Babylon, the Harlot and the Seven Headed Beast Explained.

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2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

You have this idea in your head and you can't get rid of it. But lets look at the Daniel 7:1-12 and see what it really says by looking at the KJV and the Holman version. Let us see who the BEASTS ARE......

Daniel’s Vision of the Four Beasts (Holman headlines it this way)

Daniel 7 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.

2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.

3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. { The 10 Horns are not part of the Fourth Beast, they arise at a later date, from the Fourth Beasts ruins or here, from his Head. The Fourth Beast IS THE POWER just like the 1st, 2nd and 3rd BEAST is the power, BUT...10 Kings arise in Europe again, and ANOTHER, Little Horn arises among them, DIFFERENT from this first (First Fourth Beast). The verse says AND it has 10 Horns, but it was a BEAST before the Horns were mentioned, then Daniel says AND......This AND transfers us 2000 years after the Fourth Beast into the future end times events of the Anti-Christ/Little Horn. }

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, (BEASTS NOT HORNS and we know the Little Horn is called a BEAST in Revelation also) they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

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Daniel 7Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

Daniel’s Vision of the Four Beasts

7 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel had a dream with visions in his mind as he was lying in his bed. He wrote down the dream, and here is the summary[a] of his account. 2 Daniel said, “In my vision at night I was watching, and suddenly the four winds of heaven stirred up the great sea. 3 Four huge beasts came up from the sea, each different from the other.

4 “The first was like a lion but had eagle’s wings. I continued watching until its wings were torn off. It was lifted up from the ground, set on its feet like a man, and given a human mind.

5 “Suddenly, another beast appeared, a second one, that looked like a bear. It was raised up on one side, with three ribs in its mouth between its teeth. It was told, ‘Get up! Gorge yourself on flesh.’

6 “While I was watching, another beast appeared. It was like a leopard with four wings of a bird on its back. It had four heads and was given authority to rule.

7 “While I was watching in the night visions, a fourth beast appeared, frightening and dreadful, and incredibly strong, with large iron teeth. It devoured and crushed, and it trampled with its feet whatever was left. It was different from all the beasts before it, and it had 10 horns......................{ Everyone knows that Rome is the Fourth Beast, and it had ONE KING it never was 10 Kingdoms that came together to form ONE KINGDOM. }

8 “While I was considering the horns, suddenly another horn, a little one, came up among them, and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. There were eyes in this horn like a man’s, and it had a mouth that spoke arrogantly.

The Ancient of Days and the Son of Man

9 “As I kept watching, thrones were set in place,
and the Ancient of Days took His seat.
His clothing was white like snow,
and the hair of His head like whitest wool.
His throne was flaming fire;
its wheels were blazing fire.
10 A river of fire was flowing,
coming out from His presence.
Thousands upon thousands served Him;
ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.
The court was convened,
and the books were opened.

11 “I watched, then, because of the sound of the arrogant words the horn was speaking. As I continued watching, the beast was killed and its body destroyed and given over to the burning fire. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, their authority to rule was removed, but an extension of life was granted to them for a certain period of time. 13 I continued watching in the night visions,

Clearly it says BEASTS not Horns were given an EXTENSION OF LIFE..........But the Beast at the end was killed and cast into the Fire. This has nothing to do with the 10 Kings, who no doubt were Killed when Jesus came back also, this is showing how THIS BEAST is destroyed, and Jesus comes to rule, but when the OTHER BEASTS (Four Beasts) lose their Dominion, they YET LIVE for a while. 

I'm not the one confused on that. Even the Holman version reveals what I've said with, "their authority to rule was removed", because who in that is given authority to rule? The beast kings are given that authority to rule, not the kingdoms themselves; a kingdom doesn't rule, a king does. This is emphatically shown in the Rev.17 Scripture about those beasts, i.e., the ten kings...

Rev 17:12
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
KJV

 

 

[Daniel 11:36]

Satan's beast in the human little horn will come up among the 10, overthrow 3, and replace them with his choosing

He will then confederate the 10 into his Middle Eastern kingdom at the time of the end ..... the 4th kingdom of Daniel's visions from the prophet's perspective going forward .... the beast's 7th kingdom at the time of the end still pending

This beast rules 7 Middle Eastern kingdoms for Satan ..... 5 have fallen [Magog's post flood kingdom, Assyrian, neo-Babylonian, Persian, northern Seleucid]

The 6th and 7th are coming, one after the other [Revelation 17:8-18]

 

Edited January 8, 2017 by Daniel 11:36

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2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Again, the Idol and the Beast Kingdoms are the same but have a different meaning. The one is showing Kingdoms that conquered Gods People(s), and the other is showing Kingdoms and their status who do not acknowledge God as God. Like I said, Rome being "revived" has nothing to do with Daniel 2, it has everything to do with Daniel chapters 7 and 8. You misconception of WHO THE BEASTS are throws you off kilter. The 10 Kings are basically nothing but lackeys. Three are destroyed, and no doubt the other 7 get the message.

I see you are starting... to have to admit the connection between the statue of Dan.2 and the four beasts of Dan.7 now, no doubt because I proved their connection with my list of the historical beast kingdoms in relation to that statue in Dan.2.

God's Message about all the five pieces of the statue being together when Christ (the "stone") comes to smite it on its feet is given TWICE in Dan.2, that's an emphasis that gives us more information on the makeup of the final beast kingdom. So Dan.2 is very... relevant to the events given in Dan.7, and settles the question of the 4th beast of Dan.7.

Dan.2 shows the feet of part iron and part clay, and the Roman empire was the legs of iron, so there IS... a connection of the old pagan Roman empire being 'revived' for the end (but it's not a pope nor the RCC which is an old tradition from the Reformers).

Rev.17:12 proves three of the ten kings are NOT destroyed, but only 'subdued' like Dan.7:24 shows ("subdue" = Hebrew shephal which can also mean 'abase, or humble').

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Salty said:

I'm not the one confused on that. Even the Holman version reveals what I've said with, "their authority to rule was removed", because who in that is given authority to rule? The beast kings are given that authority to rule, not the kingdoms themselves; a kingdom doesn't rule, a king does. This is emphatically shown in the Rev.17 Scripture about those beasts, i.e., the ten kings...

Rev 17:12
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
KJV

Yes, you are wrong, the book of Daniel CLEARLY says the BEASTS Lives were PROLONGED, now you can say it means he Horns, but it says the BEASTS LIVES WERE PROLONGED.  Rev. 17:2 means nothing via Daniel chapter 7. There is but ONE BEAST in Revelation 17 and it is the Man of Sin/Little Horn. He is the BEAST in Daniel that is cast into hell. The Subject in Daniel 7 is THE FOUR BEASTS !! So when the BEAST is cast into Hell, the OTHER BEASTS are the ones spoken of as BEASTS in this chapter. That is elementary. 

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13 minutes ago, Salty said:

I see you are starting... to have to admit the connection between the statue of Dan.2 and the four beasts of Dan.7 now, no doubt because I proved their connection with my list of the historical beast kingdoms in relation to that statue in Dan.2.

 

No, you were just confused earlier about what I was saying. Daniel 2 and Daniel 7 are about different subjects. One is about the Kingdoms qualities and strengths. The other is about the Kingdoms POWER and MIGHT as pertaining to Israel. This is the same thing I stated before. I always knew exactly what they were. My statement was that DANIEL 2 has nothing to do with my thinking on who the BEASTS ARE..........And it doesn't, because the BEASTS and the STATUE is about two totally different things.

17 minutes ago, Salty said:

God's Message about all the five pieces of the statue being together when Christ (the "stone") comes to smite it on its feet is given TWICE in Dan.2, that's an emphasis that gives us more information on the makeup of the final beast kingdom. So Dan.2 is very... relevant to the events given in Dan.7, and settles the question of the 4th beast of Dan.7.

 

All five Kingdoms WILL NOT BE ALIVE per se. All Five represent WORLD GOV. The Statue being destroyed represents God destroying mans efforts to RULE without God at the head. 

 

19 minutes ago, Salty said:

Dan.2 shows the feet of part iron and part clay, and the Roman empire was the legs of iron, so there IS... a connection of the old pagan Roman empire being 'revived' for the end (but it's not a pope nor the RCC which is an old tradition from the Reformers).

Rev.17:12 proves three of the ten kings are NOT destroyed, but only 'subdued' like Dan.7:24 shows ("subdue" = Hebrew shephal which can also mean 'abase, or humble').

Like I said, I don't pay much attention to Daniel 2, it has nothing to do with the Beast Kingdoms per se, even though they are one and the same, the stories are different. Ones about Kingdoms and their worthiness. One is about their Destructive power over Israel.

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2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Sure there is, I have a blog that explains why the Anti-Christ has to be born in Greece and comes to power vie the European Union. 

http://mrrondonmon.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-birthplace-of-anti-christ.html

You must remember, the Church will be removed. The One World Gov. . if there is such a thing, will be much easier to bring together once the Church is Raptured. There is going to be chaos and much of the world will be in disarray, the Beast will gain power and trust by his IDEAS and via PEACE, he will save the worlds finances, and thus will be given these powers by consensus. But he will have a base of 10 Kings that give him their powers, that arise out of Europe.

No thanks on your blog. I've seen enough of those kind of attempts... to prove a ten kingdom European power when the EU today has how many nations joined in it now?? Something like TWENTY EIGHT nations! That totally... dumps any ten-nation, ten king theories about Europe! You might want to check what the investigative journalist Jerome Corsi discovered a few years ago about a shadow group of globalists in the U.S. trying to institute an American Union like the E.U. It's called something like the North American Security and Prosperity Partnership. Corsi showed how there already are department admins working on it behind the scenes. You also might want to read up on some material from Foreign Affairs magazine, since the Council On Foreign Relations has had the one world government goal for many decades.

Christ Church is not going anywhere. We are appointed to go through the tribulation time which is NOT the time of God's Wrath. Jesus made the timing of His coming and gathering of the Church plain enough in Matt.24:29-31, and Paul did the same in 2 Thess.2. You apparently are following one greatest false TRADITIONS that has so far been created by men, i.e., the false Pre-tribulational Rapture theory begun by John Nelson Darby in 1830's Great Britain. For over 1,800 years the Christian Church held to a Post-trib coming of Christ and gathering of the Church. Then the Edward Irving church began to teach a pre-trib idea which Darby took and ran with, which Cyrus Scofield also took and ran with in the U.S.

Ground zero for the coming one world government system, which is the 1st beast kingdom of Rev.13:1-2, will be JERUSALEM. The coming Antichrist/pseudo-Christ will be a Jew, and will be established on a throne as king over all nations, mimicking Christ and His kingdom to come (Matt.24:23-26; 2 Thess.2:4; Rev.9:11; Rev.11:7; Rev.12:7-17; Rev.13:11; Rev.17:8-12).

 

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2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I am not saying they are not the same Kingdoms, I am saying the picture of the two tell different stories. The Precious Metals tells the stories of Kingdoms that are powerful, but leave God out of the equation, thus they have clay feet which gives them a crumbling base, or NO JESUS for a Foundation. 

The Beast Kingdom tells of another aspect of these Kingdoms, they not only do not recognize God, but they come against his Holy people to try and destroy them, because the hear SATAN'S VOICE, they hate Gods people and their ways. This is what a BEAST means. A Nation that makes war against God and His people(s) be they Israel or Christians.

The emphasis of the Dan.2 statue is giving us HOW the final beast kingdom is going to manifest in the last days just prior to Christ's coming to destroy it. That is its MAIN Message there, because that point is given TWICE in that Dan.2 chapter showing all five pieces of the statue being 'together'. So what's that mean, as you have yet to even consider it?

It means... ALL of those old beast kingdoms will be manifest again (not necessarily exactly as before), with the feet in power over all of it. The mind picture is of how it will be very shaky and ready to fall, especially since the heaviest metals are on top with the feet being of part iron and clay which doesn't mix. So there's a whole lot more info there than what even scholarly commentaries have been known to give. The end result of it all is pointing to a one-world government of revived pagan systems with a weak joining between East and West. And that means the ten king's power is spread over the whole earth over all nations with ten 'global' regional kingdoms, with Antichrist at the top over it in Jerusalem. To include the idea of 3 kings being 'subdued', it could possibly then look like this:

Antichrist king at Jerusalem
3 kings over 3 earthly Unions (E.U., American Union, Asia-Pacific Union)
7 kings over 10 global regions of the whole earth

A Tri-lateral world divided up into 3 sections is what the globalist group Tri-Lateral Commission has been working on for decades.

The 1960's ex-KGB defector to the U.S., Golitsyn, said the long range Russian Communist goal was a one-Socialist Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals (see New Lies For Old - 1984).
 

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

The word used for BEAST means Animal in the Hebrew, and we know Nebuchadnezzar was made like unto a WILD ANIMAL, this reference to Beast has nothing to do with the FOUR BEASTS..... It just means he became as a wild animal for a period of time.

 

Again you just do not comprehend things very well. Like I stated above. Daniel 2 and Daniel say are the SAME KINGDOMS but mean DIFFERENT THINGS......

God causing old Neb to live in the wild like an animal has nothing to do with the 'beast' metaphor in God's Word?? How can you make such a crazy statement?!? That's the kind of statement one makes when they leave the Truth just so they can try to be in the right; and it's inexcusable.

2 Pet.2:12 and Jude 10 gave us the best Biblical description of the word 'beast' applied to men. You might want to brush up on that.

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3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Jerusalem is not Babylon.

Saying that right in face of the Ezekiel 16 descriptions makes you look foolish. Revelation is not... speaking of geographical Babylon of history, for that has been destroyed long ago. It's speaking metaphorically, JUST LIKE GOD DID IN THE EZEKIEL 16 CHAPTER ABOUT JERUSALEM.

Isa 1:10
10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.
KJV

Jer 23:14
14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
KJV

 

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51 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Yes, you are wrong, the book of Daniel CLEARLY says the BEASTS Lives were PROLONGED, now you can say it means he Horns, but it says the BEASTS LIVES WERE PROLONGED.  Rev. 17:2 means nothing via Daniel chapter 7. There is but ONE BEAST in Revelation 17 and it is the Man of Sin/Little Horn. He is the BEAST in Daniel that is cast into hell. The Subject in Daniel 7 is THE FOUR BEASTS !! So when the BEAST is cast into Hell, the OTHER BEASTS are the ones spoken of as BEASTS in this chapter. That is elementary. 

And the word "lives" normally apply to who? To living things, like... people. A kingdom doesn't live, it exists.

The kings of Isaiah 24:22 have their lives preserved in the prison pit and are visited later (after the 1,000 years of Rev.20), and that's the Scripture Dan.7:12 is pointing to.

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46 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

No, you were just confused earlier about what I was saying. Daniel 2 and Daniel 7 are about different subjects. One is about the Kingdoms qualities and strengths. The other is about the Kingdoms POWER and MIGHT as pertaining to Israel. This is the same thing I stated before. I always knew exactly what they were. My statement was that DANIEL 2 has nothing to do with my thinking on who the BEASTS ARE..........And it doesn't, because the BEASTS and the STATUE is about two totally different things.

All five Kingdoms WILL NOT BE ALIVE per se. All Five represent WORLD GOV. The Statue being destroyed represents God destroying mans efforts to RULE without God at the head. 

Actually, it's you that is having to concede about the Dan.2 descriptions related to the final beast kingdom of Dan.7. The info between them cannot be separated, as we were to understand the makeup of the final beast kingdom as shown there in Dan.2 first.

And that final beast kingdom IS... of all... of those 5 pieces being together when Christ comes to smite its feet:

Dan 2:34-35
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
KJV

So either you cannot read nor count, or you are just... (Blank).