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On ‎12‎/‎23‎/‎2017 at 1:41 AM, Waggles said:

YES you have not received the gift of tongues but rather you have received the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

You have been baptized in the Holy Spirit. 

When a person genuinely receives the Holy Spirit the Bible evidence for this is praying in tongues. 

It is your personal prayer language whereby the Holy Spirit and your spirit join together and directly 

communicates to Jesus and your Father. 

It is powerful and wholesome, and will deliver to you many blessings, healings and miracles. 

Pray in the morning - half an hour is a good start. Pray also at other times as you can.

The Holy Spirit is a Spirit of power and will help teach you of Jesus and the gospel. 

Do not confuse the sign given to believers when they receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, as opposed 

to the gift of diversity of tongues - which is a voice gift that operates at a worship meeting (to be 

followed by interpretation). 

You will now also need to be water baptized by full immersion to complement your Holy Spirit 

baptism. You must be born new by water and the Spirit. 

Start reading your NT with fresh eyes and the Spirit will give you understanding. 

Pray to Jesus to lead you to a Pentecostal church that has His blessing and approval. 

Welcome to the body of Christ and the church of God. 

I agree with you that this is the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, not the gift of tongues.  Paul spoke of praying in the tongues of men and of angels.  He said he would pray in the Spirit and with the understanding.  Praying is not the same as giving out a message to the church that requires and interpreter.  We don't always know what we should pray for, but the Spirit does, so you are given a prayer language that you cannot understand, and the Spirit will pray through you directly to God for your true needs, and also to give praise to God.  MG mentioned not needing an intercessor.  We don't in the sense of having to go before a Priest to confess our sins, and have him pray to God on our behalf.  That is not the reason for tongues.  I am Pentecostal, so I understand what is taking place, and it is real.  

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On 10/1/2017 at 9:09 PM, Guest said:

Speaking in tongues is a different language that other human beings speak and it was used to preach to those whom spoke a different language. . It is also to be used in the order that scripture dictates and that is with interpreters.  All other tongues is NOT biblical.

 

Hello Guest

There are in addition to known tongues which you indicate tongues of angles.  I Cor. 13:1 If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

Notice that it is possible to speak in tongues without any profit.  If someone is speaking in either known or unknown tongues without love there is no profit to the individual, they are just making noise.  

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On ‎9‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 1:27 AM, GApeach678 said:

About 7 months ago I was laying down and praying in the back of my truck and I had my first experience with tongues in my entire 5 year Christian walk... all of a sudden my tongue started to ''roll'' in my mouth and my jaw started making strange movements... then I just blurted out tongues for about 5-10 seconds and that was it. I had never done it before that or even desired to.

 

About a week ago I prayed for the gift of tongues but didn't think too much about it. Today, while I was praying out loud regularly, I started talking with a lisp... and for a few minutes I started sticking my tongue out of my mouth, unable to speak clearly, almost spitting everywhere, I had no idea what was going on... then the praying in tongues came out again, this time for over 20 minutes.

Do I have the gift of tongues? Or are these just random occurrences? What was your experience with tongues like? I can't do it on command, it seems to be only spirit led... Is this normal?

Please follow my new thread "You should strive to speak in tongues.'  Here let me just say this: I am a lifelong charismatic and have both spoken in authentic tongues and in retrospect realize that I somes spoke in tongues "of the flesh."  But in one of my most convincing early instances, the experience was the most electrifying and life-changing experience of my life.  I will describe it in my thread.  I'm convinced that the real thing can be so convincing, so poserful, so loving, and so life-changing that it makes it worthwhile to wade through all the false manifestations to get to the real thing.  In fact, I'm so skeptical by nature that I doubt I would even be a Christian today, were it not for one particular tongues experience.  In that experience a Lutheran pastor interrupted me and told me that he didn't believe in tongues.  But I simply touched him gently and the Holy Spirit overpowered him and he literally exploded in tongues!

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On 9/5/2017 at 3:39 PM, KiwiChristian said:

Tongues were classed as one of the lowest gifts. 
    In 1 Corinthians 12:28 tongues are mentioned last in a list of 8 gifts. These are ranked in order of importance because we have "first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues." 
2.     God gives the gifts "according to his own will," not according to our seeking. 
    "Gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will." Hebrews 2:4. 
    1 Corinthians 12:8-11 lists 9 gifts, the last being tongues and interpretation of tongues: 

"For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; to another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gift of healing by the same spirit,…. But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will."

Note: Tongues were spoken on 3 occasions in Acts (2:4; 10:46; 19:6), but on none of these occasions are the recipients seeking, waiting or expecting to speak in tongues. At Pentecost, only the Apostles (12) spoke in tongues, but all who were saved (3000) received the Holy Spirit (2:38,39).

a)     "Covet earnestly the best gifts”(12:31); tongues are not the best gifts, but one of the least gifts.14:1 
b)     Spiritual gifts could be desired (14:1) but not claimed in faith as a birthright. There is no command to seek them. 
3.    Most modern tongues are a learned behaviour. 

The gifts do come from God and God does not give junk.  All the gifts of God are good and perfect.

James 1: 16 Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters. 17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.

Even if it is the least of the gifts it is still a good gift and for purpose.  The purpose that we cannot quantify or qualify in our carnal minds.

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On 6/12/2018 at 9:36 AM, seeking the lost said:

The gifts do come from God and God does not give junk.  All the gifts of God are good and perfect.

James 1: 16 Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters. 17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.

Even if it is the least of the gifts it is still a good gift and for purpose.  The purpose that we cannot quantify or qualify in our carnal minds.

You are missing the point.

 

You are ASSUMING God has given this person this "gift".

 

Sorry, gibber-gabber is NOT "tongues".

 

 

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On 6/15/2018 at 4:42 AM, KiwiChristian said:

You are missing the point.

 

You are ASSUMING God has given this person this "gift".

 

Sorry, gibber-gabber is NOT "tongues".

 

 

The day of Pentecost was the day that the gift was manifest and on that day there were many that mocked.  The account of that day is given in the book of Acts chapter two.

The Holy Spirit Comes at Pentecost

2 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place.2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.

5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. 7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? 9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” 12 Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?”

13 Some, however, made fun of them and said, “They have had too much wine.”

Peter Addresses the Crowd

14 Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say. 15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

Notice that Peter addresses the group that thought these were drunk with wine.  These people were sure that what they heard was gibber-gabber such as when someone has to much wine.

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On 6/15/2018 at 4:42 AM, KiwiChristian said:

You are missing the point.

 

You are ASSUMING God has given this person this "gift".

 

Sorry, gibber-gabber is NOT "tongues".

 

 

I've read all your posts from the beginning and have a question for you. When you hear someone speaking a language you don't understand - say in the heart of Africa, does it NOT sound like gibberish or fast mubblings? Well, guess what? God understands them.

The key verse that all passages MUST line up with, including Acts 2, is at the beginning of the chapter on  the difference between the two manifestations of tongues from the Spirit. 1 Corinthians 14:2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

The things that you have been claiming about tongues, completely go against this rule, and it is time your thinking adjusts to line up with Scripture.

You claim a human person who knows the language spoken must be present.  Can't you see how your statement flies in complete opposition to the rule? And how your breaking the rule colors your whole belief on all other passages in Acts? By the way, 1 Corinthians was written around 15 years before Luke wrote Acts. I would wager you believe that in Acts 2, the apostles who were speaking in tongues were speaking the different languages of the devout Jews, and those Jews heard their own languages naturally? That is not what it says, but your colored glasses may erroneously see it that way. Contradicting a rule will have a domino affect on your understanding anything on the subject.

What is funny is there are even Pentecostals who believe as you do. They try to make their understanding of Acts 2, which comes first in the NT, and make the rule line up with the story, instead of the other way around.😮

 

 

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10 hours ago, Philadelphianlady said:

I've read all your posts from the beginning and have a question for you. When you hear someone speaking a language you don't understand - say in the heart of Africa, does it NOT sound like gibberish or fast mubblings? Well, guess what? God understands them.

 

Of course. it is a KNOWN language. It will be Swahili, AMHARIC, YORUBA, OROMO, HAUSA, etc.

 

gibber gabber is NOT a KNOWN language.

 

 

10 hours ago, Philadelphianlady said:

The key verse that all passages MUST line up with, including Acts 2, is at the beginning of the chapter on  the difference between the two manifestations of tongues from the Spirit. 1 Corinthians 14:2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

"in the spirit he speaks mysteries." Have you heard the phrase "in the spirit of friendship", "in the spirit of love", etc?

 

10 hours ago, Philadelphianlady said:

The things that you have been claiming about tongues, completely go against this rule, and it is time your thinking adjusts to line up with Scripture.

You claim a human person who knows the language spoken must be present.  Can't you see how your statement flies in complete opposition to the rule? And how your breaking the rule colors your whole belief on all other passages in Acts? By the way, 1 Corinthians was written around 15 years before Luke wrote Acts. I would wager you believe that in Acts 2, the apostles who were speaking in tongues were speaking the different languages of the devout Jews, and those Jews heard their own languages naturally? That is not what it says, but your colored glasses may erroneously see it that way. Contradicting a rule will have a domino affect on your understanding anything on the subject.

What is funny is there are even Pentecostals who believe as you do. They try to make their understanding of Acts 2, which comes first in the NT, and make the rule line up with the story, instead of the other way around.😮

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, KiwiChristian said:

gibber gabber is NOT a KNOWN language.

But that's the point! Tongues are legitimate languages, but a person of that language doesn't have to be there. You don't know EVERY language of earth or heaven. That's the danger of calling a language "gibber babber" when you are ignorant of a thousand languages that sound that way to us not of that region, or even that ancient age. What language did Adam speak? What language do the angels speak to each other? Are they mute?

10 hours ago, KiwiChristian said:

"in the spirit he speaks mysteries." Have you heard the phrase "in the spirit of friendship", "in the spirit of love", etc?

Are you kidding?

As for the rest of your post. You quoted what else I said, but with no comment.

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On 6/9/2018 at 8:05 PM, MadHermit said:

Please follow my new thread "You should strive to speak in tongues.'  Here let me just say this: I am a lifelong charismatic and have both spoken in authentic tongues and in retrospect realize that I somes spoke in tongues "of the flesh."  But in one of my most convincing early instances, the experience was the most electrifying and life-changing experience of my life.  I will describe it in my thread.  I'm convinced that the real thing can be so convincing, so poserful, so loving, and so life-changing that it makes it worthwhile to wade through all the false manifestations to get to the real thing.  In fact, I'm so skeptical by nature that I doubt I would even be a Christian today, were it not for one particular tongues experience.  In that experience a Lutheran pastor interrupted me and told me that he didn't believe in tongues. 

 

27 REASONS WHY CHRISTIANS SHOULD NEITHER SEEK NOR DESIRE TONGUES.

The Charismatic Movement contends that:


i)     The New Testament gift of tongues should be sought and spoken by ALL Christians today. They seek to revive all gifts, but none are given so great importance as tongues. 

ii)     The tongues gift is the true Biblical sign of the "Baptism in the Spirit." 
iii)     Those receiving tongues receive a second blessing after salvation, enabling them to live more sanctified, powerful and joyful witnessing lives. 
iv)     The tongues movement is claimed to be the "latter rain" revival foretold in Joel 
2:23.

We must test all religious movements on the basis of:
a)     Their doctrines. 2 Timothy 4:2,3 
b)     Their fruits. Matthew 7:15,16 

c)     Their spirits or powers behind a movement. “Test the spirits.” 1 John 4:1-4.. 

Note the following reasons why tongues are not needed for Christians today:

1.     Tongues were classed as one of the lowest gifts. 
    In 1 Corinthians 12:28 tongues are mentioned last in a list of 8 gifts. These are ranked in order of importance because we have "first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues." 
2.     God gives the gifts "according to his own will," not according to our seeking. 
    "Gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will." Hebrews 2:4. 
    1 Corinthians 12:8-11 lists 9 gifts, the last being tongues and interpretation of tongues: 

"For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; to another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gift of healing by the same spirit,…. But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will."

Note: Tongues were spoken on 3 occasions in Acts (2:4; 10:46; 19:6), but on none of these occasions are the recipients seeking, waiting or expecting to speak in tongues. At Pentecost, only the Apostles (12) spoke in tongues, but all who were saved (3000) received the Holy Spirit (2:38,39).

a)     "Covet earnestly the best gifts”(12:31); tongues are not the best gifts, but one of the least gifts.14:1 
b)     Spiritual gifts could be desired (14:1) but not claimed in faith as a birthright. There is no command to seek them. 
3.     Most modern tongues are a learned behaviour. 

    People are told to blank out their mind and say whatever comes out; then go home and practice it. This is foreign to the New Testament. 
4.     Tongues speakers may be deceived. 
    Because a person speaks unintelligible sounds, it is not proof that he has the N.T. gift of tongues. Few Charismatics are prepared to examine tongues. We must “prove all things” (1 Thess. 5:21). How do you prove that tongues are genuine languages? In 1 Corinthians 14:27-29, Paul discusses wrong tongues which are not interpreted in the church, and wrong prophecy, thus teaching that others need to judge a prophecy. Tongues have been spoken by heathen religions, Mormons, etc.. 

5.     Tongues were a sign of God's wrath, displeasure and judgment on unbelieving Israel, never a sign of His blessing and approval on Christians. 
    "Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe,but to them that believe not"1 Cor.14:22 

a)     Acts 10:44-47; 11:16-18. Tongues used by Cornelius' household was a sign to unbelieving Peter and unbelieving Jewish Christians, that Gentiles were to be received into the family of God. In Acts 11:15 the phrase "as on us at the beginning" means that tongues had not been spoken since Pentecost which was 10 years earlier. 

b)     "Forbid not to speak in tongues" (1 Corinthians 14:39) was always on the understanding that tongues was a valid sign to warn Jewish unbelievers, until judgment came in 70AD. You don’t warn people after judgment has come. 
c)     In meetings where there were no unbelieving Jews, all teaching, praying etc. was to be in the language of those present (1 Corinthians 14:23-28). 1 Corinthians 14:19 states that in the church, 5 words understood are better than 10,000 words in tongues that are not understood. 
d)     Israel wanted signs, but the church must live by faith. “An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign.” (Matthew 12:39). 
e)     The Corinthians were using tongues as a mark of spirituality, for personal gratification, and to gain attention. Paul rebukes this childish, selfish practice. 
6.     Tongues is one of several temporary gifts. 
i)     Apostles. "are built upon the foundation of the apostles 
ii)     Prophets, …and prophets." Ephesians 2:20. 
    Neither they nor the Lord appointed any successors to their office. "12 apostles of the Lamb." (Revelation 21:14). There are no Apostles or prophets alive today. 
iii)     Knowledge. This was intuitive, revealed knowledge of doctrine before the Bible was completed. A completed, perfect Bible ended this gift along with prophecy in 96AD.1 Corinthians 13:8-13. Today we must study to gain Bible knowledge. 2 Timothy 2:15. (1 Corinthians 14:21,22. 
iv)     Tongues. With the setting aside of Israel in 70 AD, tongues and other sign gifts ceased. 
v)     Interpretation of tongues - ceased in 70 AD when tongues ceased. 

iv) Gifts of healing. Paul lost this gift, as he could not heal Epaphroditus in 64AD (Phil. 2:26,27), Timothy's stomach in 65AD (1 Timothy 5:23) nor Trophimus in 66AD (2 Timothy 4:20). In Acts 5:12-16, Peter healed every one in 33 AD.

vii)     Gift of miracles -no one can work miracles today at their will as could the first century apostles. 
viii)     Discerning of spirits - no one today has this gift because discernment comes through Bible knowledge of strong meat, full age Christians who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil (Hebrews 5:14). No one today would claim infallible judgment always in every issue of life, which is what this gift demands (1 Corinthians 12:10). 

7.     Historically, tongues ceased after 63-70 AD. 
    Tongues were withdrawn when Israel deliberately rejected the apostles testimony of Christ, as seen in Acts 28:22-28 where Paul pronounces God's judgment on Israel (63AD). Judgment fell in 70AD. In all New Testament epistles written after this pronouncement in 63AD (Romans; Ephesians; Philippians; Colossians; 1 & 2 Timothy; Titus; Philemon; Hebrews; 1&2 Peter; John; 1,2 & 3 John; Jude and Revelation) there is no mention of tongues. Why? Because with the setting aside of Israel, and the 
confirming of the word of God, sign gifts were no longer necessary. These facts of the gospel and the apostles message of the Bible having been established, confirmed, and authenticated for all time, it is now an act of unbelief to seek for signs today.

Early church writers such as Polycarp, Papias, Cyprian, Chrysostom, Augustine, Origen, Clement of Rome, Justin Martyr etc. never mentioned tongues. Why? Because they had been withdrawn. Chrysostom says: "tongues....used to occur, but now no longer take place."

8.     Modern tongues and Charismatic Movement is not another Pentecost or "latter rain" of Joel 2:23. 

    Joel's prophecy discusses Israel's restoration to their land in the Millennium. When this happens, and not before, the Holy Spirit will be poured out on all flesh. What happened at Pentecost was only an illustration, a small sample of what will happen in the Millennium. At Pentecost, there were no signs in the sun, moon etc, thus indicating that Joel's prophecy is to be fulfilled in the future Millennium. Joel said nothing about tongues being a sign of renewal. This age will end in apostasy and departure from the Faith, not in Joel's revival. KEY: “Afterward” in Joel 2:28 means that the Spirit will be poured on all flesh after Christ’s second coming, and not before. 

9.     Tongues is not a sign of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. 

    "For by one Spirit are we all baptised into one body." 1 Corinthians 12:13. 
i)     All believers have the Holy Spirit Baptism. 
    "If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." Romans 8:9. 
ii)     All believers have the Holy Spirit, but few believers spoke in tongues. 

If we have received Jesus Christ as Saviour, we also have the Holy Spirit in us, because we cannot separate members of the Godhead.

10.     Tongues were never intended to edify the speaker himself or the church. 
i)     "He that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort," 
1
Corinthians 14:3.
"For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted." 1
Corinthians 14:31.

The edification, exhortation, learning and comfort of the local church was always the responsibility of the one who prophesied (gave instruction in an understandable language).

ii)     "He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself," (1 Corinthians 14:4) does not teach that personal holiness is found in tongues speaking. On the contrary it describes the Corinthians selfishness who used tongues for personal pleasure and public display. Tongues speaking in a church does not instruct, edify, warn or strengthen believers. Holiness through tongues will always be shallow because it is based on feelings, not on Biblical edification. 
iii)     Of all the tongues spoken today, new prophesies, new revelations and visions, not one iota of truth have been added to the inspired scriptures. 
11.     Tongues were never intended for prayer, praise or worship of God. 

    "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the Spirit he speaketh mysteries." 1 Corinthians 14:2. 

    God does not need to be spoken to in a foreign language. This verse teaches that the Corinthians were using the gift of tongues out of place. Tongues were meant to be spoken to men, that is to JEWS. A person praying or singing in tongues simply spoke 
"mysteries" in his own spirit. He received no real benefit, the hearers were not helped, and God was not glorified. Prayer and praise must be with understanding in the common language. "What is it then? I will pray with the Spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also.....Else.....how shall.....the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks?" 1 Corinthians 14:15,16.

This is not two different kinds of prayer, but two conditions of all prayer, praying in the leading of the Holy Spirit and with an understanding mind. If understanding is not present, hearers cannot say "Amen" to your prayer.

12.     Tongues is not a sign of salvation. 

    Assurance of salvation comes from faith in God’s Bible promises, not from any feelings of tongues. 
13.     Tongues is not a condition of keeping us saved. 
    Pentecostalism, as a movement, does not believe in the eternal security of the believer who trusts in Christ alone for salvation. Many Charismatics think that their future preservation depends on continuing in the Charismatic experience. Many fear of grieving the Spirit and losing the power, and hence losing salvation. Some Charismatics do believe in the security of a believer in Christ. 

14.     Tongues are not a means of attaining holiness. 

    The nine fruit of the Spirit in Galatians 5:22,23 have no relation to tongues. The Corinthians came behind in no gift (I Corinthians 1:7), yet Paul called them carnal and babes (1 Corinthians 3:1). True spirituality is not determined by one's experience, gift or feelings, but by inner godly character (e.g. 1 Peter 3:4, "a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price", for ladies.) It is right to be happy, joyful and to praise the Lord, but valuable character is better seen in times of testing, persecution, misunderstanding and suffering. 

15.     All spiritual gifts should exalt Christ, not the Holy Spirit. 

    Many Charismatics exalt the Holy Spirit above Christ. The Holy Spirit seeks to exalt Christ (John 15:26; 16:14). Hence the mark of a Spirit filled believer is that in life and speech, he glorifies Christ. (1 Corinthians 12:3). 

    “Christ shall be magnified in my body." Philippians 1:20; 3:8. 
    All gifts are given so that we may grow to the "fullness of Christ." Ephesians 4:13. Charismatics use the earthly, human title "Jesus", as did demons. No disciple ever addressed the Lord as "Jesus", but as Lord, Christ or Master, or Lord Jesus Christ. Let us give Christ His full honour as the Lord Jesus Christ. 

16.     All gifts were given to produce church unity and harmony. 
    All gifts were given that there be no schism in the body (1 Corinthians 12:25). Truth unites, error divides. The continual search for tongues, healing, prophecy, gifts etc., has split many churches, broken friendships and divided homes. The Charismatic Movement claims a new kind of unity not based on Bible doctrine, but on having the tongues experience. One can be a "spirit-filled" tongues speaker and believe almost anything. Many Christians who a few years ago opposed the heretical World Council of Churches, now cheerfully unite with Catholic Charismatic renewal, hence compromising essential Bible truths. 

17.     Tongues and all spiritual gifts were to promote order and peace. 

    "God is not the author of confusion but of peace." 1 Corinthians 14:33. "Let all things be done decently and in order." 1 Corinthians 14:40. 
    Church services should have one person speaking or praying at a time. In today's Charismatic meetings, there is much unrestrained noise, singing, clapping, shouting, tongues and dancing. 
18.     No Christian should surrender control of his mind and will. 

    Paul insisted that tongues and prophecy speakers should retain control of their mind and understanding: 
    "If there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church." 1 Corinthians 14:28. "The spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets." 1 Corinthians 14:32. Famous Charismatic leader, Oral Roberts, instructs tongues speakers as follows: 

    "We have to by-pass our mind and make it inactive for the moment. The mind slips into the background when we are praying in tongues and remains in a state of neutrality." [“Baptism With The Holy Spirit,” 1966, p. 42.] 
    New Age occult seminars similarly tell people to blank out their minds to yield control to some higher force, which in reality is to demons. 
    The New Testament never asks us to lay aside our sound mind, our self-control, our judgment or our reason, but to exercise these faculties in accordance with God's Word. Charismatics are told to overcome their inhibitions by by-passing their minds. People are brainwashed in cults like Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons and the Charismatic Movement by surrendering their minds and wills to the group or leader. The danger for a believer who submits his mind without resistance to outside influences to receive tongues, is: 

a)     He opens himself up to psychic and demonic deception and control. 
b)     He can place himself beyond the protection of the Holy Spirit, by asking for things contrary to God's will. 
19.     The last days will be characterised by deception, signs, lying wonders and more demon activity 

    Satan has always opposed believers and God's work. Satan opposes us as an angel of light (2 Cor. 11:14). The Corinthian believers were open to Satanic deception of another Jesus, another spirit, and another gospel (11:4) as Satan’s ministers come as ministers of righteousness (11:15). 
    "There shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." (Matthew 24:24). 
    In Old Testament times God permitted false prophets to work miracles in order to test His people. 
    Two tests of false prophets are: 
a)     If he performs signs to turn you away from the Lord. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5). 
b)     If he speaks in the name of the Lord, but the prophecy does not come to pass. (Deut.18:20-22). 
Isaiah 8:19 describes familiar spirits that "peep and mutter", like tongues.
Israel rejected the Word of God for more sensational dealings with the spirit world. Many see the Charismatic Movement as a Satanic deception permitted by God to test Christendom, and to pave the way for the Antichrist and the one world united Babylon religion of the last days.
"Even him (Antichrist) whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness....." 2 Thessalonians 2: 9,10. "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me ye that work iniquity." (Matthew 7:22,23).

20.     Charismatics confuse Baptism in the Spirit (a once only experience at salvation -1 Cor. 12:13) with the filling of the Spirit (a continual daily experience for service obtained by confessing sin, prayer, and yielding to Christ. (Ephesians 5:18). 
21.     Doctrinal compromise. 

    Ministers who deny fundamental Bible truths such as the virgin birth, verbal inspiration, creation, etc. are often warmly welcomed and accepted if they claim a Charismatic experience. Charismatics warmly accept Roman Catholic priests and people who continue to seek salvation through the sacraments, who still pray to Mary, and still celebrate the mass. Doctrinal errors are ignored to keep Charismatic unity. 

22.     Most Charismatics are not diligent students of Scripture. 

    One can remain comfortable in his false beliefs as long as he refuses to face Biblical evidence to the contrary. One Australian Charismatic pastor could not find the book of Daniel in his Bible. He had to look up the table of contents. He thought Daniel was near Exodus. 

23.     Emphasis on Experience. 
    Personal experience is a great enemy of truth. When confronted with a mass of Biblical evidence, most Charismatics typically reply: "I know I am right. I have experienced tongues or healing myself. I have seen a prophet make correct predictions. I have seen people healed. The Bible teachings must have another explanation." 
    Tongues is mostly a learned behaviour. If you blank out your mind, anyone can say gibberish. Most healings are temporary and are achieved by hypnotherapy. What about the false predictions? These make him a false prophet. Studies show that most Charismatic healings revert back to the illness. Hypnotise a person, tell them they feel better, and they will feel better, for a time, but later they revert back to the illness. 

24.     New Revelations. 

    Charismatics continually claim to receive extra-Biblical revelations from God by tongues, prophecy, visions and dreams. Cults and Catholicism also claim revelations outside the Bible. 
25.     Damage to the local church. 

    Many Charismatics use a local church as a base for propaganda purposes to invite people to a home Bible study and prayer group governed by self-appointed spiritual leaders who instruct in tongues and try to heal people. A local church seems too confined, compared with many people from many churches coming together for a Charismatic rally. 

26.     Laxity and moral danger. 

    Some Charismatics think that they have "arrived" spiritually. They often lack motivation to press on further. The goal has been attained. Time for relaxation has come. Such carelessness explains much worldliness, sin and a rock music party atmosphere among Charismatics. Some receive "revelations" to divorce their spouse and remarry another person. Truth and reason then take a back seat. 

27.     Move back to Rome. 

    The Charismatic Movement reversed the decline of the Ecumenical Movement from 1960. It is not a threat to Rome. Both emphasise emotionalism, miracles, healing, and the lack of final Bible authority. Charismaticism is not true Protestantism because it is not solely based on the Bible. 

 

 

On 6/9/2018 at 8:05 PM, MadHermit said:

But I simply touched him gently and the Holy Spirit overpowered him and he literally exploded in tongues!

Oh, it was spirit. No doubt about that.

 

So, were you able to interpret or was it gibberish?

 

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