Obama Ignores Evidence That the Russians Didn't Hack the DNC

[Steve_S]

1 hour ago, shiloh357 said:

This isn't about punishing the Russians.  The Russians had nothing to do with our election; it is about trying to sabotage the country before Trump gets in.   In spite of all of this Russia isn't going to retaliate.

Russia knows what a lot of others know, including Israel, that they just have to wait obama out. The administration knows they know this and I would be shocked if it wasn't irksome. They are probably gonna do a lot more between now and the 20th and there are no absolute guarantees that trump will be favorable to israel in the long term or that he will be able to hammer out some sort of reconciliation with russia. I do know this, though, there is nothing the current administration can really do to affect any of that in the future once they are out of office. Their biggest would-be sledgehammer, the media, is something trump doesn't care about and neither do his supporters.

The democrats are defending 25 seats in 2018 and 10 of those are winnable. Having protracted floor fights against trump over the very policies that he ran on is not going to endear his constituency to the democratic candidates in the 10 states that he won in which they have to defend seats. Schumer is no fool and he's not the ideologue harry reid is. I would be mildly shocked if he didn't come to the table on some things.

[Steve_S]

5 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

Haven't we been down this road once already? 

Absolutely, but it is still fair to point it out. If he is a fence, so are all the others we get news from, which makes them all lack credibility.

[Steve_S]

5 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

A fence receives stolen goods and redistributes them to legitimate sources.  That is exactly what Assange and Wikileaks does. 

Also what the new york times, washington post, cbs, nbc, etc. etc. etc. have done on numerous occasions.

[Running Gator]

3 minutes ago, Steve_S said:

Absolutely, but it is still fair to point it out. If he is a fence, so are all the others we get news from, which makes them all lack credibility.

Yep, and the guy that jaywalks broke the law just like the guy that killed someone, so both are law breakers and should be viewed the same...

[Running Gator]

2 minutes ago, Steve_S said:

Also what the new york times, washington post, cbs, nbc, etc. etc. etc. have done on numerous occasions.

They do not redistribute, they publish them. 

[Steve_S]

1 minute ago, Out of the Shadows said:

They do not redistribute, they publish them. 

Publishing is redistribution if you receive it from the original source. It's not like when the washington posts reports information from someone like snowden, who stole that information directly from the NSA illegally, that others don't pick it up and distribute it. Also, wikileaks publishes it directly on their website, just like the others.

 

2 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

Yep, and the guy that jaywalks broke the law just like the guy that killed someone, so both are law breakers and have no credibility. 

I don't view this as a reasonable comparison. You are saying that fencing all the time versus fencing less the time are equal to jaywalking versus murder. I don't believe this is an accurate representation. It would be more akin to saying that a guy who steals 7 cars a week is a lot different than a guy who steals two cars a week. At the end of the day they are both still car theifs, are they not?

[Running Gator]

Just now, Steve_S said:

I don't view this as a reasonable comparison. You are saying that fencing all the time versus fencing less the time are equal to jaywalking versus murder. I don't believe this is an accurate representation. It would be more akin to saying that a guy who steals 7 cars a week is a lot different than a guy who steals two cars a week. At the end of the day they are both still car theifs, are they not?

A better comparison would be the guy that steals 7 cars a week as compared to the guy that took his buddies car to the grocery store without asking.  Technically both are still car thieves but most people would not view them equally. 

[Steve_S]

1 minute ago, Out of the Shadows said:

A better comparison would be the guy that steals 7 cars a week as compared to the guy that took his buddies car to the grocery store without asking.  Technically both are still car thieves but most people would not view them equally. 

How is that the same. Both are receiving the information knowing it is stolen? Both know it is illegal for the person doing it to be giving it to them. It is the exact, exact same offense. There is absolutely no difference at all in the offense, just in the frequency of it.

[Running Gator]

Just now, Steve_S said:

How is that the same. Both are receiving the information knowing it is stolen? Both know it is illegal for the person doing it to be giving it to them. It is the exact, exact same offense. There is absolutely no difference at all in the offense, just in the frequency of it.

The guy that takes his buddies car without asking knows that it is illegal to do so, so there is absolutely no difference at all in the offense than the guy that steals cars every day, just in the frequency of it.

[Steve_S]

2 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

The guy that takes his buddies car without asking knows that it is illegal to do so, so there is absolutely no difference at all in the offense than the guy that steals cars every day, just in the frequency of it.

Okay, so then wikileaks is comparable to just taking their friends car to the grocery store often, without permission, while the mainstream media is guilty of just doing it occasionally. It being the same offense requires there to be a direct equivalency drawn in the offense, intellectually speaking, just not the frequency. Otherwise, it's all irrelevant and nobody is a fence, car thief, jaywalker, or murderer.