JohnD Posted July 11, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 11, 2017 5 hours ago, shiloh357 said: No, we are not hardwired to sin. Human nature and the sinful nature are not the same thing. Sin belongs to our sinful nature, not our human nature. Jesus has a human nature and it is sinless, and He is truly human and truly God. God is the only one who has the ability to design (hardwire) us and He did not hard wire us for sinning. By design we are designed, hardwired by nature to worship and need God. We are designed with needs that only He can meet. The part of us that admires heroes, great works of art, athletic prowess, celebrities, etc., is the part of us that is designed (hardwired) to worship and adore God. We've been down this path before. Jesus is the last Adam. Adam (prototype) before the fall. 1 Corinthians 15:45–47 (AV) 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. The human nature of Adam prior to the fall was not a sin nature. Afterward ja vol. The last Adam's human nature never knew sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 1 hour ago, JohnD said: We've been down this path before. Jesus is the last Adam. Adam (prototype) before the fall. 1 Corinthians 15:45–47 (AV) 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. The human nature of Adam prior to the fall was not a sin nature. Afterward ja vol. The last Adam's human nature never knew sin. That does not mean we are hardwired to sin. What is hardwired into us is what God designed us to be. Sin is a perversion of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brakelite Posted July 11, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 977 Content Per Day: 0.21 Reputation: 641 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/15/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2017 We all were born with fallen natures...with a propensity to sin and selfishness, thus why we must be born again. No-one born of man is exempt. Jesus, although born with the nature of fallen man, (God sent His Son in the likeness of sinful flesh Rom 8:3) overcame sin by His intimate unfailing connection to His Father. His humanity only veiled His divine nature by which He was inseparably linked with the invisible God, which was more than able to resist temptation, and the weaknesses of heredity. There was in His whole life a struggle, and the spiritual battle He fought on our behalf was as real as ours,but far more intense for the enemy of righteousness moved upon His natural human nature with all His cunning and power, but to no avail. It would have been an almost infinite humiliation for the Son of God to take upon Himself man's unfallen nature, like that of Adam in his innocence in Eden, but Jesus came into the human race after 4000 years of sin and rebellion. Gal. 4:4,5. 2 Cor. 5:21. Hebrews 5:1-9 Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.....showing us the way and leaving us an example that we also, by partaking of the divine nature can overcome. 2 Peter 1:4 We are all born with sinful fallen natures, but that does not mean we are 'hardwired' to sin. What it does mean is that we have a propensity, an inclination toward sin, and our fleshly carnal natures are so weak, that on our own, we more often than not, give in and sin. However, God has made it possible that through His only begotten Son, and by our connection to Him through the new birth, we have available to us through faith divine power by which we can overcome sin in the flesh, just as Jesus did, "that the righteousness of the law may be fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh,but after the Spirit". (Rom. 8:4) Mark 4:29 But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come. Christ is waiting in longing desire for the manifestation of Himself in His church. When the character of Christ is reproduced in His people, then He will come to claim them as His own. Phil. 1:9 ¶ And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; 10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ; 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff2 Posted July 11, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 318 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 85 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2017 If Christians are hardwired to sin, God is a failure! Regeneration, conversion, and being Born-Again are a farce. All commands in Scripture that tell us not to sin, are never met with an expectation of failure. Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy... Jude v.24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff2 Posted July 11, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 318 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 85 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2017 On 7/9/2017 at 7:27 PM, JohnD said: Indeed. I am not trying to champion any one sin, certainly not homosexuality, but I believe singling out one sin like homosexuality has the reverse effect in winning their souls to Christ and allowing God to deal with their hearts and their sins the same way the Holy Spirit within US does. Mishandling of several situations like the homosexual backlash and the prominence of the feminist movement are laid at the door stoop of the Church Organization. Missed opportunities / brow beating / you name it. They blew it. You can disagree with God's inspired Word where He frequently calls out these sins where they exist. Any "'gospel" that evades dealing directly with sin, is deficient and unbiblical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 9 hours ago, shiloh357 said: That does not mean we are hardwired to sin. What is hardwired into us is what God designed us to be. Sin is a perversion of that. Flesh nature vs [spiritual]nature after coming to Christ or the moral law written in our hearts would be terms I would use to alleviate confusion in this discussion. Idk, forgive me for saying but the "hardwired to sin" is not a correct use of terms . "Flesh vs spirit" is OR the moral law written on our hearts... If anything is hardwired in us ,it is the moral law which is written in our hearts. You cant get any more hard wired than that! Blessings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swords99 Posted July 11, 2017 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 171 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 38 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Blueyedjewel said: Flesh nature vs [spiritual]nature after coming to Christ or the moral law written in our hearts would be terms I would use to alleviate confusion in this discussion. Idk, forgive me for saying but the "hardwired to sin" is not a correct use of terms . "Flesh vs spirit" is OR the moral law written on our hearts... If anything is hardwired in us ,it is the moral law which is written in our hearts. You cant get any more hard wired than that! Blessings Amen. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkingMyFishLikeABoss Posted July 11, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 190 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 89 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Jeff2 said: If Christians are hardwired to sin, God is a failure! Regeneration, conversion, and being Born-Again are a farce. All commands in Scripture that tell us not to sin, are never met with an expectation of failure. Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy... Jude v.24 Genetically determined or compelled, is what it means to be hardwired as a human. Your observations here are very well put. This subject is something that when I went looking is found in Atheist forums. This found at Google, http://www.google.com/search?q=humans+hardwired+to+sin&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 And this at a science site: http://www.sciencefocus.com/feature/psychology/human-brain-hardwired-sin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 10 minutes ago, WalkingMyFishLikeABoss said: Genetically determined or compelled, is what it means to be hardwired as a human. Your observations here are very well put. This subject is something that when I went looking is found in Atheist forums. This found at Google, http://www.google.com/search?q=humans+hardwired+to+sin&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 And this at a science site: http://www.sciencefocus.com/feature/psychology/human-brain-hardwired-sin So you are saying genetics determines what is in our hearts? I see the fallacy that falls dead as soon as it is stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkingMyFishLikeABoss Posted July 11, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 190 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 89 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2017 9 minutes ago, Blueyedjewel said: So you are saying genetics determines what is in our hearts? I see the fallacy that falls dead as soon as it is stated. Saying that doesn't make it reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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