Robert William Posted September 30, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 612 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 93 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 30, 2017 27 minutes ago, OneLight said: You are repeating yourself. What do you think the word world ( kosmos G2889) means in John 3:16a then? For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son Scripturally speaking it means the world of the elect believers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted September 30, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted September 30, 2017 Just now, Robert William said: Scripturally speaking it means the world of the elect believers. It means what is said, the world. There is no secret spiritual meaning as you claim. May I ask if you of the Gnostic faith? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert William Posted September 30, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 612 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 93 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, OneLight said: It means what is said, the world. There is no secret spiritual meaning as you claim. May I ask if you of the Gnostic faith? It means much more than Cosmos, the definition for Cosmos in the greek means only the planet earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted September 30, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted September 30, 2017 Just now, Robert William said: It means much more than Cosmos, the definition for Cosmos in the greek means only the planet earth. I suggest you dig much deeper. Kosmos - the simple definition: an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3 the world, the universe the circle of the earth, the earth the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc) God did not sacrifice His Son for the definition 1. 2. 3. 4. 7. or 8, for none of them have committed sins That leaves only definitions 5 and 6. I could also quote you much more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert William Posted September 30, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 612 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 93 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, OneLight said: I suggest you dig much deeper. Kosmos - the simple definition: an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3 the world, the universe the circle of the earth, the earth the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc) God did not sacrifice His Son for the definition 1. 2. 3. 4. 7. or 8, for none of them have committed sins That leaves only definitions 5 and 6. I could also quote you much more. I already said it means much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted September 30, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted September 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Robert William said: I already said it means much more. You said "the world" ... It means much more than Cosmos, the definition for Cosmos in the greek means only the planet earth. It means much more than the planet earth, as you claim, yes. Yet, you claimed it did not, that it only meant the planet earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinitin Posted September 30, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,366 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,150 Days Won: 9 Joined: 01/10/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Robert William said: Joh 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: Joh 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Joh 3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? Joh 3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? Joh 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. What does any of that have to do with your argument? "a convert being made by God and disciple being made by man?" Are all apostals diciples of Christ but not all diciples are apostals a true statement? because The apostal were diciples of Christ including Paul and I promise you they were not made disciples or apostals by man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sower Posted September 30, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 14 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,265 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,880 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/09/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted September 30, 2017 8 hours ago, Robert William said: That can't mean everybody was Atoned for, it that were true nobody would end up in Hell, either their sins are Atoned for or they are not, which one are you teaching?? Picture an ocean with people in the ocean, swimming, trying to stay afloat. Now comes a man in a row boat, and he throws life preservers enough for EVERYBODY. EVERYBODY. But not everybody reaches out and takes a the life saving preserver. Many drown. Many lives lost, even when the saving life preservers were within their reach. THEY chose not. Then the sea was calm, with millions of life preservers floating, empty. (UNUSED) .....Get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinitin Posted September 30, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,366 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,150 Days Won: 9 Joined: 01/10/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 33 minutes ago, Gary Lee said: Picture an ocean with people in the ocean, swimming, trying to stay afloat. Now comes a man in a row boat, and he throws life preservers enough for EVERYBODY. EVERYBODY. But not everybody reaches out and takes a the life saving preserver. Many drown. Many lives lost, even when the saving life preservers were within their reach. THEY chose not. Then the sea was calm, with millions of life preservers floating, empty. (UNUSED) .....Get it? yeah, never heard before either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted September 30, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted September 30, 2017 On 9/28/2017 at 7:58 PM, Fidei Defensor said: This has bothered me since I first saw you post it. Are you implying that a believer cannot be a disciple of Christ and that a disciple of Christ is not a believer, that they are either one or the other? I would appreciate an explanation. I know this represents an old RCC symbol: I am not sure what this represents though: Celtic cross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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