of the beast and its seven heads and ten horns. It is clear that this passage is parenthetical because this religion is destroyed by the Antichrist and the ten kings in the middle of the Week so that the Antichrist worship may be established (Rev. 17:16-17).

Since the beast worship is during the last three and one-half years of the Week. Mystery Babylon must be destroyed at that time (Rev.13-1-18). Man destroys mystical Babylon (Rev. 17:16, 17), and God destroys literal Babylon (Rev. 18:5-8, 20).

God will put the idea into the hearts of the ten kings to give their kingdoms to the beast for the purpose of destroying Mystical Babylon (Rev. 17:14-17), while this is not true in the case of Literal Babylon.

The beast and the ten kings will rejoice over the destruction of Mystical Babylon (Rev. 17:16, 17) and they will mourn over the destruction of Literal Babylon (Rev. 18:9-19). Thus it is clear that there are two Babylon's in Rev. 16:17-18:24.

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According to many Bibles cholars and historians the great whore is identified as a great religious system, the RCC, which they claim will fulfil Rev. 17 and dominate the Antichrist for a short time during his rise over the ten kings and until the middle of the Week. Then the beast and the ten kings will destroy her (Rev. 17:9-17). Even Catholic divines admit Rev. 17 is a description of their church.

(See the writings of Cardinal Ballarmine and the French Prelat, Boussuet.) She has a name on her forehead, "Mystery Babylon The Great" (Rev. 17:5).

 

I agree with most all of that, accept you seem to peg the RCC as this prostitute/harlot, even though you say correctly, the reason for killing her of in Rev. 17:16 is to bring forth the BEAST WORSHIP. Thus, it is my determination that this Harlot is all False Religions, this Beast and his 10 Kings demand all to worship the Beast as GOD, Hence Islam must be destroyed, all forms of Buddhism, all forms of all religions must be destroyed, hence the Harlot is all Prostitute Religions.

[Revelation Man]

4 hours ago, Salty said:

Well, you are simply confused about that Dan.7:12 verse with the word "dominion". It's the ten kings that lose their "dominion" when Christ returns but their "lives" are preserved a little longer because of Isaiah 24:22.

 

You have this idea in your head and you can't get rid of it. But lets look at the Daniel 7:1-12 and see what it really says by looking at the KJV and the Holman version. Let us see who the BEASTS ARE......

Daniel’s Vision of the Four Beasts (Holman headlines it this way)

Daniel 7 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.

2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.

3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. { The 10 Horns are not part of the Fourth Beast, they arise at a later date, from the Fourth Beasts ruins or here, from his Head. The Fourth Beast IS THE POWER just like the 1st, 2nd and 3rd BEAST is the power, BUT...10 Kings arise in Europe again, and ANOTHER, Little Horn arises among them, DIFFERENT from this first (First Fourth Beast). The verse says AND it has 10 Horns, but it was a BEAST before the Horns were mentioned, then Daniel says AND......This AND transfers us 2000 years after the Fourth Beast into the future end times events of the Anti-Christ/Little Horn. }

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, (BEASTS NOT HORNS and we know the Little Horn is called a BEAST in Revelation also) they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

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Daniel 7Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

Daniel’s Vision of the Four Beasts

7 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel had a dream with visions in his mind as he was lying in his bed. He wrote down the dream, and here is the summary[a] of his account. 2 Daniel said, “In my vision at night I was watching, and suddenly the four winds of heaven stirred up the great sea. 3 Four huge beasts came up from the sea, each different from the other.

4 “The first was like a lion but had eagle’s wings. I continued watching until its wings were torn off. It was lifted up from the ground, set on its feet like a man, and given a human mind.

5 “Suddenly, another beast appeared, a second one, that looked like a bear. It was raised up on one side, with three ribs in its mouth between its teeth. It was told, ‘Get up! Gorge yourself on flesh.’

6 “While I was watching, another beast appeared. It was like a leopard with four wings of a bird on its back. It had four heads and was given authority to rule.

7 “While I was watching in the night visions, a fourth beast appeared, frightening and dreadful, and incredibly strong, with large iron teeth. It devoured and crushed, and it trampled with its feet whatever was left. It was different from all the beasts before it, and it had 10 horns......................{ Everyone knows that Rome is the Fourth Beast, and it had ONE KING it never was 10 Kingdoms that came together to form ONE KINGDOM. }

8 “While I was considering the horns, suddenly another horn, a little one, came up among them, and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. There were eyes in this horn like a man’s, and it had a mouth that spoke arrogantly.

The Ancient of Days and the Son of Man

9 “As I kept watching, thrones were set in place,
and the Ancient of Days took His seat.
His clothing was white like snow,
and the hair of His head like whitest wool.
His throne was flaming fire;
its wheels were blazing fire.
10 A river of fire was flowing,
coming out from His presence.
Thousands upon thousands served Him;
ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.
The court was convened,
and the books were opened.

11 “I watched, then, because of the sound of the arrogant words the horn was speaking. As I continued watching, the beast was killed and its body destroyed and given over to the burning fire. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, their authority to rule was removed, but an extension of life was granted to them for a certain period of time. 13 I continued watching in the night visions,

Clearly it says BEASTS not Horns were given an EXTENSION OF LIFE..........But the Beast at the end was killed and cast into the Fire. This has nothing to do with the 10 Kings, who no doubt were Killed when Jesus came back also, this is showing how THIS BEAST is destroyed, and Jesus comes to rule, but when the OTHER BEASTS (Four Beasts) lose their Dominion, they YET LIVE for a while. 

[Revelation Man]

5 hours ago, Salty said:

Per the Dan.2 Chapter, the 4th beast piece of the statue is the legs of iron, and represents the old Roman empire. You must be playing games or you are confused, because in an earlier post you mentioned the idea of a REVIVED Roman empire for the last days. That idea is a TRADITION FROM MEN that comes from old Rome being the legs of iron of Dan.2. So don't tell me that has nothing to do with Dan.7.

It WAS... the 4th beast in John's day with the 6th beast king, I agree, so what's your problem? You've gone off on another subject instead of sticking to the Dan.7:12 topic I wrote about.

Again, the Idol and the Beast Kingdoms are the same but have a different meaning. The one is showing Kingdoms that conquered Gods People(s), and the other is showing Kingdoms and their status who do not acknowledge God as God. Like I said, Rome being "revived" has nothing to do with Daniel 2, it has everything to do with Daniel chapters 7 and 8. You misconception of WHO THE BEASTS are throws you off kilter. The 10 Kings are basically nothing but lackeys. Three are destroyed, and no doubt the other 7 get the message.

 

5 hours ago, Salty said:

Now that truly is... a TRADITION FROM MEN! There is NO evidence of a coming ten kingdom empire from Europe, and I say that while admitting the goals of western Socialists who want a "one world government." Thing is, a "one world government" cannot be just a European thing by itself. That's why that old TRADITION taken from tenets of the Reformer's about a ten kingdom papacy is simply an OLD, OLD TRADITION of men.

 

Sure there is, I have a blog that explains why the Anti-Christ has to be born in Greece and comes to power vie the European Union. 

http://mrrondonmon.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-birthplace-of-anti-christ.html

You must remember, the Church will be removed. The One World Gov. . if there is such a thing, will be much easier to bring together once the Church is Raptured. There is going to be chaos and much of the world will be in disarray, the Beast will gain power and trust by his IDEAS and via PEACE, he will save the worlds finances, and thus will be given these powers by consensus. But he will have a base of 10 Kings that give him their powers, that arise out of Europe.

5 hours ago, Salty said:

The beast statue of Dan.2 is hard-linked to the subject of the ten kings of Dan.7 and Rev.17. The ten toes of the feet of part clay and part iron is this final beast system of Revelation that John was given to pass on to the seven Churches. That is common sense too, because we are told in Dan.2 the feet is what Christ smites when He comes to setup His eternal Kingdom on earth. Thus the ten toes represent those same ten kings for the end of days, and that's common sense too.

Moreover, in Rev.17 about the ten kings, it tells us they receive power "one hour" WITH the beast (beast king or little horn). That is pointing to the time of the great tribulation. The beast king, the 7th king, rules not alone, but those ten rule with him. That means more info that must be applied to Dan.7 about the ten horns and the little horn. The 3 kings that are subdued in Dan.7:24 has to mean not destroyed, but subdued in station or office, yet still in power with the beast king, because Rev.17:12 says all ten kings receive power one hour with the beast.

I am not saying they are not the same Kingdoms, I am saying the picture of the two tell different stories. The Precious Metals tells the stories of Kingdoms that are powerful, but leave God out of the equation, thus they have clay feet which gives them a crumbling base, or NO JESUS for a Foundation. 

The Beast Kingdom tells of another aspect of these Kingdoms, they not only do not recognize God, but they come against his Holy people to try and destroy them, because the hear SATAN'S VOICE, they hate Gods people and their ways. This is what a BEAST means. A Nation that makes war against God and His people(s) be they Israel or Christians. 

 

5 hours ago, Salty said:

Like I said, you are confused on that.

The "dominion" IS THE IDEA OF A KINGDOM. It is the -DOM part of KING-DOM, a king and his dominion!

Furthermore, like I showed in my previous post... the subject is carried from Dan.7:8 about the ten horns and the little horn. That's how the word "beasts" is being used in that section of Dan.7. Got to rightly divide.

Dan 7:8-12

I have explained this above already, no use rehashing.....

6 hours ago, Salty said:

The Dan.2 statue has everything... to do with the beasts of Daniel. In the Dan.4 Chapter we are even shown in Nebuchadnezzar's own words how God made Neb lowly, to live like a literal BEAST in the wild! And you're gonna' try and say that word beast has no application to a king?!*!? Yeah, right.

Dan.2 is just about Jesus toppling governments and that's it????????? That's a silly statement on your part. It defines the LAST beast kingdom to be manifested on earth when Jesus comes to destroy it! That's what that Dan.2 Chapter reveals! So it has EVERYTHING to do with the idea of beast kingdoms in Dan.7, AND with the idea of beast kings too like Nebuchadnezzar!

Who was the 1st beast kingdom of Dan.7???? BABYLON with Nebuchadnezzar as beast king, of course. He was that head of gold Daniel tells him in the Dan.2 Chapter!

The word used for BEAST means Animal in the Hebrew, and we know Nebuchadnezzar was made like unto a WILD ANIMAL, this reference to Beast has nothing to do with the FOUR BEASTS..... It just means he became as a wild animal for a period of time.

 

6 hours ago, Salty said:

Note your statement:

"Just like the Statue is shown as ONE STATUE, the Beast in Revelation 13 and 17 are shown as ONE BEAST."

Concerning Rev.13, it's just like I said, you folks on your TRADITIONS OF MEN can't even fathom there's TWO BEASTS being described in Rev.13. You only want to recognize one beast like you've said above! Even Rev.13:11 starts of saying the "another beast"! You mean you can't even fathom what the word "another" means???

Again you just do not comprehend things very well. Like I stated above. Daniel 2 and Daniel say are the SAME KINGDOMS but mean DIFFERENT THINGS......

[Revelation Man]

5 hours ago, Salty said:

One thing is true about that above writing, it certainly is mystical.

God putting the Babylon label upon Jerusalem in a fallen worship state for the very end of this world is not a new idea. He did the same with Jerusalem when her people fells to idols long ago:

Jerusalem is not Babylon.

[Revelation Man]

2 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

The 4th kingdom in Daniel's visions is a future kingdom still pending

.... not ancient Rome, or a revived Roman Empire rebuilt in Europe

Daniel's vision of the human little horn and the 10 other horns is the future setting and it will be in the Middle East again just as in the past [all of the kingdoms that fell were Middle Eastern kingdoms] ..... 5 have fallen and 2 remain to be constituted at the time of the end [the 6th and 7th] .... one after the other

His vision moves from the last king of the northern Middle East [north of Israel] who was Antiochus IV ruling the northern Seleucid kingdom [the larger divide of Alexander's Asian holdings] [Daniel 11:21-35] ................. to the little horn and his 10 kings at the time of the end still pending [Daniel 11:36-45; 12:7]

This little horn will be possessed by the first beast of Revelation, Abaddon/Apollyon who is Satan's antichrist

Ancient Rome and the subsequent rulers of the Middle East are not even contained within the scope of the visions [Arabian, Mongol, Parthian, Ottoman, British]

Today's Middle East is now setting up for the little horn's kingdom .... the 6th smaller, and the 7th expanded/divided

The populations of the Muslims will constitute his kingdom

There is a breach in all of the prophetic visions from the ending of the 69th week decreed for Israel and the beginning of the 70th still pending as we speak .... there are no prophetic events upon the earth recorded in the scope between [Daniel 9:24-27]

The inset of the breaching is the Lord's dispensation of grace still on going as we speak

This time frame is coming to an end when the fullness of the Gentiles has been added to His "church"

Then He will bring the 70th week decreed for Israel, the time of Jacob's trouble [Jeremiah 30] .... the same as the coming tribulation period of His wrath and judgment upon an unbelieving world [Psalms 2; Romans 11:25-36; Revelation 3:10; 6:12-17]

 

The Fourth Beast was Rome, the 10 Kings and the Little Horn are the LAST BEAST that arises from the FOURTH BEASTS RUINS. The Arabs will have nothing to do with the Little Horn and 10 Kings. It really amuses me that anyone thinks  An Islamic Kingdom will have any power at all. You could put all of them together, and they are nothing but a pipsqueak on a mole. Islam will be DESTROYED by the BEAST.

[Daniel 11:36]

"The Fourth Beast was Rome, the 10 Kings and the Little Horn are the LAST BEAST that arises from the FOURTH BEASTS RUINS. The Arabs will have nothing to do with the Little Horn and 10 Kings. It really amuses me that anyone thinks  An Islamic Kingdom will have any power at all. You could put all of them together, and they are nothing but a pipsqueak on a mole. Islam will be DESTROYED by the BEAST."

 

It is obvious to me that you don't know what you are talking about ... the prophetic scriptures have scope and the definitions presented reflect the age old conflict between Issac and Ishmael, Israel and the Muslims, still on going today

Islamic terrorism is not on only a threat to Israel, but to the entire world .... where do you live?

The coming "antichrist" is called the "Assyrian" in prophetic scripture [Micah 5:5-6] and this one will arise in the Muslim Middle East .... no human invention of warfare will be able to stop this satanic entity [Revelation 13:1-4] .... it is Satan who will bestow supernatural powers to his beast 

And just for fun you give the forum the scriptures that tell of Islam's destruction "by the beast" .... I want to see what you think you have

 

 

Edited January 8, 2017 by Daniel 11:36