Alex2165 Posted February 3, 2018 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 67 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 20 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/29/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 3, 2018 THE COVENANT OF MOSES AND THE COVENANT OF JESUS CHRIST Every word that Jesus Christ ever said is related to the Old Testament. The Law of Moses and teachings of Jesus Christ are absolutely the same, but the difference here is that the Law of Moses followed out fear, and no wonder, because for every violation was introduced a punishment, and it was literally based on fear, but the New Covenant of Christ based on love and faith, and there is love and faith, there is no fear.. The Law of Moses can be considered as elementary school for humanity to learn the character and the will of GOD, and only GOD. But it came to a point in time in the history of mankind than the humanity have to go from “elementary school” (The Law of Moses) to a “high school,” (The teachings of Jesus Christ) means to obey and follow the Law of Moses not out of fear, but out of love and faith of its just and righteous commandments. Jesus did not bring with Him any new laws, because the Laws already have been issued and established by Him and His Father at the Mount Sinai and we call those Laws as the Laws of Moses. Jesus improved certain Laws of Moses and even kept some of the Ritual of the Law of Moses (Passover, Baptism in a little bit different spiritual forms, and some others, I do not remember them all now), but He never issued anything completely new from Himself. And here is a huge difference between the Law of Moses and Christ’s teachings. When Jesus offered Himself as a Guilt Offering for the sins of humanity Sacrificing Himself on the cross according to the Law of Moses, by this He converted the Law of Moses into completely Spiritual Law. All the Spiritual Commandments of the Law of Moses took full effect, but the physical rituals of the Law of Moses no longer become valid (except few converted mentioned above) because Jesus paid the ultimate physical Sacrifice with His Own Body as a Guilt Offering to GOD, and by this He fulfill entire Law of Moses for the people who otherwise could not do it, and He did made the end of the physical rituals. So, now the Teaching of Jesus is a Spiritual New Covenant based of the Spiritual Commandments of the Law of Moses, about which the Old Testament often mentioned. Isaiah 59.21 21."And as for Me, this is My Covenant with them", says the Lord: "My Spirit which is upon you and My words which I have put in your mouth shall not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your offspring, nor from the mouth of your offspring's offspring", says the Lord, from now and forever. (Isaiah 1.27, 2.3, 42.4, 49.6, 51.4, 59.20) (Deuteronomy 18.15.18-19) (Micah 4.1-4) (Matthew 12.18-21) (See also New Covenant: Jeremiah 31.31.33, Matthew 20.28, Mark 14.24, Luke 22.20, 2Corinthians 3.6, Hebrews 8.8.10.13). And now we can see that Jesus Christ does not introduce any new laws, but He took out of the Old Law of Moses only Spiritual Commandments and He teach them the people. Jesus took entire humanity on a higher level, from the elementary school to a high school, from the physical rituals of fear to the Spiritual Commandments of the same Law of love and faith. And this is exactly the Spiritual Law that was called in the O.T. as a New Covenant, not the Law but as a New Covenant. First Covenant mainly was based on the rituals, the Second Covenant is purely based on the Spiritual Commandments of love and faith of the same first Covenant. So all Christians now no longer under the Old Law of Moses (Old Covenant) with its physical rituals and the fear of punishment, but Christians today under New Covenant into which Jesus Christ transformed the Law of Moses, not discarded. And under this New Covenant of the Spiritual Laws of the Old Covenant, all humanity now under its authority. I would like to emphasize on the fact that many Christians completely misunderstood the writing of Paul, when Paul very often criticized the Law of Moses as insufficient and inferior to the New Covenant of Jesus Christ, and at the same time in many of his writing he also praised the Law of Moses, and it confused many people. But to summarize the meaning of Paul’s writings it is actually comes to a simple conclusion there Paul only makes a difference between the Law of Moses (The Old Covenant) and a New Covenant of Christ on the basis that one was obeyed out of fear, but another obeyed out of love and faith, and this is it. If people will take a look on the writings of Paul in such way, then entire message of Paul will be much clearer and better understood. In this light, the Law of Moses (Old Covenant with its rituals) is inferior to much more superior New Covenant of Christ (Spiritual Commandments of the Law of Moses), because obedience out of fear is inferior to the obedience out of love and faith. Isaiah 42.21 21."The Lord was pleased for His righteousness' sake to make the Law great and glorious." John 5.39 39.You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life, and it is these that bear witness of Me, John 1.17 17.The Law (the physical rituals and spiritual Commandments) indeed was given through Moses, Grace and Truth (the spiritual Commandments of the Law of Moses) came through Jesus Christ. 1John 5.3 3."The love of GOD is this that we obey His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome," Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted February 3, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,606 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 3, 2018 Yeshuah gave Moses the law. It was witness by the council. He was the intermediary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted February 3, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 476 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,559 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,638 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Alex2165 said: THE COVENANT OF MOSES AND THE COVENANT OF JESUS CHRIST Every word that Jesus Christ ever said is related to the Old Testament. The Law of Moses and teachings of Jesus Christ are absolutely the same, but the difference here is that the Law of Moses followed out fear, and no wonder, because for every violation was introduced a punishment, and it was literally based on fear, but the New Covenant of Christ based on love and faith, and there is love and faith, there is no fear.. The Law of Moses can be considered as elementary school for humanity to learn the character and the will of GOD, and only GOD. But it came to a point in time in the history of mankind than the humanity have to go from “elementary school” (The Law of Moses) to a “high school,” (The teachings of Jesus Christ) means to obey and follow the Law of Moses not out of fear, but out of love and faith of its just and righteous commandments. Jesus did not bring with Him any new laws, because the Laws already have been issued and established by Him and His Father at the Mount Sinai and we call those Laws as the Laws of Moses. Jesus improved certain Laws of Moses and even kept some of the Ritual of the Law of Moses (Passover, Baptism in a little bit different spiritual forms, and some others, I do not remember them all now), but He never issued anything completely new from Himself. And here is a huge difference between the Law of Moses and Christ’s teachings. When Jesus offered Himself as a Guilt Offering for the sins of humanity Sacrificing Himself on the cross according to the Law of Moses, by this He converted the Law of Moses into completely Spiritual Law. All the Spiritual Commandments of the Law of Moses took full effect, but the physical rituals of the Law of Moses no longer become valid (except few converted mentioned above) because Jesus paid the ultimate physical Sacrifice with His Own Body as a Guilt Offering to GOD, and by this He fulfill entire Law of Moses for the people who otherwise could not do it, and He did made the end of the physical rituals. So, now the Teaching of Jesus is a Spiritual New Covenant based of the Spiritual Commandments of the Law of Moses, about which the Old Testament often mentioned. Isaiah 59.21 21."And as for Me, this is My Covenant with them", says the Lord: "My Spirit which is upon you and My words which I have put in your mouth shall not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your offspring, nor from the mouth of your offspring's offspring", says the Lord, from now and forever. (Isaiah 1.27, 2.3, 42.4, 49.6, 51.4, 59.20) (Deuteronomy 18.15.18-19) (Micah 4.1-4) (Matthew 12.18-21) (See also New Covenant: Jeremiah 31.31.33, Matthew 20.28, Mark 14.24, Luke 22.20, 2Corinthians 3.6, Hebrews 8.8.10.13). And now we can see that Jesus Christ does not introduce any new laws, but He took out of the Old Law of Moses only Spiritual Commandments and He teach them the people. Jesus took entire humanity on a higher level, from the elementary school to a high school, from the physical rituals of fear to the Spiritual Commandments of the same Law of love and faith. And this is exactly the Spiritual Law that was called in the O.T. as a New Covenant, not the Law but as a New Covenant. First Covenant mainly was based on the rituals, the Second Covenant is purely based on the Spiritual Commandments of love and faith of the same first Covenant. So all Christians now no longer under the Old Law of Moses (Old Covenant) with its physical rituals and the fear of punishment, but Christians today under New Covenant into which Jesus Christ transformed the Law of Moses, not discarded. And under this New Covenant of the Spiritual Laws of the Old Covenant, all humanity now under its authority. I would like to emphasize on the fact that many Christians completely misunderstood the writing of Paul, when Paul very often criticized the Law of Moses as insufficient and inferior to the New Covenant of Jesus Christ, and at the same time in many of his writing he also praised the Law of Moses, and it confused many people. But to summarize the meaning of Paul’s writings it is actually comes to a simple conclusion there Paul only makes a difference between the Law of Moses (The Old Covenant) and a New Covenant of Christ on the basis that one was obeyed out of fear, but another obeyed out of love and faith, and this is it. If people will take a look on the writings of Paul in such way, then entire message of Paul will be much clearer and better understood. In this light, the Law of Moses (Old Covenant with its rituals) is inferior to much more superior New Covenant of Christ (Spiritual Commandments of the Law of Moses), because obedience out of fear is inferior to the obedience out of love and faith. Isaiah 42.21 21."The Lord was pleased for His righteousness' sake to make the Law great and glorious." John 5.39 39.You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life, and it is these that bear witness of Me, John 1.17 17.The Law (the physical rituals and spiritual Commandments) indeed was given through Moses, Grace and Truth (the spiritual Commandments of the Law of Moses) came through Jesus Christ. 1John 5.3 3."The love of GOD is this that we obey His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome," Acts 15 verse 5 but there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed saying that it was needful to circumcised them AND to command them to KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES. Acts 15 verse 24 Forasmuch as we have heard that certain which went out from us have TROUBLED YOU WITH WORDS ,SUBVERTED YOUR SOULS, saying ye must be circumcised, AND KEEP THE LAW: TO WHOM WE GAVE NO SUCH COMMANDMENT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted February 3, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.33 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted February 3, 2018 46 minutes ago, Wayne222 said: Acts 15 verse 5 but there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed saying that it was needful to circumcised them AND to command them to KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES. Acts 15 verse 24 Forasmuch as we have heard that certain which went out from us have TROUBLED YOU WITH WORDS ,SUBVERTED YOUR SOULS, saying ye must be circumcised, AND KEEP THE LAW: TO WHOM WE GAVE NO SUCH COMMANDMENT. Exactly. meats drinks days etc. let each be fully persuaded IN THIER OWN MIND. being circumcised was not a requirement on them gentiles. OF course we all have been or most of us. WHAT we have to FOCUS ON IS RIGHTEOUSNESS. not meats , days , drinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted February 3, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.33 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted February 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Yowm said: Rom_3:27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. Rom_3:28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. Rom_3:31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. Rom_4:13 For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith. Rom_4:14 For if it is the adherents of the law who are to be the heirs, faith is null and the promise is void. Rom_4:16 That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring—not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, Gal_2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified. Gal_3:2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Gal_3:5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— Gal_3:11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith." Gal_3:12 But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them." Gal_3:23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. Gal_3:24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. Php_3:9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith— **************** Law and faith are exclusive when it comes to justification and sanctification. Rom_3:27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. Rom_3:28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. Rom_3:31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. Rom_4:13 For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith. Rom_4:14 For if it is the adherents of the law who are to be the heirs, faith is null and the promise is void. Rom_4:16 That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring—not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, Gal_2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified. Gal_3:2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Gal_3:5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— Gal_3:11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith." Gal_3:12 But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them." Gal_3:23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. Gal_3:24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. Php_3:9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith— ***************************** Faith and law are mutually exclusive when it comes to justification and justification. "Behold, his soul is puffed up; it is not upright within him, but the righteous shall live by his faith. (Hab 2:4) Faith and law are mutually exclusive when it comes to justification and justification Exactly. we aint justified by the law . ONLY IN CHRIST . but , and disa bedda sink in deeply to all. WE sa no can omit or change JESUS sayings , OR IT AINT HIM WE FOLLOW and thus WE AINT JUSTIFIED PEROID . FOLLOW the ONE WHO JUSTIFIES and KEEP HIS SAYINGS. You love yowm. But my advice. Don't argue with that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4LdKHVCzRDj2 Posted February 3, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,453 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 1,453 Days Won: 6 Joined: 11/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1991 Share Posted February 3, 2018 1 minute ago, frienduff thaylorde said: WHAT we have to FOCUS ON IS RIGHTEOUSNESS. To be clearer, faith working through love... And His righteousness. "Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God." - Romans 5:1-2 God bless you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted February 3, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.33 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted February 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, 4LdKHVCzRDj2 said: To be clearer, faith working through love... And His righteousness. "Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God." - Romans 5:1-2 God bless you! AMEN. I kind of felt after leaving that , I should have made it clearer. BUT You brought the beauty of it . Thanks . For those who FOLLOW THE SPIRIT the law of righteousness is FULLFILLED IN THEM. ITS ALL ABOUT GRACE . but, and this should put some serious HOLY FEAR in some souls. Be looking diligently now ...................Lest any man FAIL OF THE GRACE OF GOD. For we are servants to whom we obey and obey him to the end faithfully we must . OBEY the unctions of the SPIRIT , if so be we have the SPIRIT . IF any man woman or child has not the SPIRIT of Christ , HE IS NONE OF HIS but if we do , THE BODY IS DEAD because of sin. AKA JESUS SPIRIT REALLY DOES SET US FREE FROM TEH POWER OF SIN . JESUS really DOES SUCCOR us through every trial and temptation . GOD REALLY DOES give us a way out , to overcome it . HE DONT leave us powerless to sin...............BY FAITH IN HIM we HAVE HIS SPIRIT WHICH GIVES US POWER OVER THE SIN . Not a victim of it . Many really need to read them bibles , READ them bibles and stop let men splain everything away. FOR THE GOSPLE OF JESUS sets a man FREE FROM SIN NOT a captive in bondage to sin . NO that sounds like another go SPELL as in spell of darkness. JESUS sets the captives free. SATAN CANT . So lets not ever preach a powerless gospel again . GIVE HEED TO JESUS for deliver us from every power HE CAN AND HE DOES > ONLY OBEY THE SPIRIT . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyDestiny Posted February 4, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 131 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 59 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/08/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted February 4, 2018 It is a mix of both, law and faith, fear and love. God is our father. Like a father, he has a set of laws/rules you are expected to abide by under his roof. Put things back where they belong, clean your room once a week, take out the trash when it's full, curfew is 7 PM, you name it. You get smart with him cause you'd rather draw on the wall, you get a red backside. Like a father, he does these things because he loves us. He wants our homes to be clean and nice, to keep us busy rather than lounging around in laziness. To teach us responsibility to both ourselves and the world, to show us to care as he cares. We must love him for this in turn. Like how the meat must both chew the cud and have a completely split hoof, you can't have one without the other. Law without faith is empty. Faith without law is foolish. Fear without love, love without fear.... You get the idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted February 4, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.33 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted February 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Yowm said: My boo boo. i meant to say 'when it comes to justification AND sanctification. Yes sir I knew what you meant yowm. Praise the Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted February 4, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 476 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,559 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,638 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 4, 2018 5 hours ago, GreyDestiny said: It is a mix of both, law and faith, fear and love. God is our father. Like a father, he has a set of laws/rules you are expected to abide by under his roof. Put things back where they belonglets , clean your room once a week, take out the trash when it's full, curfew is 7 PM, you name it. You get smart with him cause you'd rather draw on the wall, you get a red backside. Like a father, he does these things because he loves us. He wants our homes to be clean and nice, to keep us busy rather than lounging around in laziness. To teach us responsibility to both ourselves and the world, to show us to care as he cares. We must love him for this in turn. Like how the meat must both chew the cud and have a completely split hoof, you can't have one without the other. Law without faith is empty. Faith without law is foolish. Fear without love, love without fear.... You get the idea. Let's walk by the spirit. Then we will not live by the lusts of the flesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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