The_Patriot21 Posted April 17, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 28 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 15,710 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 8,526 Days Won: 39 Joined: 10/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/27/1985 Share Posted April 17, 2017 13 minutes ago, Running Gator said: I agree with you about the Masons, but I do not agree we were ever a Christian nation. I would say yes and no. I didn't say we were a christian nation, just built on christian values. I don't think the founding fathers intended it to be a "christian" nation. I hold most of them were in fact practicing Christians and a lot of their moral code got put into the Constitution and the declaration, but they did not want a "christian" nation Mainly, because one of the things they were fighting against was state sponsored religion. I think their goal was to set up a government that was morally neutral, so that everyone could practice religion as they saw fit. Obviously, that is impossible as they like us are only human. It was not our founding fathers that declared us a "christian" nation. I do not believe that claim was ever made by them. Im fairly certain that we became known as a Christian nation from other countries giving us that title due to the fact that Christianity in its many forms was the most popular religion of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuasonFlower Posted April 17, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 3 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 311 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 214 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/14/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 17, 2017 17 minutes ago, Running Gator said: Actually it really does not matter. It does matter. Because what is being said is predicated on the founding of this nation. That someone doesn't know the history does not mean the history is irrelevant to the contemporary era. Quote There were lots of Christians here and their ideals helped to shape the original documents. But a Christian Nation we were not, in fact I believe the founding fathers would be upset at the very notion of such a thing. They worked hard to exclude particular religion from our official documents. That does not mean the ideals inherent in the teachings of Christ were completely dismissed and made irrelevant to the principles behind this nations creation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted April 17, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 17, 2017 Just now, JoshuasonFlower said: It does matter. Because what is being said is predicated on the founding of this nation. That someone doesn't know the history does not mean the history is irrelevant to the contemporary era. No, it really does not. And I do not think you should be mocking people's knowledge of history. Quote That does not mean the ideals inherent in the teachings of Christ were completely dismissed and made irrelevant to the principles behind this nations creation. Which is probably why nobody said that they were. This is just a strawman, you are knocking down an argument that nobody made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 2 hours ago, LadyKay said: I find that hard to believe considering the Trump people are the majority on this site and anytime I dare to even hint at a mock, or even a joke at a Trump supporter here I am reported and ban. Anyway. I was simply trying to inform as to why the writer of the article may feel the way they do about Christians and politics. Most of the stuff said is not really meant as a "joke" and I think most know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted April 17, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 17, 2017 1 minute ago, shiloh357 said: Most of the stuff said is not really meant as a "joke" and I think most know that. I would tend to disagree, especially about the "most know that". When dealing with something as emotionally charged as politics, acknowledging attempts at humor from the other side is inordinately difficult for most people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, Running Gator said: I would tend to disagree, especially about the "most know that". When dealing with something as emotionally charged as politics, acknowledging attempts at humor from the other side is inordinately difficult for most people. I think most people can tell when something is meant as a joke and no one has ever been friendly in their criticisms of Trump supporters on this board. Trying hide behind "I was just joking" isn't going to fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted April 17, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: I think most people can tell when something is meant as a joke and no one has ever been friendly in their criticisms of Trump supporters on this board. Trying hide behind "I was just joking" isn't going to fly. I am going to join Lady Kay in this, but I find it remarkable that on a board that is a good 95% (at least those that are vocal about it) Trump supporters that the Trump supporters claim some sort of persecution. How many times have you been asked if you were a Christian just because you supported Trump? My lack of support for Trump earned me that question at least 5 times, if not more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKay Posted April 17, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 385 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 7,692 Content Per Day: 1.93 Reputation: 4,809 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/28/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 17, 2017 2 hours ago, JoshuasonFlower said: When he is a Christian president chosen by the people? I'm......I'm.......? I think I am speechless. Anyway I can feel myself being pulled into things once again and I am trying to avoid that. So I'm just going sit and listen for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Running Gator said: I am going to join Lady Kay in this, but I find it remarkable that on a board that is a good 95% (at least those that are vocal about it) Trump supporters that the Trump supporters claim some sort of persecution. How many times have you been asked if you were a Christian just because you supported Trump? My lack of support for Trump earned me that question at least 5 times, if not more. We are not claiming persecution. It's the anti-Trumpers that are claiming persecution. I am simply pushing back on the notion that criticism of us for supporting Trump was friendly or meant to be taken as humorous and good natured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Churchmouse Posted April 17, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,216 Content Per Day: 0.80 Reputation: 1,014 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/29/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/02/1958 Share Posted April 17, 2017 15 hours ago, MorningGlory said: Seriously? Do these 'experts' really think they need to tell Christians this? I don't think hardly anyone among believers thinks of politics as a 'savior'. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-and-politics-wont-be-christianitys-savior-in-america-religion-experts-say/?ftag=CNM-00-10aac3a This is why people have a hard time with religion. The media trots out these sanctimonious Charletons who they parade around like some specialist in religious teachings and religious people. I hope this crackpot got his 15 minutes of fame out of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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