Problem of Genesis 1&2

[adamjedgar]

1 hour ago, Waggles said:

Why MUST Adam be the first man on Earth?

 

You know it has actually taken me almost an hour to type out an answer for this question...I essentially came to the conclusion that such a question is based on vacuous interpretations. However, in an attempt at finding a credible means of engaging in dialogue under the circumstances and, after that ridiculously long passage of time trying to find appropriate words to respond to the above question you posted, i realised a simple truth...this is going to require very long and arduous discussion mostly off-topic to this O.P's original question.

I believe that if you want to debate the number of individuals God created alongside Adam and Eve in Genesis 1&2, then perhaps you would consider posting a new question so it can be discussed in its own right and not detract from the O.P's question here. 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 1, 2022 by adamjedgar

[Waggles]

1 hour ago, adamjedgar said:

I believe that if you want to debate the number of individuals God created alongside Adam and Eve in Genesis 1&2,

The issue is Genesis 1 compared to Genesis 2.

And your rambling reply indicates in the end you cannot on scripture alone teach that Genesis 1:26-31 is the same "story" as Genesis 2:9 and following.

In Genesis 1 human beings, plural, male and female are created and told to be fruitful and multiply. In Genesis 2 a single man is formed from existing material and is alone for a season then a woman is formed from his flesh.

Different words in the original Hebrew are used in these verses.

I also notice that you continually refuse to reply to the questions and challenges that I have posed to you (and others) who believe that Genesis 1 and 2 are equivalent. 

So how did all us different humans "evolve" from Noah's family??

[adamjedgar]

7 hours ago, Waggles said:

The issue is Genesis 1 compared to Genesis 2.

And your rambling reply indicates in the end you cannot on scripture alone teach that Genesis 1:26-31 is the same "story" as Genesis 2:9 and following.

In Genesis 1 human beings, plural, male and female are created and told to be fruitful and multiply. In Genesis 2 a single man is formed from existing material and is alone for a season then a woman is formed from his flesh.

Different words in the original Hebrew are used in these verses.

I also notice that you continually refuse to reply to the questions and challenges that I have posed to you (and others) who believe that Genesis 1 and 2 are equivalent. 

So how did all us different humans "evolve" from Noah's family??

I am not a theistic evolutionist...my personal opinion (and I am not alone on this) is that those guys are not Christian to be honest.

The Bible doesn't tell us how the colour of skin came about...to try to make it up is pointless. We know why there are different languages and that it.

I do not believe it's the mark of Cain as some fundamentalist groups claim...but honestly I have no scripture to offer to support the idea it's his mark.

[other one]

1 minute ago, adamjedgar said:

I do not believe it's the mark of Cain as some fundamentalist groups claim...but honestly I have no scripture to offer to support the idea it's his mark.

Agreed for all of Cain's offspring died in the flood unless it was one of the wives

[adamjedgar]

15 minutes ago, other one said:

Agreed for all of Cain's offspring died in the flood unless it was one of the wives

Perhaps one of the offspring of the "Nephilim" entered the ark secretly? 

Edited January 1, 2022 by adamjedgar

[other one]

47 minutes ago, adamjedgar said:

Perhaps one of the offspring of the "Nephilim" entered the ark secretly? 

maybe hid down by the elephants.

 

[dad2]

On 5/2/2017 at 12:15 PM, missmuffet said:

This is not my opinion but my view.

Question: "Why are there two different Creation accounts in Genesis chapters 1-2?"

Answer: Genesis 1:1 says, “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.” Later, in Genesis 2:4, it seems that a second, different story of creation begins. The idea of two differing creation accounts is a common misinterpretation of these two passages which, in fact, describe the same creation event. They do not disagree as to the order in which things were created and do not contradict one another. Genesis 1 describes the “six days of creation” (and a seventh day of rest), Genesis 2 covers only one day of that creation week—the sixth day—and there is no contradiction.

In Genesis 2, the author steps back in the temporal sequence to the sixth day, when God made man. In the first chapter, the author of Genesis presents the creation of man on the sixth day as the culmination or high point of creation. Then, in the second chapter, the author gives greater detail regarding the creation of man.

There are two primary claims of contradictions between Genesis chapters 1-2. The first is in regard to plant life. Genesis 1:11 records God creating vegetation on the third day. Genesis 2:5 states that prior to the creation of man “no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground.” So, which is it? Did God create vegetation on the third day before He created man (Genesis 1), or after He created man (Genesis 2)? The Hebrew words for “vegetation” are different in the two passages. Genesis 1:11 uses a term that refers to vegetation in general. Genesis 2:5 uses a more specific term that refers to vegetation that requires agriculture, i.e., a person to tend it, a gardener. The passages do not contradict. Genesis 1:11 speaks of God creating vegetation, and Genesis 2:5 speaks of God not causing “farmable” vegetation to grow until after He created man.

The second claimed contradiction is in regard to animal life. Genesis 1:24-25 records God creating animal life on the sixth day, before He created man. Genesis 2:19, in some translations, seems to record God creating the animals after He had created man. However, a good and plausible translation of Genesis 2:19-20 reads, “Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them, and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.” The text does not say that God created man, then created the animals, and then brought the animals to the man. Rather, the text says, “Now the LORD God had [already] created all the animals.” There is no contradiction. On the sixth day, God created the animals, then created man, and then brought the animals to the man, allowing the man to name the animals.

By considering the two creation accounts individually and then reconciling them, we see that God describes the sequence of creation in Genesis 1, then clarifies its most important details, especially of the sixth day, in Genesis 2. There is no contradiction here, merely a common literary device describing an event from the general to the specific.

https://www.gotquestions.org/two-Creation-accounts.html

Gen 2 is not a creation account. It is going back to look at some details of what was already done and finished. It is not a chronological account.

[JohnR7]

On 12/31/2021 at 6:27 PM, adamjedgar said:

You do realise what the name Eve means yes? (ie that Eve was called this as she is the mother of all humanity)

We are told that Eve is the mother of all the living. Why would you substitute the word: "humanity" for the word "living"? 

20Adam ^c named his wife Eve, ^d because she would become the mother of all the living.

The Bible is very clear about who Eve is the mother of. I have studied the genealogies in the Bible extensively. Most important, Eve is the mother of Mary (matriarch) and it was Mary that birthed Jesus into the world.

“And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel” (Genesis 3:15, KJV).

There is a Mitochondrial Eve For all of humanity. The Eve in the Garden of Eden was the mother of mitochondrial DNA haplogroup from the people we read about in our Bible. For us gentiles, we refer to them as "Jewish". Abraham and his descendants. 

[The Barbarian]

On 9/13/2021 at 1:10 PM, David1701 said:

To refuse to believe what God says (e.g. his teaching that he created the heaven and the Earth in six literal days) is to lack grace and humility;

To refuse what some men interpret it to be, is merely disagreeing with some man's reasoning.   But often humans are so proud of their reasoning, they assume that God must agree with them.

On 10/29/2021 at 8:25 PM, RV_Wizard said:

so it's certainly a barrier to relationship here (and everywhere) - pride always is.

Yes.

 

[JohnR7]

On 5/2/2017 at 10:04 AM, rjs310 said:

I have had a number of debates with folks claiming that the creation account between Genesis 1&2 are different z this showing that Genesis can't be judge's as an historical account of creation.  I have answers for them, but before I share I was wondering about your thoughts on the subject.  

People need to read their High School Biology book. They sell used on Amazon for less than $10 If we do not understand Science we are not going to be able to understand the Book of Genesis in the Bible.