Kevinb Posted June 24, 2017 Group: Seeker Followers: 4 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 423 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 70 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/18/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 24, 2017 Well you need to define your terms better. Hot spot could also mean wifi signal ?. Yes indeed but your sun pic has no features to tell depth or not. Again an opaque or blinding light pic without any features can be interpreted either way...very subjective. https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/one-giant-sunspot-6-substantial-flares/ Copy link into browser. Happened to be nasa but I see images from masses of sources around the world. Now we have feature...sphere of burning hydrogen or magic flat disk? So how does the sun work...how does it produce light? What are the northern lights? If the pic of reflection you've posted is accurate...demonstrate the distance from earth to sun to refute the 93 mill or whatever it was..I suspect you'd need to know size but you said you don't know that either. You can't just assert it's wrong and not demonstrate why using credible demonstrable means..or its just your unsubstantiated opinion again - argument from ignorance fallacy. Wow hang on 100k ish but the thermosphere is upwards from 90k..you need to be certain on this or I can just throw it out using your terms of we can't send anything into the thermosphere. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted June 24, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted June 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, Kevinb said: Well you need to define your terms better. Hot spot could also mean wifi signal ?. I thought it was Prima Facia. Quote Yes indeed but your sun pic has no features to tell depth or not. Well it's a Good Thing my pic has nothing to do with Depth then, eh? Quote Again an opaque or blinding light pic without any features can be interpreted either way...very subjective. It's reconciled by an Incoherent 3rd Grader in a Planck Time.. Quote https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/one-giant-sunspot-6-substantial-flares/ Copy link into browser. Happened to be nasa but I see images from masses of sources around the world. And...?? Quote Now we have feature...sphere of burning hydrogen or magic flat disk? 1. Again, you can't conjure a Sphere from any "Scope" or 2 Dimensional Picture. 2. Are you saying the Sun is Nuclear?? Quote So how does the sun work...how does it produce light? I haven't the faintest clue, and nether does anyone else Quote What are the northern lights? What does this have to do with the topic? Quote If the pic of reflection you've posted is accurate It is, just "LOOK". Quote If the pic of reflection you've posted is accurate...demonstrate the distance from earth to sun to refute the 93 mill or whatever it was 1. Non-Sequitur Fallacy. 2. It's the Acme of Foolishness to even consider... much less attempt, to refute/disprove complete Arguments from Ignorance Fallacies. Scientifically Validate "YOUR" Claim that the SUN IS 93 Million away; THEN...I'll refute/disprove it. OR... Do you find it 'Scientific' or 'Logical' to imagine things THEN have other people attempt to disprove your imaginings before you give evidence of your imaginings...? Quote ..I suspect you'd need to know size but you said you don't know that either. I don't know it "precisely" is what I said. Quote You can't just assert it's wrong I can assert it's a Fairytale when the claim hasn't been Validated in the First Place. SEE: Argument from Ignorance Fallacy ect above. Quote and not demonstrate why using credible demonstrable means..or its just your unsubstantiated opinion again - argument from ignorance fallacy. Huh? You're confused, it is "YOU" that's parroting the Argument from Ignorance Fallacy, not "I". Quote Wow hang on 100k ish but the thermosphere is upwards from 90k..you need to be certain on this or I can just throw it out using your terms of we can't send anything into the thermosphere. ? Clumsy Straw Man Fallacy. I never said we can't send anything into the Thermosphere; so what on Earth are you talking about? Just FYI, The Record for the Highest Balloon Altitude is 173,000-ish Feet. regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevinb Posted June 24, 2017 Group: Seeker Followers: 4 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 423 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 70 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/18/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) How does a balloon survive the Temps in the thermosphere? Using your argument. What are the melting points of balloons? Sound familiar ?. A satellite couldn't survive that high using titanium carbides but a balloon can? See other thread..many here have been on both. He he yes the claim and explanation for 93 mill has been explained..you've cited the figure yourself..you must have read why and where that's come about..what's your alternative distance and size of sun...if you can't demonstrate this..it's just your word..sorry you're not understanding. Maybe it's 10 mill..1 mill..100k..300 mill. Demonstrate a number or you've nothing but Enoch says no doubt incorporating his bias?. Okay you don't know it with precision ...what is it roughly and how do you know this approximate. Finally...something we agree on... you don't have the faintest idea. Others do...so speak for yourself. Edited June 24, 2017 by Kevinb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted June 24, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Enoch2021 said: Why?? As elucidated earlier, this wasn't about Flat Earth, directly. And since you quoted... "the answer to your first question is "simple physics" the answer to your second question is "NO" " Can you explain these two claims for us...? ps. What is your conclusion about The Blue Marble/Solar Eclipse fiasco?? regards No idea what you're talking about; I didn't address either of those things. How about stop derailing the thread? That's all I care about. Please talk on the solar eclipse which is what the rest of us are interested in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted June 24, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted June 24, 2017 24 minutes ago, MorningGlory said: No idea what you're talking about; I didn't address either of those things. You quoted them. Quote How about stop derailing the thread? That's all I care about. How has this been 'derailed'...? Quote Please talk on the solar eclipse which is what the rest of us are interested in. 1. Who are "Us"? 2. Well the Solar Eclipse ("Moon Shadow") Pic...with "Cloned-Clouds" is the same PIC as the Blue Marble; Therefore, well "On Topic'. regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted June 24, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted June 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Kevinb said: How does a balloon survive the Temps in the thermosphere? They don't survive, they're only that High "Temporarily"; whereas the fairytale satellites are up there for years. See the difference?? Quote He he yes the claim and explanation for 93 mill has been explained That's not an "Explanation" that's a "Declaration", BIG Difference. Quote ..you've cited the figure yourself..you must have read why and where that's come about It's not "MY" job to SUPPORT "YOUR" Claims, counselor. Quote ..what's your alternative distance and size of sun As mentioned previously, from the Triangulation/Calculations... it's ~33 Miles in Diameter and ~ 3,000 miles in Elevation. But as I said, it's impossible at this time to be precise for the reasons I mentioned. Quote ...if you can't demonstrate this..it's just your word There's a demonstration, Right Here (You Tube): Flat Earth: How To Track The Sun (Subtitulado) And if "They" can't demonstrate how "They" came to 93 Million Miles...then it's just their word. Quote sorry you're not understanding. Oh, I surely understand. Quote Others do Please, Go on...? regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted June 24, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Enoch2021 said: You quoted them. How has this been 'derailed'...? 1. Who are "Us"? 2. Well the Solar Eclipse ("Moon Shadow") Pic...with "Cloned-Clouds" is the same PIC as the Blue Marble; Therefore, well "On Topic'. regards I simply agreed with OO's post. I don't give a flying fig about your arguments on flat earth theory. The topic s the solar eclipse. What do you think of THAT subject? You know, the topic of this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted June 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted June 25, 2017 16 minutes ago, MorningGlory said: I simply agreed with OO's post. Why? As illustrated, he was 'reading into' something that wasn't there...it was a mirage. Quote I don't give a flying fig about your arguments on flat earth theory. 1. It's NOT a 'Theory'. 2. It WASN'T brought up. Quote The topic s the solar eclipse. What do you think of THAT subject? You know, the topic of this thread? I'm pretty sure I was quite detailed in quite a number of posts with my thoughts and FACTS on the subject. regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted June 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted June 25, 2017 6 hours ago, Kevinb said: Also you say here the pic was taken at 100k ..the thermosphere starts at 90k This is Factually Incorrect. Sorry, I missed this... I said the Balloon was about 100,000 Feet. 100,000 Feet ='s 18 Miles. The Thermosphere starts at 295,680 Feet ='s 56 miles. The Highest Balloon to date is ~ 173,000 Feet = 33 Miles. Never reaching the Thermosphere. regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted June 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 6 hours ago, Enoch2021 said: Please, one more time, post the source for this picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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