TheMatrixHasU71 Posted February 28, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 28, 2017 2 hours ago, eileenhat said: There is quite a few articles (countless stories) about how God speaks to people. https://www.faithcomesbyhearing.com/news/blog-post/what-language-does-god-speak quote: "In Eurasia a Bible translator was reading a translation of Mark 12 to a group of teachers when she thought she heard someone laughing. Was something wrong with the text? Were listeners mocking the use of their own language? Then she realized they weren’t laughing, they were crying! Looking up, she saw a school principal with his head bowed, a pool of tears on the desk in front of him. In his own language, he’d heard Jesus commend a poor widow for giving everything she had to God, and he felt deeply touched and challenged. In Senegal, an Oniyan-speaking pastor experienced a new sense of communion with God as he learned to pray in his own language. He’d always prayed in French, the language of his pastoral training. As he helped translate the Gospel of Mark, he began to realize he could express biblical truths in Oniyan, and he developed the vocabulary he needed to pray in the language of his heart. He found that things he could never express in French, he could freely share with God in his own language." Just putting more context out there. People hear God in their own language and "heart". It is only recently that scientist have learned that the Heart is made up of neurons, like the brain. People are literally 'hearing' Gid in their hearts. So, 'a heavenly' heart language. No one knows, anything about the language God used in the Garden of Eden....or pre babel, for that matter. Can post articles about all that too. That story is not about speaking in tongues however. We all should hear God in our hearts. That is not a "heart" language, that is God speaking to us in our own language. And that Senegalese pastor, that too doesn't count, as he was still using languages he was well familiar with. And yes I agree that no one knows what the pre-babel language or the language spoken in the Garden of Eden was. We can all make educated guesses. Most believe it to be Hebrew. Some think it might be English. As English is the only language that is an amalgamation of all other languages. Think of it this way too. If English was the universal language pre-babel, now that it has had over 5000 years to reorganize itself it is once again the universal language of a (global) babel. Either way, whatever the Edenic or pre-babel languages were, they were most certainly earthly languages. There is not one hint that there was or is some otherworldly tongue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_S Posted March 1, 2017 Group: Servant Followers: 25 Topic Count: 275 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 5,208 Content Per Day: 1.00 Reputation: 1,893 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted March 1, 2017 On 2/27/2017 at 6:26 PM, Heavenunlimited said: Have you ever learned what show respect is and reading the bible and act on it is? This is getting very close to crossing the getting personal line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aramirez7 Posted March 1, 2017 Group: Members Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 1, 2017 Knowing their name helps to cast them out . Remember they do not want to be identified. I too know this demon of addiction. And many other that manifest under the skin. Its worse at Night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted March 1, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,136 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,817 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 1, 2017 Blessings HeavenUnlimited I read you comment about being "Bible Only" .... Quote On 2/22/2017 at 1:09 PM, TheMatrixHasU71 said: Only Jesus Christ can bind demons and cast them out. We cant. Only God has any real power over demons. Remember the bible says RESIST the devil and he shall flee from you. It doesn't say FIGHT or CAST OUT. RESIST. The gift of casting out demons, as is understood in the bible, doesn't exist today. Only Jesus, His apostles, and maybe a few others had that gift. But that too is one of the sign gifts that disappeared with the end of the apostolic era. We cast out demons today by preaching the gospel to the person (if that person was actually possessed), or by praying over them for God to cast out demons. All you can do is ask Christ to do it. Be careful too when some spirit who calls Himself Jesus tells you the name of a demon. WE DONT KNOW their names, save for the obvious one. Sorry but I guarantee that wasn't Jesus you heard from. Even in the bible, Jesus never told people their names. They aren't necessary to know, anyway, in order to cast them out. There is a good reason for this. To study things like the names of angels and demons could lead us down unnecessarily and possibly dangerous spiritual paths that we have no place being on. I am glad you repented. I am glad you renounced your sin. But one thing you must do also is ask the Lord every day for strength not to slip up. And even if you do, don't punish yourself for it. Being saved means being forgiven, not perfect. Waiiiiiit to prejudge, until you KNOW ask questions, know, then, you can judge correctly. Youre at least half way wrong in your tracks. yes, only God can throw a demon out. But no, Jesus said that the followers should throw demons out, speak in tounges, thread on scorpions, take up snakes, raise the dead. Now, I dont believe as some do that we should seek up snakes and scorpions lol but, in case, they are there, naturally. Thats how I understand it. So no, I do not believe in cessassion or what its called. I.e. That the gifts ceased. My life is completely far from that in that I in my walk with God, God through me threw demonds out, healed the sick even czlled two people back from coma. So, Ive experienced that on my own body, in my life, so how does the gifts ended fit with THAT? You tell me? Ive never been to a "charismatic" church my whole life, all this Ive experienced my self only in a dead church! A lutheran dead church I say dead yes because it was. So the one with Im supporting charismatic no I dont I support those with God no more no less. Im a bible only person. I HE say it, it is. And He did. He never said it ceased. Show me the scriptures it ceased and explain my experiences. many christians, including priests in the catholic church like diseased brother father malachi used rhe names of the demons, inThe lords name. Same did brother John Todd a illuminati deflector. He named them all. And many other christians say you have to get to the ROOT, to get the proper deliverance. Avd the root is, knowing the name, knowing, who you deal with! Yes Jesus name yes agree but the other gets them out too WITH the name of The lord. Explain why so many other christians use the names, and go to the root? Even the catholic church? We know the names as the catholic church got revealed names and deflectors too, turning christian. jow do you explain something left me and never came back? Here you are talking about never having been to a charismatic church but ten you go on to say what some RC priests do,John Todd(probably read about on internet?) "Deflectors""Deliverance Ministers" etc..... how is listening to what some PEOPLE are doing "Bible Only"? I went on to read more of what you said you saw done on "YouTube"....... Do you not understand that "Exorcisms" are a "tradition" ,a ritual practiced by the rcc? Where do you find any of this kind of thing in the Scriptures? You don't.....I stopped reading after 2 or 3 pages because you began arguing there are either people that believe the "gifts" have ceased or they have not......."Gifts" have nothing to do with casting out demons,though many would like to lead people to believe they themselves ha e some "special gift" to deliver....this is deception at its finest Any Spirit Filled Believer,walking in Spirit & in Truth has Power and Authority to tread on those serpents & scorpions......there is no special deliverance ministry that can only be performed by a particular person,a specialist.....POWER,people are enticed by the thought of having "power"....power is not Power without Authority to operate in it....when Jesus sent His Disciples out He gave them "Authority"......perhaps some Greek Study may be helpful? Quote Luke10:18So He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19See, I have given you authority to tread on snakes and scorpions, and over all the powerof the enemy. Nothing will harm you. 20Nevertheless, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”… Berean Study Bible The Word of God does not suggest anyone "take up" or "pick up" snakes .......but to step on,walk over them You are "treading" dangerous ground & you have been there before,you should be able to realize this......I stopped reading to address the "Bible Only" statement you made......support your claims about this 'root" you speak of with the Word of God.....support these claims of this "Deliverance ministry",or exorcism by a priest..... Conversations with demons,getting to know the "root",rituals ,processes are not in the Bible.......the enemy will most certainly put on a show for folks watching a "deliverance" .....they will scream,thrash people around to put on a good "performance" that everyone be convinced that was a "tough one!"They have successfully convinced many a man that he have POWER.......do you really think a cross or holy water has power too,in the hand of a priest? And sad to say,some priests actually believe it! Deliverance is not "performed".......a true "deliverance" occurs when the oppressed (bound) person submits all of himself to the Lord,when he leaves his baggage at the foot of the cross,when he nails it to the cross,when he casts his cares on Jesus......."casting out" is a form of deliverance as well,there is no fuss,no muss,no theatrics...the demon is bound & cast out,period.....its captive is set FREE in Christ Jesus....... You may "see" a lot of things,you may "feel" many things.....WE walk by FAITH & not by sight......FAith comes by hearing the Word of God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted March 1, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,136 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,817 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 1, 2017 Blessings Amirez WElcome to Worthy Quote Knowing their name helps to cast them out . Who gave you this information,this is not in alignment with the Word of God.....there is but one NAME we need to know,the Name above every name JESUS! And without His Authority & Holy Spirit Power it does not matter what one may think they know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted March 2, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 2, 2017 23 hours ago, kwikphilly said: Blessings HeavenUnlimited I read you comment about being "Bible Only" .... Here you are talking about never having been to a charismatic church but ten you go on to say what some RC priests do,John Todd(probably read about on internet?) "Deflectors""Deliverance Ministers" etc..... how is listening to what some PEOPLE are doing "Bible Only"? I went on to read more of what you said you saw done on "YouTube"....... Do you not understand that "Exorcisms" are a "tradition" ,a ritual practiced by the rcc? Where do you find any of this kind of thing in the Scriptures? You don't.....I stopped reading after 2 or 3 pages because you began arguing there are either people that believe the "gifts" have ceased or they have not......."Gifts" have nothing to do with casting out demons,though many would like to lead people to believe they themselves ha e some "special gift" to deliver....this is deception at its finest Any Spirit Filled Believer,walking in Spirit & in Truth has Power and Authority to tread on those serpents & scorpions......there is no special deliverance ministry that can only be performed by a particular person,a specialist.....POWER,people are enticed by the thought of having "power"....power is not Power without Authority to operate in it....when Jesus sent His Disciples out He gave them "Authority"......perhaps some Greek Study may be helpful? The Word of God does not suggest anyone "take up" or "pick up" snakes .......but to step on,walk over them You are "treading" dangerous ground & you have been there before,you should be able to realize this......I stopped reading to address the "Bible Only" statement you made......support your claims about this 'root" you speak of with the Word of God.....support these claims of this "Deliverance ministry",or exorcism by a priest..... Conversations with demons,getting to know the "root",rituals ,processes are not in the Bible.......the enemy will most certainly put on a show for folks watching a "deliverance" .....they will scream,thrash people around to put on a good "performance" that everyone be convinced that was a "tough one!"They have successfully convinced many a man that he have POWER.......do you really think a cross or holy water has power too,in the hand of a priest? And sad to say,some priests actually believe it! Deliverance is not "performed".......a true "deliverance" occurs when the oppressed (bound) person submits all of himself to the Lord,when he leaves his baggage at the foot of the cross,when he nails it to the cross,when he casts his cares on Jesus......."casting out" is a form of deliverance as well,there is no fuss,no muss,no theatrics...the demon is bound & cast out,period.....its captive is set FREE in Christ Jesus....... You may "see" a lot of things,you may "feel" many things.....WE walk by FAITH & not by sight......FAith comes by hearing the Word of God Amen to all the kwicky. Ah, I was misreading your post thinking that was directed at me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted March 3, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,136 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,817 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 3, 2017 Blessings Matrix Quote Amen to all the kwicky. Ah, I was misreading your post thinking that was directed at me. Oh good & no problem,lol I was wondering why you thought any of what I said was directed at you since I always use salutations......I actually checked to make sure I did...My hand has been pretty much out of commission so I was relieved to see you misread it Yes,we do agree on all of it,have from the start With love-in Christ,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted March 3, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,136 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,817 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 3, 2017 Blessings Eileen Quote The question that should be asked is 'what language did God teach Adam?'. Why should this question be asked?I think it would be safe to say that it is pretty irrelevent.....I'm not sure where the person from gotquestions.org is going with his interpretation that the WORD should be defined by Greek philosophy?(universal, divine reason or the mind of God.)& follow u p that John "argues" The Word of God is God Breathed through John,God tells us WHO Jesus IS......God the Son Maybe I'm a bit nit picky but it sounds to me an insidious way of insinuating that the Gospel of John is written by John trying to get his point across,isn't that what "argues" implies? Genesis is very "personal" ,,,,,This is the story where He First Loved us ,a personal ,intimate ,love story .....Father with His children ,His Love is overwhelming.....all that preparing to make every possible provision in an absolutely perfect environment for the Ones He Loved before He even created them WOW,Glory to God With love-in Christ,Kwik Anyway,I am probably way off Topic by now.....by getting into "tongues" or back into the language spok en in the GArden?!!! etc,,,,, it is only a distraction .I think we should strive to stay in the Word of God without speculation or conjecture because thats what gets people off track & into misunderstanding in the first place......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted March 4, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 4, 2017 On 01/03/2017 at 10:50 AM, Aramirez7 said: Knowing their name helps to cast them out . Remember they do not want to be identified. I too know this demon of addiction. And many other that manifest under the skin. Its worse at Night There is absolutely nothing in the bible that says we have to know their names. There is a very good reason why we don't know their names. You could be far more likely to attract them if you did. God alone knows their names so we don't have to find it out. All you have to do is ask God for freedom from this addiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No124get1952 Posted March 9, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 159 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 184 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/31/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/17/1952 Share Posted March 9, 2017 John 14:12New International Version (NIV) 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. For those who say the "gift" of casting out demons was only given during the ancient days, I offer the above verse. That "whoever" is all inclusive. And, it was spoken by Jesus, Himself. That means whatever works He did, we will do (please note the "will do"; it did not say might do). Furthermore, Jesus even said we would do greater works than He did. I am NOT saying WE do them, but that we do them IN His name and By His power...but we are the hands, feet, etc. of Jesus on earth in THIS day. It is not arrogant for me to say that I cast out a demon, because at the direction of the Holy Spirit, and by the power of Christ (under his authority), I spoke words that carried the authority and power of Jesus, so the demons listened and obeyed. When the scripture says to resist the devil and he will flee, just what constitutes resistance? Those who believe the gifts of the Spirit passed away, have some serious explaining to do because the Scriptures do not say they passed away. This one verse alone provides me with all I need to ask God to help me participate in miracles. And do you know what? I HAVE!!!! I have seen medical miracles, confirmed by doctors. I have seen marriages miraculously healed by the Grace and power of Jesus Christ and like Shake and Bake....I helped. So Heavenunlimited, just keep on daily seeking Jesus and follow His Spirit and study His word. The Holy Spirit, according to Jesus in the Book of John, will guide you into ALL TRUTH. Praise the Lord!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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