Reinitin Posted September 29, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,366 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,150 Days Won: 9 Joined: 01/10/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 3 hours ago, Fidei Defensor said: Amen. Discipleship was crucial. The Apostle Paul didn't just convert Timothy, he made him a disciple and then Timothy grew into an apostle. Discipleship is missed in Americano churches, which focus on making converts and cashing in on the new converts (literally $$$). We were called by Christ not to just share the Gospel and leave them alone without any further instruction, guidance, and help. It was suppose to be relational-teaching, a person is converted and the Evangelist then disciples that person and welcomes them into their home, coffee shop, and more; discipleship is a family of disciples of Christ, a nucleus of a breathing and living church, but instead it has become the stadium, tent revival, and en masse preaching of the evangelion, but not accountability afterwards. The Apostles Peter, Paul, James, and John all followed up on churches they established, encouraging, correcting, and checking in on those disciples who had their own apostle on site. This was discipleship by letters, and we do it today via this forum, blogs, social media, emails, texts, and beyond. Thank you for bringing this up Reintin. Im glad you liked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinitin Posted September 29, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,366 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,150 Days Won: 9 Joined: 01/10/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 9 hours ago, TheAimes87 said: I really really like this! Thanks for sharing! Im so glad you enjoyed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinitin Posted September 29, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,366 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,150 Days Won: 9 Joined: 01/10/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 9 hours ago, Yowm said: Making disciples has been given to man, making converts is God's job... But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (Joh 1:12-13) I don't know. Looks like the convert part may come before the Lords work in us. Acts 28:27 For the hearts of these people have grown callous, their ears are hard of hearing, and they have shut their eyes; otherwise they might see with their eyes and hear with their ears, understand with their heart, and be converted, and I would heal them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinitin Posted September 29, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,366 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,150 Days Won: 9 Joined: 01/10/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 7 hours ago, Robert William said: Yowm, do you realize that verse blows free will out of the water. good work:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinitin Posted September 29, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,366 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,150 Days Won: 9 Joined: 01/10/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 14 hours ago, OneLight said: I have a gift for you. I reach out to give it to you. It is in my hand. All you need to do is reach out to accept it from me. Same thing when it come to salvation. God has a gift for you. His Son died in your place. He is reaching out to give it to you. If you don't reach out and take it, it is not yours. You see, we have a relationship with God. In a relationship, there is always two or more doing their part. His part was to make a way. Ours is to accept the way. If we don't accept the gift, it is not ours. Let's break Ephesians 2:8-9 down. 1For by grace you have been saved through faith, 2and that not of yourselves; 3it is the gift of God, 4not of works, lest anyone should boast. 1. Gods grace toward us, the sacrifice of Jesus in our place, is what He put in place so we had a way to enter from death to life. It is through faith that we believe this is true. 2. We can never ever do enough to make ourselves good enough to be accepted by God. 3. God freely gave His only begotten Son as a sacrifice of our sins. Only His blood can cover our sinfulness. This is His gift toward His creation. 4. Like #2, there is nothing we can do to cover our sins. Yet, we do have to believe through faith and accept the work Jesus did for us. If we did not have the ability to chose Christ, then those who are saved are no more than puppets. 1 Corinthians 13:4-8a tells us what true love is about. Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails. Read these words carefully and think about each detail. His love toward us has to be accepted by us and is never forced upon us, or it would not by the agape love scripture speaks of. We have a choice so God can spend eternity with only those who love Him back. He could of make us to love Him perfectly, but that would not be the love He deserves. I love 1 Cor 13. I needed to see that today. Thank You. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinitin Posted September 29, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,366 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,150 Days Won: 9 Joined: 01/10/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 6 hours ago, Robert William said: Scripture says "nor the will of the flesh" but you say mans so-called free will can embrace the gospel. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (Joh 1:12-13) Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. my opinion the reach at John 1 is out of context and twisting the meaning of that scripture to make a statement and meaninh it is not addressing. Its heavenly birth conseption of spirit not flesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinitin Posted September 29, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,366 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,150 Days Won: 9 Joined: 01/10/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Yowm said: You use this verse a lot but it proves neither side's case. The verse is speaking of the born again believer vs the unregenerate in understanding the things of God. How and why one becomes born again is the issue. why is there 2 sides but One Christ who was offered for all that would call on him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinitin Posted September 29, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,366 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,150 Days Won: 9 Joined: 01/10/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 3 hours ago, Robert William said: Jesus did not Atone for ALL humans, scripture does NOT teach universal salvation. Also, scripture teaches that the natural man considers the gospel to be foolishness, so why would he choose it?? 1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually 1 John does He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted September 29, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 165 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 1.56 Reputation: 2,607 Days Won: 15 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Reinitin said: Im glad you liked it. I did very much. The only thing we need to be careful of in discipleship is "lording over" like the Shepherding Movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepherding_Movement) Cult did that destroyed people with its overbearing view of covenant making. We need to remember disciples at some point graduate, Jesus sent out the disciples two by tow, and Paul sent out Timothy to churches (hence 1 and 2 Timothy, Epistles). Discipleship should make disciples, then those disciples should make disciples and so on; not people perpetually stuck as disciples who never go forth and make their own disciples. Edited September 29, 2017 by Fidei Defensor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinitin Posted September 29, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,366 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,150 Days Won: 9 Joined: 01/10/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Fidei Defensor said: I did very much. The only thing we need to be careful of in discipleship is "lording over" like the Shepherding Movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepherding_Movement) Cult did that destroyed people with its overbearing view of covenant making. We need to remember disciples at some point graduate, Jesus sent out the disciples two by tow, and Paul sent out Timothy to churches (hence 1 and 2 Timothy, Epistles). Discipleship should make disciples, then those disciples should make disciples and so on; not people perpetually stuck as disciples who never go forth and make their own disciples. Make Diciples of Christ their is One Lord. All I know is false teachers, prophets and blind hypocrits that would rather lead people to hell them humble themselfs and wait on the Lord and confirm all they are told or admit they could be wrong Need Christ. 7 hours ago, Fidei Defensor said: I did very much. The only thing we need to be careful of in discipleship is "lording over" like the Shepherding Movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepherding_Movement) Cult did that destroyed people with its overbearing view of covenant making. We need to remember disciples at some point graduate, Jesus sent out the disciples two by tow, and Paul sent out Timothy to churches (hence 1 and 2 Timothy, Epistles). Discipleship should make disciples, then those disciples should make disciples and so on; not people perpetually stuck as disciples who never go forth and make their own disciples. Jesus alone has the Words of eternal life. People should give a true Witness. He is not only Savior he is Lord. carnality just justify's carnality and Jesus isn't coming for the carnal church. LoL I have no idea how I split this quote. The Split has no meaning.. Edited September 29, 2017 by Reinitin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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