simplejeff Posted October 26, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted October 26, 2017 22 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said: You cannot keep the Sabbath without a Temple and a Levitical priesthood: This is wrong, of course, and not according to ALL SCRIPTURE, so then, who told you or convinced you to say this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccardo Posted October 26, 2017 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 4 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 281 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 167 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/25/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted October 26, 2017 4 hours ago, Giller said: As a result of God blotting out the handwriting of ordinances, for that reason, you "cannot" judge someone in the observance of "the sabbath days (plural)". It does not define, and say except for the 7th day, but just that the days that they held their sabbaths on, those were blotted out. Col 2:14 having wiped out the hand writing of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. & He has taken IT out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Verse 17, which are (shadows) of things to come. The seventh day Sabbath is not a shadow of things to come, but a memorial of creation, plus it cannot be a shadow as it was instituted before sin. The hand writing of ordinances where were placed in the side of the Arc, separate from the 10 Commandments verse 16, The verses are about the ceremonial system of sacrifices, offerings, feasts & new moons & sabbaths to make reconciliation for the house of Israel. You are adding what is not there, you are very intelligent brother & I like what you write in general, just have another close look & you will see it is about the ceremonial system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted October 26, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted October 26, 2017 A fact that many seem to miss was that Yeshua and all His disciples were Torah observant, seventh-day Sabbath and Feast-keeping, kosher Jews, who - contrary to popular belief - never preached against Torah observance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted October 26, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted October 26, 2017 When an infant / thru 3 years old/ observes the Sabbath of Yahweh all their life as Yahweh instructs the parents to train up the child in the way he should go, he never argues about it, enjoys as always his time with his father and mother and brethren or siblings if any, and 'understands' like a little child, with faith, pure heart, and joy, (Yahweh's Gifts)..... and has already learned to listen to Jesus, the Good Shepherd, to hear His voice, as Jesus Says, as the Father is well pleased also to reveal salvation to the infant, for it is the Father's Good Pleasure to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiChristian Posted October 26, 2017 Group: Members * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 176 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 870 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/23/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/22/1968 Share Posted October 26, 2017 The JEWISH saturday sabbath is different from the Lords Day sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted October 26, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted October 26, 2017 1 minute ago, KiwiChristian said: The JEWISH saturday sabbath is different from the Lords Day sunday. RIGHT ! The Jewish 7th Day Sabbath is Yahweh's 7th Day Sabbath described all through His Word from Genesis 1 THrough Revelation and tne life to come. The Lord's Day 's**day' was introduced a few hundred years or so after Jesus ascended, not from God nor from Scripture, as an alternative and as a way to bring crowds/ multitudes/ under control of one central ruling government (secular and religious) ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted October 26, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted October 26, 2017 29 minutes ago, Giller said: No what we need to know is what is actually a moral law, and a ceremonial law, and how do we distinguish them. This seems to be a common .... error ? Unless someone is making their own rules, they don't need to try to separate so-called moral and cermonial and then try to make sense of them as if to decide what to do and what not to do by man's rules. Instead, as disciples follow Jesus, same as in the first century, and later centuries, same as in the time before Jesus was born on earth, the people who belong to Yahweh did as He said - they did not try to pick it apart and then pick and choose what they were willing to to and what they were not willing to do. Jesus never tells a disciple to do something, and then "but if you don't want to, that's okay.... just call it cermonial and shrug it off" ..... No, never - those who left Jesus, the disciples who walked away from Him, saying His Words were too much for them, too difficult for them, Jesus did not go after them , nor did He ask them to come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted October 26, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted October 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, Giller said: I am not trying to pick and choose at all, just showing the differences between moral laws and ceremonial laws, which you haven't heard what I have to say on it yet, so why such a quick judgment? The largest religious deception on earth for most of the last 2000 years uses those terms to distort and confuse and deceive and control the masses of people, whole multitudes in countries all over the earth, thus using what most people are deceived by didn't look like a good idea, nor even yet does it look like a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted October 26, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted October 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, Giller said: The true reality is, is that the 7th day is mentioned both in the moral laws of God and ceremonial laws of God, and that is a fact. So ? We could live all of our lives without that making any difference at all, and more people than not are deceived by others and self-deceived by such things. (it seems like that anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted October 26, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted October 26, 2017 Just now, Giller said: Then observed the daily sacrifices which was also done on the sabbath, and maybe be part of the Levitical priesthood, if there is no difference between the ceremonial laws and moral laws. Now your adding more and different rules / stipulations/ of your own to satisfy what ? A feeling of control or power or self-righteousness ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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