Steve_S Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Servant Followers: 25 Topic Count: 275 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 5,208 Content Per Day: 1.00 Reputation: 1,893 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, missmuffet said: It is of importance for a physical evaluation. That is not what the law makers are asking for. They want a psychiatric evaluation. That is very different. A general practitioner can give a psychiatric evaluation. They go through psychiatric rotations when becoming a doctor and are expected to be able to determine when a patient has a mental illness present, even if they are not specialized enough to make a complete diagnosis. In the same way that a general practitioner can tell you if your anterior cruciate ligament is torn or if you have an abnormality with your thyroid. They would not perform an acl reconstruction or thyroidectomy, but they can usually tell you if something is wrong with them. As such, they can diagnose the presence of a mental illness, even though they may not be able to tell you exactly what type or level of the one that is present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Steve_S said: It is outside the standards of her profession, though. The professional standards specifically delineate that psychiatrists should never evaluate a public figure and provide opinions without having personally examined him. Why would anyone trust the opinion of someone who is so blatantly violating the professional ethics that are explicitly described by their professional association and which they agreed to in order to become a part of that profession? But it is only her personal opinion. Not like he had gotten a thorough psychiatric evaluation face to face and had psychiatric testing. If the media wants to show here personal opinion then we can take it for what it is worth. The doctor said that Trump's cognitive function was good. That is really within the neurologists jurisdiction. Evaluating him for Alzheimer's or dementia or a brain tumor. They would be looking for something else in a psychiatric evaluation. Although the above is very good to rule out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_S Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Servant Followers: 25 Topic Count: 275 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 5,208 Content Per Day: 1.00 Reputation: 1,893 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, missmuffet said: But it is only her personal opinion. Not like he had gotten a thorough psychiatric evaluation face to face and had psychiatric testing. If the media wants to show here personal opinion then we can take it for what it is worth. It is against professional standards and a violation of their professional ethics to give a personal opinion on someone they have not given an evaluation. That is my point. Her giving that opinion publicly is a violation of professional ethics, which is generally a disqualifier for trusting someone's abilities in their profession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Steve_S said: A general practitioner can give a psychiatric evaluation. They go through psychiatric rotations when becoming a doctor and are expected to be able to determine when a patient has a mental illness present, even if they are not specialized enough to make a complete diagnosis. In the same way that a general practitioner can tell you if your anterior cruciate ligament is torn or if you have an abnormality with your thyroid. They would not perform an acl reconstruction or thyroidectomy, but they can usually tell you if something is wrong with them. As such, they can diagnose the presence of a mental illness, even though they may not be able to tell you exactly what type or level of the one that is present. Yes, a good general practitioner can see the signs of a mental illness or personality disorder.If that is the case they should be referred to a specialist depending on the severity of the illness. An intern goes through different rotations. But they only get a sampling of what that area of medicine is like. They are not an expert by any means. One who has actually done their residency in that area of medicine and have possibly practiced in psychiatry and is well known for their work. There are good psychiatrist and their are psychiatrists that are not that reputable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Steve_S said: It is against professional standards and a violation of their professional ethics to give a personal opinion on someone they have not given an evaluation. That is my point. Her giving that opinion publicly is a violation of professional ethics, which is generally a disqualifier for trusting someone's abilities in their profession. You may be right on the the ethics and many of the professionals may not have given their opinion like she did. But the news was all over her statement and that is what everyone is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.21 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 48 minutes ago, missmuffet said: So If Trump asked for a psychiatric evaluation then it will happen? No, it is not outside her field. She is a psychiatrist. If she were an endocrinologist it would be outside her field. It is outside the scope of her field. If you read the news or listen to it today, you will see that he did ask for one. If you read one of the posts prior to the post of mine you quoted, you would have seen that news tidbit too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2018 I guess we will have to see what happens in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2018 I think Pence would be a good President. But I have not observed him very much. He is in the background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted January 17, 2018 16 hours ago, Davida said: The Psychiatrist is acting unprofessionally so apparently they have no ethics that governs their profession, unlike therapists or counsellors. The psychiatrist in question is a forensic psychiatrist who obviously knows her own profession better than most posters on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted January 17, 2018 16 hours ago, Steve_S said: I think the key here is that the professional standards, agreed to by those within the profession, dictate that one not make diagnoses of public figures in a public way.... No, the key here is that this is a professional assessment by a forensic psychiatrist, not a diagnosis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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