sniper shooting in vegas

[MorningGlory]

2 minutes ago, Yowm said:

No it shouldn't, thousands held up their cell phones lighting up the arena while singing God Bless America about an hour before the shooting. Any seeing the scuffle with the girl and security would have filmed it for a great YouTube moment. I DON'T BELIEVE ANY VIDEO EXISTS ON YOUTUBE.

It doesn't. 

[MorningGlory]

52 minutes ago, Kris said:

POLICE don’t believe the killer who orchestrated America’s deadliest mass shooting acted alone, saying they’re looking into the possibility Stephen Paddock had an accomplice.

Sheriff Joseph Lombardo of Clark County is leading the investigation into Sunday’s attack, which killed 58 people and injured 489 others, and gave a startling update today.

He said the sheer volume of weapons, careful planning and discovery of explosives pointed to the fact that “he had to have some help”.

Paddock fired thousands of rounds of bullets from broken windows on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel on the famed casino strip and as more details emerge, a picture of his meticulous organisation is emerging.

 

“You look at the weapon obtaining, the different amounts of Tannerite (explosives) available, do you think this was all accomplished on his own?” Sheriff Lombardo said.

“On face value, you’ve got to make the assumption he had to have some help at some point, and we want to ensure that that’s the answer.”

Police have uncovered almost 50 weapons and stockpiles of ammunition from the hotel room as well as Paddock’s homes.

“Maybe he’s a super guy that was working this all out on his own, but it would be hard for me to believe that,” the sheriff said.

“Here’s the reason why: Put two and two together. Another residence in Reno with several firearms, electronics and everything else associated with large amounts of ammo, a place in Mesquite, we know that he had a girlfriend. Do you think this is all self-facing? An individual, without talking to somebody, just sequestered among themselves? I mean, come on folks.”

 

Authorities have released a timeline of events from the start of Paddock’s mayhem to the moment a SWAT team blasted their way into his suite.

Paddock began firing at 10.05pm local time (4.05pm AEDT) and Sheriff Lombardo revealed first responding officers were one level below by 10.12pm and in the hallway near his room not long after.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/stephen-paddocks-australian-girlfriend-marilou-danley-still-a-person-of-interest/news-story/e7d25905a726178465e9c5941e46faa9

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I really wish everyone would wait for the investigation instead of going with their own idea of what happened.  This is getting silly.

[missmuffet]

12 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

I really wish everyone would wait for the investigation instead of going with their own idea of what happened.  This is getting silly.

Me too. Everyone is playing armchair detective. There is a lot of work they still need to do. A lot of questioning.

[ayin jade]

12 minutes ago, Davida said:

Not necessarily. It could have lasted seconds.I hope they are investigating it & hope the news crew got that young woman's contact info for Police to do a follow up with her. I find it hard to believe that someone would make up that story when moments before they were running for their lives & people were shot to death. That would take a pretty sick person to make something up like that moments after this mass shooting.

A pretty sick person (whatever his motive) was killing people. Sick people are saying they are republicans let them die without sympathy. Its not hard to think that a sick person would make up a story like this. I saw one guy go around to all the media and tell his story, word for word identically on each station. And he was not upset either. I wonder how much of what he told was truth. 

[Kris]

4 hours ago, MorningGlory said:

I really wish everyone would wait for the investigation instead of going with their own idea of what happened.  This is getting silly.

These certainly aren't my silly ideas. I'm simply posting information that is being reported...some of that information is from individuals directly involved in the investigation. Please take the time to click on the links provided so you have a better understanding.

[Kris]

 

5 hours ago, MorningGlory said:

Being in Australia, how familiar are you with the FBI? And, yes, ISIS claims any horrible act that they believe builds them up.  Please check news reports.

I didn't expect you to know so its ok, however I'm not in Australia at the moment and my intent is not to humiliate or belittle you nor am I playing "armchair detective".

I work throughout the Middle East and have done so for approx. 26 years in the security field. I spent 13 years in the military (discharged in 2003) and have worked with many US counterparts. A lot of my time now is spent in the middle east i.e. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Kurdistan, Turkey, Israel, Gaza and a few other places. I have closely followed ISIS TTP's since 2012, prior to that they were known as "Al Qaeda in Iraq" which should be common knowledge by now and my life could at times depend on knowing and forecasting certain AQ/IS tactics on any given task. In my current line of work we watch and study many of the Jihadi groups closely - ISIS, AQ, Haqqani, Taliban and many others.

I am not dogmatic that ISIS are involved, however its my experience and research that forms my opinion. ISIS, although it has at times confused itself with ownership of some attacks, (which can occur when your sympathisers and soldiers have restricted means of communications and are spread across continents), rarely claims attacks it doesn't have a hand in. The line of thought that ISIS claims any and every attack is complete fallacy to anyone who has some in-depth knowledge of the groups Modus Operandi. Consideration must also be given into IS losing ground and hence needing a victory...it would go against their recent history or MO, but at the same time cannot be totally discounted.

Lastly, when the dust settles I certainly wouldn't be surprised if this mass murderer acted alone, nor would I be surprised if he had help or was proven to have links to radicals. My point is, do not totally dismiss IS involvement just yet.

God Bless

Edited October 5, 2017 by Kris
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[Running Gator]

17 minutes ago, Kris said:

 

I didn't expect you to know so its ok, however I'm not in Australia at the moment and my intent is not to humiliate or belittle you nor am I playing "armchair detective".

I work throughout the Middle East and have done so for approx. 26 years in the security field. I spent 13 years in the military (discharged in 2003) and have worked with many US counterparts. A lot of my time now is spent in the middle east i.e. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Kurdistan, Turkey, Israel, Gaza and a few other places. I have closely followed ISIS TTP's since 2012, prior to that they were known as "Al Qaeda in Iraq" which should be common knowledge by now and my life could at times depend on knowing and forecasting certain AQ/IS tactics on any given task. In my current line of work we watch and study many of the Jihadi groups closely - ISIS, AQ, Haqqani, Taliban and many others.

I am not dogmatic that ISIS are involved, however its my experience and research that forms my opinion. ISIS, although it has at times confused itself with ownership of some attacks, (which can occur when your sympathisers and soldiers have restricted means of communications and are spread across continents), rarely claims attacks it doesn't have a hand in. The line of thought that ISIS claims any and every attack is complete fallacy to anyone who has some in-depth knowledge of the groups Modus Operandi. Consideration must also be given into IS losing ground and hence needing a victory...it would go against their recent history or MO, but at the same time cannot be totally discounted.

Lastly, when the dust settles I certainly wouldn't be surprised if this mass murderer acted alone, nor would I be surprised if he had help or was proven to have links to radicals. My point is, do not totally dismiss IS involvement just yet.

God Bless

Every Time you bring up ISIS you do their work for them in spreading terror.   Every Time you post an article from some far right conspiracy theory site you lend credence that they did it and people will believe they did no matter what comes out.  Then you throw more gas on the fire by disparaging the FBI so that when the FBI says it was not ISIS people will think they are lying. 

If it is proven that ISIS masterminded this then talk about it all you want, but all this rumor mongering prior to that happening only aids the enemy.

[ayin jade]

I read article in which the experts claimed that since isis was losing ground in the middle east, that their claims have become faulty. I posted somewhere in a thread 2 recent examples in which isis claimed responsibility for attacks that were not true. 

Im one of the last people ever to give isis a pass or view them as anything less than a real threat to anyone, muslim or not. They are a murderous foul group and I fear for folks caught within their borders. I know someone who has family within isis held territory. They are Christians. I know how bad things are. 

But so far, with this, there are so many questions, so many unusual aspects to this, that I think its premature to give isis credibility on this. There is nothing so far to indicate he was a muslim terrorist. I have my own thoughts on what his motives are but nothing has come out in the way of proof for any theory. 

[Guest shiloh357]

37 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

I read article in which the experts claimed that since isis was losing ground in the middle east, that their claims have become faulty. I posted somewhere in a thread 2 recent examples in which isis claimed responsibility for attacks that were not true. 

Im one of the last people ever to give isis a pass or view them as anything less than a real threat to anyone, muslim or not. They are a murderous foul group and I fear for folks caught within their borders. I know someone who has family within isis held territory. They are Christians. I know how bad things are. 

But so far, with this, there are so many questions, so many unusual aspects to this, that I think its premature to give isis credibility on this. There is nothing so far to indicate he was a muslim terrorist. I have my own thoughts on what his motives are but nothing has come out in the way of proof for any theory. 

Nothing about this speaks to Islamic terrorism, much less ISIS, in my opinion.   Ordinarily we have radicalized Americans making trips to the middle east, presumably to get training and to receive orders for what to do over here.  They have been found to have been on several Muslim websites and message boards and making statements on FB about their desire to murder and issuing calls for the downfall of America.

All of the stuff associated with Islamic radicalization is missing here.

It was planned out and he had a ton of help, it appears.  Not the work of a lunatic.  Motives will come out soon, I hope.

[Kris]

2 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

Nothing about this speaks to Islamic terrorism, much less ISIS, in my opinion.   Ordinarily we have radicalized Americans making trips to the middle east, presumably to get training and to receive orders for what to do over here.  They have been found to have been on several Muslim websites and message boards and making statements on FB about their desire to murder and issuing calls for the downfall of America.

All of the stuff associated with Islamic radicalization is missing here.

It was planned out and he had a ton of help, it appears.  Not the work of a lunatic.  Motives will come out soon, I hope.

Mass murder generally speaks to Islamic terrorism in this current day and age I would have thought, maybe I'm incorrect in my assumption?

The only missing piece that obviously creates significant doubt is the typical Islamic shooter or bomber etc usually leaves a trail...but on second thoughts many don't, usually the group they are affiliated to makes the claim, would that be right?