Babylon, the Harlot and the Seven Headed Beast Explained.

[Salty]

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Notice, the Anti-Christ/Man/Little Horn is cast straight into hell as soon as he is defeated, BUT....As per the other Beasts, their lives were prolonged even after their dominion was taken away, MEANING....Babylon was still a place that Alexander the Great lived in up until his death, Persia is still around (Iran) as is Greece, and Rome/Italy, they are just not BEAST POWERS....Hence their lives were prolonged for a Season and a Time, but the Beast was killed and sent to the Burning Flame !! Does Revelation match up with this?

You forget that the ten horns (ten kings) that are to reign "one hour" with the beast (i.e., beast king), as per Rev.17. That's who those other beasts are:

Isa 24:20-23
20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before His ancients gloriously.
KJV

 

Look again. I know it's a tradition to think the beasts of Dan.7:12 is about those previously mentioned kingdoms of the first part of Dan.7, but it's actually about the ten horns that reign with the little horn, it's their lives that will be preserved along with the dragon in his pit prison throughout Christ's 1,000 years reign. At the end of the 1,000 years when Satan is loosed one final time is when those beasts (ten horns) will be "visited" as per Isaiah 24:22.

Dan 7:8-12
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

When this 9th verse happens, it's all over, the reign of the little horn with his ten horns is finished. Christ takes over ALL dominions on earth as per Rev.11 at the 7th Trumpet. Those dominions mentioned in the first part of Dan.7 are never reigned by Christ's enemies again after this verse.

 

10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

If you're going to say this above verse is about the destruction of the dragon, then it would be after the 1,000 years reign by Christ. But if speaking of the beast king role Satan will play, that role is destroyed at Christ's coming.

 

12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
KJV

This above verse is a view of what happens to those ten horns. They are locked in the pit prison with Satan for the 1,000 years, and then after that they will be "visited" as per Isaiah 24.

 

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. { It MATCHES perfectly brother } ... The Beast and False Prophet are cast straight into hell. 

Rev.19:20 says nothing of the Antichrist, yet we know that's just a title for the coming false one who will work great signs and wonders to deceive the whole world, like Jesus taught, and Paul taught.

The roles of the false prophet and the beast, are what goes into the "lake of fire" at Christ's 2nd coming. That is what Rev.19:20 is showing. It left out the dragon which was previously... given along with the beast and false prophet in Rev.16:13, because the dragon is a direct link to Satan himself who is not destroyed yet when Jesus comes.

So I don't know what point you are arguing on that, but think you're simply confused by men's traditions on who the Antichrist is.

The Antichrist, the false prophet, the another beast, pseudo-Christ, they are all ROLES the devil is coming to play on earth, in the sight of men. Satan is that "dragon" of Rev.13 which says the whole world will worship.

 

[Salty]

OK, here's how men's traditions get the idea of assigning the "false prophet" to the 2nd beast of Rev.13 even though there's no mention of the "false prophet" in Rev.13:

Rev 16:12-14
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
KJV

Notice that 14th verse that says those 3 come "working miracles".

So all three are to work miracles:
"dragon"
"the beast"
"the false prophet"

In Rev.13, the only one coming to work miracles on earth in the sight of men is the 2nd beast, i.e., the "another beast":

Rev 13:11-14
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
KJV

That verse 12 shows us the kingdom of ten horns, ten crowns, and seven heads is that "first beast" which had the "deadly wound". This 2nd beast is the 'beast king' idea of Dan.7 and Rev.17:8-11.

So what man's tradition did was to start assigning that Rev.16:13 "false prophet" ROLE to this 2nd beast of Rev.13 which is the beast king role because he exercises all the power of the 1st beast (kingdom) before him.

So what is this "another beast" of Rev.13? Is it the "false prophet"? Yes, because the false prophet works those "miracles", this "another beast" works those "miracles", but so does "the beast" of Rev.16:13 also work these "miracles" which is pointing to the idea of a 'beast king' from Dan.7.

There are the ideas of a beast king, and then a beast kingdom given in Dan.7. In Revelation study, one must rightly divide that, because often only the word "beast" is given by itself.

So were men's traditions correct by saying the "false prophet" of Rev.16:13 and this "another beast" of Rev.13:11 are the same person? Yes and no. It is OK in the sense that "the false prophet" is just a ROLE that this "another beast" also plays. But it is NOT OK to simply remove the idea of this "another beast" being a beast king which is what role it is pointing to from the Dan.7 examples. One can just as easily assign the idea of "little horn" from Dan.7 to this "another beast" also. The idea of the "dragon" (Satan) is already linked to it, so that's done for us already. What about the Antichrist title, could that be assigned to this "another beast" also? Yes, definitely, since that's who is to come working great signs and wonders to deceive the whole world.

It all boils down to being just ONE person who comes to do all those things, and that warrants all those titles. It is Satan himself, the dragon of Rev.12:9 and 20:2.

But what men's traditions instead try to do, is push that "false prophet" title onto that "another beast" while dumping any other idea that Rev.13 Scripture points to, and that is not how to rightly divide God's Word in understanding like Paul said to do.

 

Edited January 6, 2017 by Salty

[Salty]

Here's another example of how Revelation uses titles:

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

That word "beast", is it about a kingdom beast, or a beast king, since that's the Dan.7 pattern for the word beast?

Well, it takes some thinking about what's given in that Rev.11 Chapter and other parts of God's Word. It mentions a temple that the Gentiles tread for 42 months, and those who worship inside it, and that 8th verse points directly to Jerusalem being where those two witnesses are killed with their dead bodies left in the street. So already just with that we have a setting.

So who would that be pointing to in that time in Jerusalem? In 2 Thess.2 Apostle Paul warned about a false one coming to sit in the temple and work great signs and lying wonders, and proclaim himself as God and over all that is called God or that is worshiped. The beast to fit that would be the 2nd beast of Rev.13:11 forward, the "another beast" that comes with two horns 'like' a lamb, but speaks as a dragon, and works miracles in the sight of men.

But how does that "ascendeth out of the bottomless pit" fit? Where is that coming from? It's coming from both the idea of a beast king from Dan.7 (and thus Rev.13:11-13), and Rev.17:8-11:

Rev 17:8-12
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

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10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
KJV

In all of those references to the "beast" in those verses, it is always about the 'beast king' idea from the Book of Daniel. The label of "little horn" is especially used in Dan.7 for the beast king idea, that's who comes up among the other ten horns (ten kings) to rule over them.

Except for that verse 10 reference of the past beast kings of history, the rest of this is all pointing directly to Satan himself as the beast that was and is not, and that shall... ascend out of the bottomless pit, and eventually will go into perdition (i.e., destruction into the lake of fire).

Thus Rev.11:7 is pointing directly to Satan himself ascending from the bottomless pit, meaning being booted out of the heavenly dimension to be sent here on earth, in our dimension, in the sight of men. Now if the Scriptures had only said the beast without that idea of his ascending up out of the bottomless pit, we could easily say Satan will simply influence some flesh man to do those things. But that's not how the Scripture declares his coming.

 

[HAZARD]

10 hours ago, Salty said:

I'll continue to believe what God's Word is showing us as written, and not what men traditions try to pass off as being God's Word.

 

So let's point far away from Jerusalem now when Revelation 11:8 and Revelation 17 & 18 is pointing directly to Jerusalem in the last days?

What in the world is the beast doing in Jerusalem ascending from the bottomless pit to kill God's two witnesses per Rev.11:7-8?

 

Jerusalem is not Babylon. The Antichrist will set himself up to reign in Jerusalem and call himself god.

[Daniel 11:36]

Correct just above

Jerusalem is not the "great city" of MBG

Jerusalem is the Lord's city [Revelation 11:8]

The "great city" of Revelation 14:8; 18:1-21 is the core city of the nations of the Gentiles

 

 

Edited January 6, 2017 by Daniel 11:36

[Just a Mirror]

On 12/9/2016 at 1:03 PM, Revelation Man said:

I will explain what the Lord has shown me recently, I blogged a blog 8 months ago and in the blog I stated that Rev. 17:18 was speaking of Rome,(from my perspective) within 2 months God had Revealed to me who Babylon was, who the Beast is and who the Harlot is. My opinion is my opinion, I never allow it to supersede God's revelation, in other words I do not hold on to the pride of my opinion. If you want to know who the Harlot, Beast and Babylon is read on.

To start with it is not a City, it is not Rome, Babylon proper, Jerusalem, NYC, it is not the RCC, Mecca or America. HINT: The Harlot and Babylon are two different entities. There is also NO MYSTERY BABYLON, I do not understand why we continue to say this, the Angel in 17:7 says this: Rev. 17: 7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel ? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

Since the Angel says I will explain the Mystery of the woman (Harlot) and the beast she rides (Seven Headed Beast) why do we insist that it is still a Mystery and why do we not understand that in Rev. 17:8-18 the Angel explains the Mystery to us ? Why do we miss what is in plain site ? Mystery (Musterion) in the Greek means Secret by Gods Silence, once God reveals the Secret/Mystery, it is no longer a Mystery.

The Seven Headed Beast is explained by the Angel first, many people say it sits on 7 hills, when the passage has nothing to do with hills or location, it is speaking of Seven Rulers who arise, we understand this because in the very next verse it speaks about the Seven Kings. So she sits on Seven Mountains which = Seven Rulers just like the Seven Heads = Seven Kingdoms. Then the Angel says Five have fallen, ONE IS, and one is YET TO COME. This is where we have to use our intelligence a wee bit. Who are these Kings ? Well we see in Rev. 13 when this Seven Headed Beast is described that the Beasts of Daniel are included, the Lion (Babylon) Bear (Persia) and Leopard (Greece) along with Rome of course as the fierce Beast/Dragon. So we are searching for the other three heads, who can they possibly be ? What is the commonality of the Beasts/Heads that are mentioned ? They each Conquered, Enslaved or Ruled Israel, that is what made them a "BEAST", so we need to go through history and find the other three common Beasts/Heads. Well lets see, after a little thought we should get this fairly easily, Egypt and Assyria Conquered/Enslaved Israel, and the Anti-Christ and his 10 Kings will according to prophecy Conquer Israel (Abomination of Desolation). So lets add this up, and see what the Angel has revealed to us.

Five Kings have fallen (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Greece) ONE IS (Rome of course was Ruling Israel when John wrote Revelation) and one is YET TO COME (The Anti-Christ and his 10 Kings). We understand the Beast with Seven Heads now. This is why the USSR, China, the United States and even the British Empire or Ottoman Empire can not be a Beast or one of the Seven Heads, they never Conquered Israel, while Israel/PEOPLE were in the land. The Brits ruled Palestine as did the Ottoman Empire, but God dispersed Israel all over the World, this was why Ezekiel prophesied that Israel would be as "Dead Men's Bones" but we know those dead men's bones came Alive again in 1948, so after Rome, and up until 1948, there could be no Beast, because there was no Israel in the land. The Seven Headed Beast is revealed. 

Now what does the Angel say about the Harlot/Woman ? Well firstly it says the Water she sat on is Peoples, Nations, Tongues and Multitudes. So right off the bat we understand she is Worldwide. A key is in Rev. 17:16 the Kings in league with the Beast destroy her, but why after all these years of being co-mingled together do they burn her and destroy her ? Because she is ALL FALSE RELIGION, and the Anti-Christ right after the Abomination of Desolation will demand to be Worshiped as the ONLY GOD !! The Anti-Christ will come after Israel, who flees to the Wilderness where God protects them for 1260 days (Rev. 12), he then comes after Christians who became Christians after the Rapture to Behead them, and he will destroy Islam, Buddhism and all Religions. He demands worship as the ONLY GOD !! Remember, the Harlot is Judged, this is a Chapter that Judges her. False Religion has the blood of the Saints AND the Martyrs on its hands.

Ever wonder why the Harlot is HATED by the Kings but when Babylon is destroyed the Kings Cry and Lament her demise ? Because they are TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES !! Babylon is False Government and the Harlot is False Religion. People then say "but what about Rev. 17:18" that verse calls her a city ? Well the Angel was only reminding John what he SAW, and the vision was what ? A woman with four things imprinted on her head, MYSTERY, Babylon the Great, Abominations of the Earth and Mother of Harlots. The Angel just reminded John that she was BABYLON the Mother of FALSE RELIGIONS. Not a City, but a MEMORY which is repulsive to God the Father. Proof of this is in Rev. 16.  

There really is no Rev. 17 and 18, Rev. 16 comes right before Rev. 19. Rev. 17 is only the Harlot {False Religion} being destroyed and that happens in Rev. 6 and 7, and Rev. 18 is only Babylon or the Last Beast Head of the Seven Headed Beast coming against Israel, getting the plagues of God rained down on them via the Trumpets and the Vials of God. Rev. 17 and 18 are just an enhanced retelling of things already told, thus in Rev. 16 we are told, IT IS DONE !! 

In Rev. 16 the 6th Vial gathers the Nations against Israel (Anti-Christ/10 Kings which is Europe and the Kings of the East) and we know who meets them at Meggido don't we ? Jesus our Lord. After he lands on the Mt. of Olives (Zechariah 14) and splits it into (Earthquake). Rev. 16 tells it like this:

Rev. 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. 17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. (IT IS DONE !! No Rev. 17 or Rev. 18 exists per se.)

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts (Earthquake splits Jerusalem), and the cities of the nations fell: (BABYLON) and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. 

So we see here that BABYLON is only a MEMORY, God sees the Nations that come against Israel as BABYLON, and gives them the fierceness of his wrath. Of course Jesus lands on the Mt. of Olives and destroys those Nations that come against Israel, that is their demise. God Judges False Religion or the Harlot in Rev 17:16, she is no more after this. This happens when the Anti-Christ places an Image of himself in the Temple and demands all to Worship him, at the MID-WAY POINT or in Rev. 6 and 7.

Babylon is destroyed by Gods plagues, Babylon is the Nations that come against Israel (the World) and God destroys her with His Plagues, which are the Seals/Trumpets and Vials. Babylons commerce is no doubt destroyed, that is what plagues do. Babylon is the habitation of Devils, Satan has been cast to earth and Apollyon and his horde of demons have been released from the pit in Rev. 9. The BOTTOM LINE IS :

The Harlot is FALSE RELIGION

Babylon is FALSE GOVERNMENT that tries to destroy Gods people, come after His authority, and deny His Godhead. It is not a City, it represents all that God sees as EVIL.
 

Very good, only thing I can add is that the Catholic Church Leaders will transform the church into a new religion through the false prophet. it will not resemble the catholic church you see today. It will still be called Catholic by definition, but will have a new God at its head.

[HAZARD]

20 minutes ago, Just a Mirror said:

Very good, only thing I can add is that the Catholic Church Leaders will transform the church into a new religion through the false prophet. it will not resemble the catholic church you see today. It will still be called Catholic by definition, but will have a new God at its head.

That's for sure, from the Pope, a man, to the Antichrist, "Another man !"

Rev. 13:17-18, And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

V. 18, Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a MAN;  and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

[Daniel 11:36]

Briefly ....

Abaddon's number is 666, and so will be the number of the human little horn of Daniel's visions that this beast will inhabit

This number is a symbolic composite identifying Satan, Abaddon, and the human little horn .... Satan's "antichrist" is Abaddon possessing and inhabiting the human little horn

This one will arise in the northern Middle East as a Muslim Caliph

The number is already being displayed on the head and arm bands and signature flags of radical Islamic terrorists in the Middle East

You can find information on the Internet from Walid Shoebat, a former Muslim terrorist now a Christian

I will also say that the RCC will not be at the center of a Pope led end time organization

In fact, this "church" are now and will be victims of the Islamic insurgency  

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 6, 2017 by Daniel 11:36

[Just a Mirror]

1 hour ago, HAZARD said:

That's for sure, from the Pope, a man, to the Antichrist, "Another man !"

Rev. 13:17-18, And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

V. 18, Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a MAN;  and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

You know what people forget or dont even know?

That the pope of rome gives the final nod for kings and presidents, read about the emperors of rome, where they started, what positions they held. Interestingly enough, The King of Germany or King of Bohemia was the stepping stone for becoming Emperor of Rome. But if you were King of Bohemia, the standing pope was the one person who signed off on the appointment.

Soo, as you can see, the pope has served historically as a King maker, a signatory, much more than just a religious figure. taking that into consideration, what if the pope decides to claim HIMSELF as Emperor of the World?

Thats what will most likely happen, just watch.

[HAZARD]

25 minutes ago, Just a Mirror said:

You know what people forget or dont even know?

That the pope of rome gives the final nod for kings and presidents, read about the emperors of rome, where they started, what positions they held. Interestingly enough, The King of Germany or King of Bohemia was the stepping stone for becoming Emperor of Rome. But if you were King of Bohemia, the standing pope was the one person who signed off on the appointment.

Soo, as you can see, the pope has served historically as a King maker, a signatory, much more than just a religious figure. taking that into consideration, what if the pope decides to claim HIMSELF as Emperor of the World?

Thats what will most likely happen, just watch.

I knew that and totally agree.