Once Saved always Saved, Is A Doctrine Of Devils

[Heb 13:8]

We are a purchased possession, and false doctrin''s won't change that.

Eph 1:13-14 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

Rev 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.

[Robert William]

3 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Wayne you be blessed and praise the LORD.

I want to show you something that proves they were saved, but DID NOT continue in him.

Can a man come to Christ and actually receive the HOLY GHOST and still fall away.   

YES or no.

while you are pondering that .  Let me show ya  what both peter and paul said and JESUS.

It is impossible for those who were ONCE ENLIGHTENED , and have tasted of the heavenly GIFT

and were made PARTAKERS of.....................of.............................OF................THE HOLY GHOST

and have tasted of the good WORD of GOD, and the powers of the world to come

IF they shall F    A    L    L        A  W  A  Y.................to renew them again unto REPENTANCE

Now a word from JESUS...............these are those who RECIEVED THE WORD , YEP they DID,  and In the time of temptation THEY    F  A  L  L    A W A Y.

now a word from peter.

FOR if AFTER they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the LORD AND SAVOIR JESUS CHRIST

they are again entangled theirin and overcome , the latter END is WORSE with them than the beginning

For it had been better for them NOT to have KNOWN , KNOWN, KNOWN the way OF RIGHTEOUSNESS , than, After they have KNOWN KNOWN KNOWN

it , TO TURN FROM the holy commandment delivered unto them.   YES the dog can return to its own vomit again

and the hog that WAS ONCE WASHED CLEAN , can return to the MIRE again.     FORWAD MARCH in the LORD

OBEY HIS SPIRIT or perish many will.      WE are servants to whom we obey , whether of SIN unto death, or OBEDIANCE unto RIGHTEOUSNESS.  OBEY HIM , OBEY THE SPIRIT to the end

or perish.  FOR it is HE is us working that which is well pleasing IN HIS SIGHT.

but as paul once said, QUENCH NOT THE SPIRIT.     DONT PUT IT OUT.  SIN does harden the heart ,   WARN the church to go and by THE POWER of CHRIST sin no more.

AND if we see ANY of our brethren that has erred from THE TRUTH,  cause yeah many do ,   WE MUST do all to warn them to repent

convert them back and you have saved a SOUL,  A SOUL, FROM DEATH.      WE are servants to WHOM we obey.   WHOM we obey, WHOM we obey.

ARMOUR UP IN THE LORD and HE will guide you IN THE LIGHT , and IN HIM and by our FAITH we do and shall overcome the EVIL.  

But go and look at all the warnings to the seven churches.      TIME TO GET SERIOUS and GRAVE AGAIN..........SOULS are at stake. and IF WE LOVE them , we do all to warn and remind.

The only tasted, they were not indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

[Unfailing Presence]

On ‎10‎/‎23‎/‎2017 at 10:24 PM, Bro.Tan said:

 People are being taught that once you are quote “saved” can never fall to the spiritually lost condition. 

 

 

Can you describe your  transitioning  from a " saved "  to " spiritually lost " status , and what  specific circumstances were involved your becoming " spiritually lost "  ?

[frienduff thaylorde]

19 minutes ago, Robert William said:

The only tasted, they were not indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST means what calvin did not understand.    For murder was in his heart.   He had people killed Robert.   killed.

 

[frienduff thaylorde]

LET all who name the name oF Christ depart from inquity .  

Onward in the LORD peoples, onward .    Be blessed and may the Lord be praised .

[Heb 13:8]

1 hour ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST means what calvin did not understand.    For murder was in his heart.   He had people killed Robert.   killed.

Heb 6:4-6 refers to maturity in Christ (and has nothing to do with losing salvation). God bless.

Heb 5:11-14 We have much to say about this, but it is hard to make it clear to you because you no longer try to understand. 12In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! 13Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. 14But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

Heb 6:1-12 Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, 2instruction about cleansing rites, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3And God permitting, we will do so. 4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. 7Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. 8But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned. 9Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are convinced of better things in your case—the things that have to do with salvation. 10God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them. 11We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, so that what you hope for may be fully realized. 12We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers - Those who were once enlightened.—This metaphor is introduced again in Hebrews 10:32; neither there nor here does the context contain any notice or expansion of the figure. In that passage, however, it is applied generally to all who are addressed, and includes everything that was involved in the reception of the Christian faith. This inclusive application of the term (familiar from prophecy, from our Lord’s own words, from Apostolic usage; see Acts 26:18; Ephesians 1:18; 1Peter 2:9) throws light on the construction of the verse before us. As the words stand in the Authorised version, “enlightened” is but the first term of a series; but it is far more probable that the clauses which follow should be regarded as explanatory of the enlightenment itself: “. . . those who were once enlightened, having both tasted . . . and been made partakers . . . and tasted . . .”

Matthew Poole's Commentary - And have tasted of the heavenly gift; an act of sense in the body, put metaphorically for an act of the mind. Tasting in the soul, is an apprehension and reception by it, and but merely such, and no more; a taste, and not a digestion, of Christ and his benefits as revealed to them in the gospel, John 4:39,40, followed with the superficial relishes of their joy and peace on their temporary believing in them, as it was with the stony ground, Matthew 13:20. A sinner enlightened so as to see Christ and the glorious promises made to believers in him, it being agreeable to his natural principles, and being not much humbled, runs away with them with joy, having good desires and affections, but a stony heart still: such was Herod, Mark 6:20.

Meyer's NT Commentary - γευσαμένους τε τῆς δωρεᾶς τῆς ἐπουρανίου] and have tasted the heavenly gift. γεύεσθαί τινος, to taste or receive a savour of a thing, figurative indication of perception by one’s own experience. See on Hebrews 2:9. The construction of the verb with the genitive (instead of being with the accusative, as Hebrews 6:5) does not justify us, with many strict Reformed expositors, in finding a mere “gustare extremis labris” in the expression. Besides, such an interpretation would be in conflict with the design of the writer, since it cannot be within his intention to represent the culpability of the persons in question as small; he must, on the contrary, aim at bringing out the same in all its magnitude.

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges - 5. and have tasted the good word of God] Rather, “that the word of God is good.” The verb “taste,” which in the previous verse is constructed with the genitive (as in classical Greek), is here followed by an accusative, as is more common in Hellenistic Greek. It is difficult to establish any difference in meaning between the constructions, though the latter may imply something which is more habitual—“feeding on.” But possibly the accusative is only used to avoid any entanglement with the genitive “of God” which follows it. There is however no excuse for the attempt of Calvin and others, in the interests of their dogmatic bias, to make “taste of” mean only “have an inkling of” without any deep or real participation; and to make the preciousness of the “word of God” in this place only imply its contrast to the rigour of the Mosaic Law. The metaphor means “to partake of,” and “enjoy,” as in Philo, who speaks of one “who has quaffed much pure wine of God’s benevolent power, and banqueted upon sacred words and doctrines” (De proem. et poen. Opp. i. 428). Philo also speaks of the utterance (rhema) of God, and God, and of its nourishing the soul like manna (Opp. i. 120, 564). The references to Philo are always to Mangey’s edition. The names of the special tracts and chapters may be found in my Early Days of Christianity, 11. 541–543, and passim.

Barnes' Notes on the Bible - They crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh - Our translators have rendered this as if the Greek were - ἀνασταυροῦντας πάλιν anastaurountas palin - "crucify again," and so it is rendered by Chrysostom, by Tyndale, Coverdale, Beza, Luther, and others. But this is not properly the meaning of the Greek. The word ἀνασταυρόω anastauroō - is an "intensive" word, and is employed instead of the usual word "to crucify" only to denote "emphasis." It means that such an act of apostasy would be equivalent to crucifying him in an aggravated manner. Of course this is to be taken "figuratively." It could not be literally true that they would thus crucify the Redeemer. The meaning is, that their conduct would be "as if" they had crucified him; it would bear a strong resemblance to the act by which the Lord Jesus was publicly rejected and condemned to die. The act of crucifying the Son of God was the great crime which outpeers any other deed of human guilt. Yet the apostle says that should they who had been true Christians fall away and reject him, they would be guilty of a similar crime. It would be a public and solemn act of rejecting him. It would show that if they had been there they would have joined in the cry "crucify him, crucify him." The "intensity and aggravation" of such a crime perhaps the apostle meant to indicate by the intensive or emphatic ἀνὰ ana in the word ἀνασταυροῦντας anastaurountas. Such an act would render their salvation impossible, because:

[Robert William]

7 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST means what calvin did not understand.    For murder was in his heart.   He had people killed Robert.   killed.

 

Calvin who, I have never once quoted Calvin in this forum, why do you.

ALL Humans Christian or not deserve to be right now thrown into the eternal lake of fire, there is none good no not one.

Rom 9:13  As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Rom 9:14  What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:15  For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16  So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:17  For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 9:18  Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Rom 9:19  Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Rom 9:20  Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21  Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22  What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23  And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

[Heleadethme]

12 hours ago, Robert William said:

The only tasted, they were not indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

Even angels can fall brother........even Jesus had to learn obedience, and was tempted by the devil.  It will always be in accordance with our will.  It's why David prayed for a willing spirit.

[Heb 13:8]

4 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

Even angels can fall brother........even Jesus had to learn obedience, and was tempted by the devil.  It will always be in accordance with our will.  It's why David prayed for a willing spirit.

Angels aren't humans. Humans fall short every day, is why our salvation is secure.

[Bro.Tan]

20 hours ago, Unfailing Presence said:

Can you describe your  transitioning  from a " saved "  to " spiritually lost " status , and what  specific circumstances were involved your becoming " spiritually lost "  ?

To repent means to turn from our sinful ways and start obeying God's law. The water baptism signifies the washing away of our past sins. After repenting and being baptized in the name of Jesus it would be foolish for us to turn around and willingly break God's commandments. If we make an honest mistake Jesus can help us, but if we sin willingly, look out! "...there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation..." (Hebrews 10:26-27). When Jesus died only the sacrificial law was done away with, alone with Leviticus priesthood.  

We still must obey all of God's laws and statues of conduct, from the Ten Commandments to the least commandment. We cannot choose to obey one without obeying the others. For instance, if it's still good to pay tithes (as many preach), then it is still good to obey God's dietary law (not eating pork, catfish, etc...Leviticus 11: 1-47. Similarly, you cannot purposely trip a blind person (Leviticus 19:14) and claim to love your neighbor as yourself. Neither can you break God's Sabbath days (Leviticus 19:30) and claim to love God with all your heart, soul and mind. Many fight to uphold man's traditional holidays (Sunday the 1st day as the Sabbath, Christmas, Easter and Halloween), but few are obeying God's Holy Days (Saturday the 7th day Sabbath, the Passover, Pentecost, etc…Leviticus 23: 1-44. All of God's laws are still good and must be obeyed if we want eternal life. We might not be able to observe everything perfectly, but can fight a good fight. If we do this our prize awaits us at the end. "...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17).