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Unfailing Presence

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  1. Unfailing Presence

    Defense of the Post-Trib / Pre-Wrath Position

    Hmm...I don't know if it's true or not, because I have not checked scripture, that the Lord never appeared to any other nation. It is not primarily the fact that Israel is the only nation God appeared before , but mainly the reason He did so . So here you have two vital factors the fact that He did appear , and the purpose for which He did appear . Is there any possible reason you can formulate as to why He would appear to any other nation besides Israel ?
  2. Unfailing Presence

    Defense of the Post-Trib / Pre-Wrath Position

    What about Abraham? And Lot? And Noah? None were Jews. And I think God wiped out a great many people in the flood that were not Jews, dealing with them "face to face". When I say a " people " I am speaking in terms of nations . The Jews being the only nation in History to whom God physically manifested Himself to .
  3. Unfailing Presence

    Manifestations of the Spirit

    I'm not 100% sure if it is speaking about tongues or not. That's why I was wondering if you knew anything about what it actually is to groan in the spirit. We already agreed that Jesus did " groan in the Spirit " , but never " spoke in tongues " . Why then are you confused about them being different ?
  4. Unfailing Presence

    Manifestations of the Spirit

    You are right. Jesus didn't speak in tongues because it wasn't available until the day of Pentecost. Since we started discussing this, I've been looking at exactly what "groaning" means in the Bible. I've not come up with a definitive answer yet, but I'm working on it. Do you have any insight as to what "groaning" means according to the scriptures? It does not mean speaking in tongues on that we can agree .
  5. Unfailing Presence

    Defense of the Post-Trib / Pre-Wrath Position

    The clearest human based lack of reasoning behind the Post-trib thought is the neglect , inability to deal with God's message for the building up of the nation Israel . The only way they can deal with themselves being on the scene is by clumsily interjecting themselves into being God's needed emissaries for restoration of Israel to God . "God needs us to accomplish this " being the thought . Completely ignoring the fact that God's Word tells us the Jews are the only people in human history God has dealt with Face to Face . All by His lonesome . God started dealing with Israel Face to face , and God is still the same . It is as if they believe God tried doing it Himself Face to face , but it did not work out so well , so now we will help God with this Jewish issue .
  6. Unfailing Presence

    Manifestations of the Spirit

    I'm not so sure I'd say "anyone" can see that groaning of the spirit is an entirely different thing than speaking in tongues. There are actually quite a few scripture students who do in fact see it that way. I'm certainly not alone in my thinking Jesus never spoke in tongues . But he did " Groan in the Spirit " : "...He groaned in the Spirit , and was troubled ." ( John 11 : 32 ) Two separate things .
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    Judas Iscariot

    A good observation. I'll also add that Judas probably wanted to "get in on a good thing", thinking that Jesus would take the throne and create His kingdom on earth. When things didn't go according to plan, I think Judas wanted to put Jesus in a position so that "His hand was forced" and that Jesus would have to demonstrate His power. Instead, we all know how it ended for Judas... Right . A lot of money involved in the type of earthly kingdom Judas was thinking of .
  8. Unfailing Presence

    Judas Iscariot

    Judas's maneuvered his way into being charge of the money from the very beginning because therein was what he loved and treasured : " ..he was a thief , and had the bag . " ( John 12 : 6) He never cared for others , ever : "..not that he cared for the poor ." ( John 12 : 6 ) His masquerade obviously did not fool everyone . The only way one could have witnessed 3 years worth Lazarus raised from the dead type miracles , and then desired to be satisfied by nothing more than the creature comforts of this world money can buy is if the cistern they drink from never contained the Water of Life to begin with . " The Lord is my strength and song . " ( Psalm 118 : 14 )
  9. Unfailing Presence

    Manifestations of the Spirit

    As a Christian, I would think you would explain to an ignorant brother what the word "groanings" actually mean. Instead you justify your beliefs by insisting even a small child would agree with what you say. I'm having a hard time seeing the love there. Sometimes we tough love . I never called you " ignorant " either . I merely stated the obvious that your are attempting to equate " groaning of the Spirit " with " speaking in tongues " which anyone can see are two entirely different things . If that is not the connection you were attempting to make then I misunderstood you , and I apologize . But if that was the connection you intended to make then I stand by my rebuke of it unless you can show me where I am wrong ?
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    Judas Iscariot

    It does not show at all at this point that Judas was given over to the love of money, no evidence whatsoever till later on But you agree that like the salvation that is available to all , according to Jesus there were conditions to be met in order to activate the special " power" He offered to them ?
  11. Unfailing Presence

    Judas Iscariot

    No not in this case, but rather used of God in Christ's ministry. And here is another scripture: Mat 10:1 (1) And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. If you read Jesus's full instruction to them this " power " was not given carte blanche . A little short sighted not to read the quite lengthy qualifications Jesus attached to this " power " Just as Jesus offers salvation to ALL . Yet ALL are not saved . One of the first qualifications was they were to have no concern for money : " Provide neither GOLD, nor SILVER , nor BRASS in your purses ." Yet we know that Judas loved money and was a thief . Yes the " power " Jesus offered He offered to them all . Then the ball was in each of their own courts
  12. Unfailing Presence

    Judas Iscariot

    Are you speaking of his being , " used of God " , to betray Jesus ?
  13. Unfailing Presence

    Manifestations of the Spirit

    First of all, thanks for your prayers. We are all part of the same body, and it's nice to help each other any way we can (according to the scriptures of course). Rom 8:26-27, 26 …. Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings " groanings " are not spoken language . Trying to morph groanings of the Spirit into speaking in tongues has no biblical basis . A small child can figure that out as well .
  14. Unfailing Presence

    Manifestations of the Spirit

    You are not surprised? Well, I am. I'm surprised you say so much about the scriptures with next to nothing that is actually from the scriptures. I always like to see what the scriptures say. I've looked through your posts and don't see very many actual scriptural references, i.e. chapter and verse. It seems like you make up your doctrine on the fly. Sorry to say that. I don't mean anything personal, but you may want to consider backing the things you say with actual scriptures. I'm not sure what your source for truth actually is. Even a small child can deduce that the spiritual obligation foreordained to the apostles by speaking in tongues was not for the purpose of praying for people . As if praying in their native tongue wouldn't take . I will continue to pray , ( not in tongues by the way ) , that your threshold of knowledge on the subject will be victoriously elevated to the level of spiritual validity through further discovery within His Word . God Bless +
  15. Unfailing Presence

    Manifestations of the Spirit

    Rom 8:26-27, 26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God. These verses say I can speak in tongues for you despite the fact I don't really know that much about you. That's known as praying for someone . Speaking in tongues as the apostles did was TO someone , not FOR someone . You are obviously unfamiliar with the reason that the apostles were consecrated with speaking in tongues separate & apart from the imperative of daily prayer for others . Based upon your previous statements I am not all that surprised the more we unpack this subject the more you stray from the biblical emphasis on the purpose for which the apostles were extended this miraculous capability . The rational is expressed in His Word with powerful unsullied clearness . I will pray that your feet become scripturally grounded on this subject as you increase your knowledge through the Word . " And it is my prayer that your love may be more and more rich in knowledge and all manner of insight" ( Philippians 1 : 9 )
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