The Book of Enoch

[Michael Fernandez]

On 5/11/2017 at 8:12 AM, Jayne said:

You REALLY have to be careful when you go to sites like this because there is so much shoddy and terrible Biblical scholarship out there by people who know just enough about the Bible to be wrong and teach it incorrectly.

Jesus Christ did NOT quote the author of the Book of Enoch, whoever that anonymous person is who could have possibly even written his book after Christ.  I keep finding a range of possible dates of that book from 100 to 300 years before Christ to as late as 100 years after the death of Christ.

Jesus Christ and the author of Enoch quoted King David who lived a thousand years BEFORE Christ and BEFORE the author of the book of Enoch [not written by the Old Testament Enoch]

First:  King David circa 1000 BC - Psalm 37:11 KJV- "But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace."
 

We need to truly be as careful as a kitten tiptoeing through a room of sleeping Dobermans when we scroll through internet sites for information about the Bible.  Much of it is lies and even more is dangerously wrong by people who were trying sincerely to be right who just do not have the competency for proper scholarship....

.....or else, they have an agenda and they pick and choose sloppily to prove a point that is incorrect.

 

The fact is, the early Church Did Not agree that these books were "inspired" or they would have been in the final Canon of Scripture.  The fact that they are referred to or even quoted 'in part' means only that they did have some things to say that were true and worthy.  Remember the saying, "A broken clock is right twice a day," which is absolutely true (if you're using a 12 hour clock), but you would not want to depend on it to get to work on time.  Neither do you want to place unwarranted confidence/trust in any of those other books.

[Michael Fernandez]

On 5/11/2017 at 12:01 PM, shiloh357 said:

If it promotes an old earth, then it is definitely not an inspired text.

Word that.  Genesis clearly teaches that Death did not enter the Creation until the fall of Adam and Eve and the subsequent curse upon all of Creation.  There cannot have been any pre-Adamic civilizations, or creation by means of evolution as evolution (per the theory) involves the death of inferior life forms and the advancement of superior life forms, i.e., "survival of the fittest."

[Michael Fernandez]

On 5/11/2017 at 1:24 PM, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Commonsense indicates that the Earth is quite old.  Many Christians accept and believe this while still taking the Bible literally.  Seen any unicorns lately?

"Commonsense" that goes against what Scripture teaches is called "error," or in religious terms, "heresy."  Genesis clearly teaches that Death did not enter the Creation until the fall of Adam and Eve and the subsequent curse upon all of Creation.  There cannot have been any pre-Adamic civilizations, or creation by means of evolution as evolution (per the theory) involves the death of inferior life forms and the advancement of superior life forms, i.e., "survival of the fittest."

As for what "many Christians believe," well, many Christians today believe that premarital sex/shacking up is ok, as long as you 'really love the other person."  Many Christians today believe that homosexuality is ok, as long as "they really love each other" because "love can't be wrong."
 

And as for your "unicorns," that is a mistranslation of a name for an animal the the early translators did not know, not having a complete understanding of the Hebrew, nor possession of all the manuscripts and other writings that placed the term H7794 שׁוֹר shôr From H7788; a bullock (as a traveller). wall used by mistake for H7791: - bull (-ock), cow, ox, wall [by mistake for H7791]. (Strong's Dictionary Entry), or G5022 ταῦρος tauros tow'-ros Apparently a primary word (compare [H8450], “steer”); a bullock: - bull, ox.  (Strong's Dictionary)  Note, H8450 is a Chaldee term corresponding to the Hebrew H7791.

Deuteronomy 33:17
(ABP+)  As a first-bornG4416 bullG5022 G3588 is his beauty.G2566.3 G1473 HornsG2768 of a unicornG3439.2 G3588 are his horns.G2768 G1473 WithG1722 themG1473 [2nationsG1484 1he shall gore]G2768.3 together,G260 evenG2193 fromG575 the tipG206.1 of the earth.G1093 These are G3778 the myriadsG3461 of Ephraim,G* andG2532 these areG3778 the thousandsG5505 of Manasseh.G*
(AMP)  Like a firstling young bull his majesty is, and his horns like the horns of the wild ox; with them he shall push the peoples, all of them, to the ends of the earth. And they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.
(Bishops)  His first borne oxe hath beautie, and his hornes are as the hornes of an vnicorne, and with them he shall trouble the nations together, euen vnto the endes of the worlde: These are also ten thousandes of Ephraim, and the thousandes of Manasses.
(Brenton)  His beauty is as the firstling of his bull, his horns are the horns of a unicorn; with them he shall thrust the nations at once, even from the end of the earth: these are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and these are the thousands of Manasse.
(Darby)  His majesty is as the firstling of his ox; And his horns are as the horns of a buffalo. With them shall he push the peoples Together to the ends of the earth. These are the myriads of Ephraim, And these are the thousands of Manasseh.
(DRB)  His beauty as of the firstling of a bullock, his horns as the horns of a rhinoceros: with them shall he push the nations even to the ends of the earth. These are the multitudes of Ephraim and these the thousands of Manasses.
(ESV)  A firstborn bull--he has majesty, and his horns are the horns of a wild ox; with them he shall gore the peoples, all of them, to the ends of the earth; they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh."
(GEB)  Sein ist die Majestät des Erstgeborenen seines Stieres; und Hörner des Wildochsen sind seine Hörner. Mit ihnen wird er die Völker niederstoßen allzumal bis an die Enden der Erde. Und das sind die Zehntausende Ephraims, und das die Tausende Manasses.
(Geneva)  His beautie shalbe like his first borne bullock, & his hornes as the hornes of an vnicorne: with them hee shall smite the people together, euen the endes of the world: these are also the ten thousands of Ephraim, and these are the thousands of Manasseh.
(German EB)  Sein ist die Majestät des Erstgeborenen seines Stieres; und Hörner des Wildochsen sind seine Hörner. Mit ihnen wird er die Völker niederstoßen allzumal bis an die Enden der Erde. Und das sind die Zehntausende Ephraims, und das die Tausende Manasses.
(German LB)  Seine Herrlichkeit ist wie eines erstgeborenen Stieres, und seine Hörner sind wie Einhornshörner; mit denselben wird er die Völker stoßen zuhauf bis an des Landes Enden. Das sind die Zehntausende Ephraims und die Tausende Manasses.
(German NeÜ)  Er ist herrlich wie ein erstgeborener Stier, / seine Hörner wie die eines Wildstiers. / Mit ihnen durchbohrt er die Völker, / selbst die am Ende der Welt. / Das sind die Zehntausende von Efraïm / und die Tausende des Stammes Manasse ."
(German SB)  Prächtig ist er wie sein erstgeborener Stier, Hörner hat er wie ein Büffel; damit stößt er die Völker allzumal bis an die Enden der Erde. Das sind die Zehntausende von Ephraim und jenes die Tausende von Manasse!
(GLB)  Seine Herrlichkeit ist wie eines erstgeborenen Stieres, und seine Hörner sind wie Einhornshörner; mit denselben wird er die Völker stoßen zuhauf bis an des Landes Enden. Das sind die Zehntausende Ephraims und die Tausende Manasses.
(GNEU)  Er ist herrlich wie ein erstgeborener Stier, / seine Hörner wie die eines Wildstiers. / Mit ihnen durchbohrt er die Völker, / selbst die am Ende der Welt. / Das sind die Zehntausende von Efraïm / und die Tausende des Stammes Manasse."
(Greek ABP+)  πρωτοτοκοςG4416 ταυρουG5022 τοG3588 καλλος αυτουG2566.3 G1473 κεραταG2768 μονοκερωτοςG3439.2 ταG3588 κερατα αυτουG2768 G1473 ενG1722 αυτοιςG1473 εθνηG1484 κερατιειG2768.3 αμαG260 εωςG2193 απ΄G575 ακρουG206.1 γηςG1093 αυταιG3778 μυριαδεςG3461 ΕφραϊμG* καιG2532 αυταιG3778 χιλιαδεςG5505 ΜανασσηG*
(Greek OT)  πρωτότοκος ταύρου τὸ κάλλος αὐτοῦ, κέρατα μονοκέρωτος τὰ κέρατα αὐτοῦ· ἐν αὐτοῖς ἔθνη κερατιεῖ ἅμα ἕως ἐπ᾿ ἄκρου γῆς. αὗται μυριάδες Εφραιμ, καὶ αὗται χιλιάδες Μανασση.
(Greek OT+)  πρωτοτοκοςG4416 A-NSM ταυρουG5022 N-GSM τοG3588 T-NSN καλλοςN-NSN αυτουG846 D-GSM κεραταG2768 N-NPN μονοκερωτοςN-GSM ταG3588 T-NPN κεραταG2768 N-NPN αυτουG846 D-GSM ενG1722 PREP αυτοιςG846 D-DPN εθνηG1484 N-APN κερατιειV-FAI-3S αμαG260 ADV εωςG2193 CONJ επG1909 PREP ακρουA-GSM γηςG1065 N-GSF αυταιG3778 D-NPF μυριαδεςG3461 N-NPF εφραιμG2187 N-PRI καιG2532 CONJ αυταιG3778 D-NPF χιλιαδεςG5505 N-NPF μανασσηN-PRI
(Greek VB)  Η δόξα αυτού ας ήναι ως του πρωτοτόκου του ταύρου αυτού, και τα κέρατα αυτού ως τα κέρατα του μονοκέρωτος· δι' αυτών θέλει κερατίσει τα έθνη έως των άκρων της γής· και αύται είναι αι μυριάδες του Εφραΐμ, και αύται αι χιλιάδες του Μανασσή.
(GSB)  Prächtig ist er wie sein erstgeborener Stier, Hörner hat er wie ein Büffel; damit stößt er die Völker allzumal bis an die Enden der Erde. Das sind die Zehntausende von Ephraim und jenes die Tausende von Manasse!
(HCSB)  His firstborn bull has splendor, and horns like those of a wild ox; he gores all the peoples with them to the ends of the earth. Such are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and such are the thousands of Manasseh.
(Hebrew OT)  בכור שׁורו הדר לו וקרני ראם קרניו בהם עמים ינגח יחדו אפסי־ארץ והם רבבות אפרים והם אלפי מנשׁה׃
(Hebrew OT+)  בכורH1060 שׁורוH7794 הדרH1926 לו וקרניH7161 ראםH7214 קרניוH7161 בהם עמיםH5971 ינגחH5055 יחדוH3162 אפסיH657 ארץH776 והםH1992 רבבותH7233 אפריםH669 והםH1992 אלפיH505 מנשׁה׃H4519
(KJV)  His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.
(KJV+)  His gloryH1926 is like the firstlingH1060 of his bullock,H7794 and his hornsH7161 are like the hornsH7161 of unicorns:H7214 with them he shall pushH5055 the peopleH5971 togetherH3162 to the endsH657 of the earth:H776 and theyH1992 are the ten thousandsH7233 of Ephraim,H669 and theyH1992 are the thousandsH505 of Manasseh.H4519
(KJV-1611)  His glory is like the firstling of his bullocke, & his hornes are like the hornes of Unicornes: with them he shall push the people together, to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.
(KJV-BRG)  His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.
(Latin)  quasi primogeniti tauri pulchritudo eius cornua rinocerotis cornua illius in ipsis ventilabit gentes usque ad terminos terrae hae sunt multitudines Ephraim et haec milia Manasse
(LBLA)  Su majestad es como la del primogénito del toro, y sus cuernos son los cuernos del búfalo; con ellos empujará a los pueblos, todos juntos, hasta los confines de la tierra. Tales son los diez millares de Efraín, y tales los millares de Manasés.
(LEB)  As the firstborn of his ox, majesty belongs to him, and his horns are the horns of a wild ox; with them he drives people together, and they are the myriads of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh."
(LITV)  His glory is as the first-born of his ox, and the horns of the wild ox are his horns; with them he shall butt the peoples together to the ends of the earth. And they are the myriads of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.
(MKJV)  His glory is like the first-born of his bull, and his horns are like the horns of the wild ox. With them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth. And they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.
(NBLH)  Su majestad es como la del primogénito del toro, Y sus cuernos son los cuernos del búfalo. Con ellos empujará a los pueblos, Todos juntos, hasta los confines de la tierra. Tales son los diez millares de Efraín, Y tales los millares de Manasés."
(NKJV)  His glory is like a firstborn bull, And his horns like the horns of the wild ox; Together with them He shall push the peoples To the ends of the earth; They are the ten thousands of Ephraim, And they are the thousands of Manasseh."
(RV)  The firstling of his bullock, majesty is his; And his horns are the horns of the wild–ox: With them he shall push the peoples all of them, even the ends of the earth: And they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, And they are the thousands of Manasseh.
(RVG)  Su gloria como la del primogénito de su toro, y sus cuernos, cuernos de unicornio; con ellos acorneará a los pueblos juntos hasta los fines de la tierra; y éstos los diez millares de Efraín, y éstos los millares de Manasés.
(RVR60)  Como el primogénito de su toro es su gloria, Y sus astas como astas de búfalo; Con ellas acorneará a los pueblos juntos hasta los fines de la tierra; Ellos son los diez millares de Efraín, Y ellos son los millares de Manasés.
(Spanish LBLA)  Su majestad es como la del primogénito del toro, y sus cuernos son los cuernos del búfalo; con ellos empujará a los pueblos, todos juntos, hasta los confines de la tierra. Tales son los diez millares de Efraín, y tales los millares de Manasés.
(Spanish NBLH)  Su majestad es como la del primogénito del toro, Y sus cuernos son los cuernos del búfalo. Con ellos empujará a los pueblos, Todos juntos, hasta los confines de la tierra. Tales son los diez millares de Efraín, Y tales los millares de Manasés."
(Spanish RV)  El es aventajado como el primogénito de su toro, y sus cuernos, cuernos de unicornio: con ellos acorneará los pueblos juntos hasta los fines de la tierra: y estos son los diez millares de Ephraim, y estos los millares de Manasés.
(Spanish RV+)  El es
H7794 aventajado como el primogénitoH1060 de su toroH7794, y sus cuernosH1926, cuernosH7161 de unicornioH7214: con ellos acornearáH1992 los pueblosH5971 juntosH3162 hasta los finesH657 de la tierraH1992: y estos son los diezH7233 millares de EphraimH669, y estos los millaresH505 de ManasésH4519.
(Spanish RV-BRG)  Él es aventajado como el primogénito de su toro, Y sus cuernos, cuernos de unicornio: Con ellos acorneará los pueblos juntos hasta los fines de la tierra: Y estos son los diez millares de Ephraim, Y estos los millares de Manasés.
(Spanish RVG)  Su gloria es como la del primogénito de su toro, y sus cuernos, cuernos de unicornio; con ellos acorneará a los pueblos juntos hasta los fines de la tierra; y éstos son los diez millares de Efraín, y éstos los millares de Manasés.
(SRV)  El es aventajado como el primogénito de su toro, Y sus cuernos, cuernos de unicornio: Con ellos acorneará los pueblos juntos hasta los fines de la tierra: Y estos son los diez millares de Ephraim, Y estos los millares de Manasés.
(SRV+)  El esH7794 aventajado como el primogénitoH1060 de su toroH7794, y sus cuernosH1926, cuernosH7161 de unicornioH7214: con ellos acornearáH1992 los pueblosH5971 juntosH3162 hasta los finesH657 de la tierraH1992: y estos son los diezH7233 millares de EphraimH669, y estos los millaresH505 de ManasésH4519.
(SSE)  El es hermoso como el primogénito de su toro, y sus cuernos, cuernos de unicornio; con ellos acorneará a los pueblos juntos hasta los fines de la tierra; y éstos son los diez millares de Efraín, y éstos los millares de Manasés.
(TAB)  Ang panganay ng kaniyang baka, na may kamahalan; At ang mga sungay niyaon ay parang mga sungay ng mabangis na toro: Siya niyang ipantutulak sa mga bayan, lahat sa kanila, kahit na nasa mga hangganan ng lupa: At sila ang laksa-laksa ng Ephraim, At sila ang libolibo ng Manases.
(Tagalog AB)  Ang panganay ng kaniyang baka, na may kamahalan; At ang mga sungay niyaon ay parang mga sungay ng mabangis na toro: Siya niyang ipantutulak sa mga bayan, lahat sa kanila, kahit na nasa mga hangganan ng lupa: At sila ang laksa-laksa ng Ephraim, At sila ang libolibo ng Manases.
(Thai KJV)  สง่าราศีของเขาเหมือนลูกวัวหัวปีของเขา เขาของเขาเหมือนเขาม้ายูนิคอน และด้วยเขานั้นเขาจะดันชนชาติทั้งหลายออกไปจนสุดปลายพิภพ คนเอฟราอิมนับหมื่นเป็นเช่นนี้ คนมนัสเสห์นับพันก็เหมือนกัน"
(Vietnamese)  Oai nghiêm người giống như con bò đực đầu lòng; Hai sừng người vốn sừng của trâu! Người lấy sừng ấy báng mọi dân, Cho đến cuối đầu của đất. Ðó là hằng muôn của Ép-ra-im, Ấy là hằng ngàn của Ma-na-se.
(Vulgate)  quasi primogeniti tauri pulchritudo eius cornua rinocerotis cornua illius in ipsis ventilabit gentes usque ad terminos terrae hae sunt multitudines Ephraim et haec milia Manasse
(WEBA)  The firstborn of his herd, majesty is his. His horns are the horns of the wild ox. With them he will push all the peoples, to the ends of the earth. They are the ten thousands of Ephraim. They are the thousands of Manasseh.”
(Webster)  His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.
(YLT)  His honour is a firstling of his ox, And his horns are horns of a reem; By them peoples he doth push together To the ends of earth; And they are the myriads of Ephraim, And they are the thousands of Manasseh.
 

[Michael Fernandez]

On 5/11/2017 at 1:29 PM, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Then I guess you want to remove Genesis and many other books from the 66 books of the Bible because they don't square with your prejudiced interpretation.  You may find this hard to believe, but Jesus, the prophets, patriarchs and apostles did not speak English.  The inspired text is not English.

No, it would be better if you revised your understanding of Genesis.  Genesis clearly teaches that Death did not enter the Creation until the fall of Adam and Eve and the subsequent curse upon all of Creation.  There cannot have been any pre-Adamic civilizations, or creation by means of evolution as evolution (per the theory) involves the death of inferior life forms and the advancement of superior life forms, i.e., "survival of the fittest."

[Michael Fernandez]

On 5/11/2017 at 2:21 PM, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

You will NEVER find one quote from me in any of the tens of thousands writings I posted on multiple sites that even remotely suggests that this document belongs in either the Jewish Testament or the Christian Bible. 

Actually, yes we can.  At least the "remotely suggesting" part anyway. 

  On 5/11/2017 at 12:01 PM, shiloh357 said:

If it promotes an old earth, then it is definitely not an inspired text.

Then I guess you want to remove Genesis and many other books from the 66 books of the Bible because they don't square with your prejudiced interpretation.  You may find this hard to believe, but Jesus, the prophets, patriarchs and apostles did not speak English.  The inspired text is not English.

By your comment about removing Genesis (in the context it appears both immediate re: Creation and general re: the OP, it is very easy for one to conclude that you are doing just that, suggesting that "this document" (Book of Enoch, which supports old earth creationism) belongs in the Bible.

Just sayin.

[1to3]

13 minutes ago, Michael Fernandez said:

No, it would be better if you revised your understanding of Genesis. 

Good day  Mr, Michael Fernandez;

It seems many people have different  understanding from even something coming out of Holy Scripture.

As you seem full of energy and zeal to defend your belief about Holy scripture, i would be very interested in your feed back to Hazard topic;Lucifer's creation and rebellion.

that thread speaks of creation existing before the six day creation period.

Hazard has scripture to back up his claim, I wouod be interested in hearing you refute his claims.

I also would very much like to believe as I always have that  the six say creation was the beginning of all, but Hazard keep bring up a passage of scripture that can put into question that. I was just wondering what your response to him would be on that.

Regards

 

Edited December 3, 2017 by 1to3

[Michael Fernandez]

1 minute ago, 1to3 said:

Good day  Mr, Michael Fernandez;

It seems many people have different s understanding from even something coming out of Holy Scripture.

As you seem full of energy and zeal to defend your beleif about Holy scripture, i would be very interested in your feed back to Hazard topic;Lucifer's creation and rebellion.

that thread speaks of creation existing before the six day creation period.

Hazard has scripture to back up his claim, I wouod be interested in hearing you refute his claims.

I also would very much like to believe as I always have that  the six say creation was the beginning of all, but Hazard keep bring up a pasage of scripture that can put into question that. I was just wondering what your response to him wouod be on that.

 

Hi 1to3, I'll check it out.

[1to3]

Just now, Michael Fernandez said:

Hi 1to3, I'll check it out.

Thanks 

[Michael Fernandez]

3 minutes ago, 1to3 said:

Thanks 

Hi 1to3, 

Question, how much do you need to refute the Lucifer OP?  I read the first dozen paragraphs and found so many false, unwarranted "assumptions" that, well, actually in just the first few paragraphs, convinced me that the author either has no command of the English language (let alone Hebrew or Greek) leading to his many false assumptions, or, he's just trying to stir up trouble by confusing people.  Since I don't like to make accusations of ill intent that I cannot prove, I'll have to give him the benefit of the doubt and just go with his writing from ignorance.

As the OP is quite long, do you need the entire thing refuted?  That could take a matter of a week or more (as I have to fit it into my work schedule and my work at home rebuilding after a fire) or would showing that he is off in just the first few paragraphs, involving clearly unwarranted assumptions?

 

Here's just the first few paragraphs:
"Scriptures show that originally, Long before Adam and Eve were created, God created the Earth and placed Lucifer as ruler of the society there."   Writer's premise stated, not proven.

"God gave Lucifer control of the Earth kingdom (Rev. 12:12; Ezek. 28:11-18; Isa. 14:12-14)"  Writer's assumption (per his premise above) is that this took place before Adam's Creation.  Let's look at his Scriptural support (or lack thereof).

Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth. Rev 12:2 NKJV  This is a passage that describes, in context, the birth of Christ  

Rev 12:1-6 NKJV

1 Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars.

2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.

3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads.

4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.

5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.

6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

Eze 28:11-18 NKJV

11 Moreover the word of the LORD came to me, saying,

12 "Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, 'Thus says the Lord GOD: "You were the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.

13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz, and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes Was prepared for you on the day you were created.

14 "You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.

15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you.

16 "By the abundance of your trading You became filled with violence within, And you sinned; Therefore I cast you as a profane thing Out of the mountain of God; And I destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the fiery stones.

17 "Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor; I cast you to the ground, I laid you before kings, That they might gaze at you.

18 "You defiled your sanctuaries By the multitude of your iniquities, By the iniquity of your trading; Therefore I brought fire from your midst; It devoured you, And I turned you to ashes upon the earth In the sight of all who saw you.

This only states that Lucifer was "in Eden, the garden of God," but does not say anything about when Lucifer was created.  Clearly Lucifer existed before Adam, but that would be because He (along with the host of heaven) was created on Day 1 of Creation.  It does not support his premise "Long before Adam and Eve were created, God created the Earth and placed Lucifer as ruler of the society there," as the Garden was created after Adam, cf. 

Gen 2:7-8 NKJV

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

8 The LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed.

 

Isa 14:12-13 NKJV

12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!

13 For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north;

Again, this says nothing of "when" this occurred and thus is a spurious assumption 

Lucifer obeyed God and ruled for an unknown time before "Iniquity was found in him. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee" (Ezek. 28:13-15).

There is nothing here that supports Lucifer "ruling" anything.  It only states, correctly, that for an "unknown time" Lucifer was "perfect."  Whether that time was 1 hour, 1 day, or several days is unknown.

Before Adam Lucifer was the ruler of the Earth. Again, the writer is making an assumption, stating a premise that he has not proven.

God is taking about Lucifer in these Scriptures. He was a perfectly created arc angel;

 

"Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee" (Ezek. 28:13-15). See my comments on this passage above.

Lucifer wanted to control the universe and knock God off His throne. He over a long period of time convinced one third of God's angels to rebell (sic) with him and they rebelled against God and His universal rule, and invaded heaven to try and de-throne God Himself. (Ezek 28:11-18; Isa. 14:12-14). "over a long period of time" While it is true that Lucifer wanted to usurp the place of God, the writer makes an unwarranted assumption that he took long period of time.  There is nothing said in Scripture about the length of time involved in these events.

So, 1to3, as you can see, from the very beginning, the writer makes a premise based on his own (and/or others) presuppositions regarding the events, and then interprets Scripture to fit those presuppositions rather than letting Scripture say what it says and not say what it does not.

From what I've seen in just a quick perusal of the OP, he continues to do the same sloppy and erroneous work throughout.

 

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22 hours ago, Jude1:3 said:

 

And Also stick To Their Made Up Masonic Controlled Denominations.

It's really not a good idea to insinuate that Christians are being controlled by the Masons, Jude.