Gideon Posted April 14, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 79 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,177 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 826 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/04/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 26 minutes ago, Yowm said: Reckoning oneself to be dead unto sin and alive to God is one sliver of the whole body of truth. That is a first step. But as we do there is so much more in trusting God. Even what you mentioned is dependent on God's Word, Spirit and discipline which you conveniently left out of my quote. But in my 44 years with walking in Jesus, I have found little nifty verses for the 'victorious life' just don't work. So because you have not found a simple path to victory in 44 years as a Christian, does that mean that it must not be possible? Consider: He promised He would keep us from falling. He gave us shields of faith that He said would quench ALL the fiery arrows that Satan casts at us. He promised He would not ever let us be tempted above our ability to resist, and would make a way of escape so that we would be able to bear it. He told us He has delivered us from the power of darkness, not just forgiveness from it still holding us. He said He would make us free indeed and then defined “free” as free from committing sin. We choke on thes verses, scrambling to explain them away. And why? Because if they are true, then the ground we have camped on is dangerous ground indeed. Paul did not. He let theese promises strike his body, blow after blow, refusing to lower the standard that walking holy before the Lord is our calling as His children. He broke, tired of his failure, worn out from trying to stop sinning and finding he could not, and finally cried out “O wretched man, who shall deliver me from the body of this death?” And when he finally came to the place where he had NO strength, broken of all confidence in his fleshly efforts, desperate to be delivered from a nature that could never truly obey or walk in holiness, God opened his eyes to the highway of holiness, Romans 8, where a man, though He be a fool, will not err there. No willful sin. No ‘slips’. Kept by the power of God through FAITH, owing our old fleshly nature NOTHING. We simply have been taught to believe that such a place does not exist. And because we assume freed from the grip of sin means perfection, we conclude it is all a load of baloney. But we assume wrong. Being freed from the grip of sin, and having put off our old nature by faith..... and continuing to believe that when we are tempted, is not the end of our good fight of faith but the beginning! Our slate is wiped clean of all that would defile us. But perfection? Ha! No way. We have just started on our sanctification process, where God actually can now change us into His likeness. Our core inside is pure and holy, and now Jesus wants to grow it from inside us outward where all can see it. But because we want to defend our efforts, convinced that given enough time, we will become.... oh, wait, we do not believe it possible. Scratch that. We are a picture perfect snapshot of Israel in the wilderness. Like them, we too have escaped the fleshpots of Egypt. Yes, we are saved. Yes, we are Hos children. And like them, we too are called to pass through the wilderness and into the promised land of rest. But like them as well, we have turned what should be a short journey into a lifetime of wandering, ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. God must make us holy, but only will when we finally tire of our failing and believe He can and will do so. When did they finally cross over? When all unbelief had died, and so it will be with us. We think we are doing quite fine, thank you, and are quite pleasing to God, but God has spoken. Do we hear Him? They that are in the flesh cannot please Him for nothing profits but a new creature. We have come to believe that we really do not need to truly gain the victory over sin and self rule. We are wrong. They that are still in their old natures, trying to grow themselves into new natured people are ignorant of this one fact. The flesh cannot be converted to spirit by time, discipline, fasting or hours of prayer. There is but one way to get rid of it, to take it out of the equation. We must reckon it dead. Do we not see? This is our shield when the devil comes tempting or accusing. We counter with our shields up, confessing that we have been delivered from the power of darkness believing that we are no longer in the flesh and owe it nothing. We confess that we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us. We declare that we have been crucified with Christ, and that we are new natured people who can indeed stare Satan down in every temptation and glory to God, take the way of escape God always supplies.... every time! Without this mindset, without the words of our mouthes expressing our trust that these things are true, we WILL fall. Guaranteed. How many more laps shall we run until we get it? We cannot do it. Christ must do it in us. He is no doubt with us, But He will not come and abide in us if we are walking in unbelief, happy as clams in our old natures. . He will do so only as we come into agreement with Him that we have been made new. Thank God, once we break, and raise back the standard that we have tried to lower so that we feel no conviction, and cry out in desperation for the faith to believe that such a walk is not only possible but PROMISED, and beseech Him to make us holy children, victorious over the world the flesh and the devil, we are finally ready to have our lamps lit and walk as children of light. We will have finally combined the blood of the lamb with the words of our testimony, and to our amazement, we will discover that we can indeed overcome anything that would defile of defeat us. Faithful is He who caller you, who also will DO IT. Ask and you will receive, that your joy may be full. It is time we opened our mouths wide, so He can fill them. Blessings, Gideon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted April 14, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 476 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,559 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,638 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2018 No one ever stops sinning in this mortal life. Can we put sin out of our life ofcourse. But we still sin. Otherwise why did jesus say forgive other mens sins as God had forgiven you. We can overcome as we walk in the spirit. No one says you cannot stop sinning. We must put sin away. But we will still sin at timed. Just confess right away. He forgives on account of the blood of jesus. The way i find it true to put sin out of my life is look at jesus. He is near me at all times and i love him so i dont want to sin. When i do feel sin in my flesh i look at him right away. I look away from the sin. Maybe anger that is unrighteous and whatever that made me angry. And wait for the lord as i look at him. My anger goes away. As i pratice this it becomes habit over time. I pray a lot and stay close to christ. His will is always right and i trust him. Even if he slays me he is right. Perfect judgement comes out of him. He will justify me on that day when he appears. Sin is wash clean by his blood. He is to be praise in all the earth. We have died to sin by his death. Already we have died. Our body of flesh lives. So we can sin. So we need to be watchfull. Keep aware and watching with prayer. Wear the belt of righteousness. Which is interity. The walk is long and daily. But we will have rest when he comes and turns this body of flesh in a inmortal spirtual body. Then we will never sin for we will see him as he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon Posted April 14, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 79 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,177 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 826 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/04/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, warrior12 said: "Whether we want to admit it or not, we have disgraced the name of our God by how we have represented Him, both individually and corporately. This is not me saying so God said it. But all that is coming to a close. God has shown me that there are multitudes all over the earth who are the elect, but they have been waiting for the manifestation of the sons of God. And peoples from all religions, those who truly love the light but never have seen it in us, WILL see it and come to join us in the last great end gathering. God’s house WILL be full, and believe it or not, we are going to be a huge part of it! We serve an amazing God! " No, what Gideon is trying his hardest is to put forward what he said God has shown him. The above is a quote from one of his earlier post. Now, analyze the above and tell me what this means. Either you or Gideon should explain what is meant by that paragraph. How did God show him this, in a dream, audible, in manifestation or discernment. Is Gideon a prophet. I have no objection if he is, just want to know if this is the case as, he would have to answer for his proclamations. Many here don't believe there are modern day prophets. The scripture has plenty of admonitions on how to walk on the straight and narrow pathways. Just consider the book of proverbs for an example. Paul teachings are a handful and the Gospels is where the Lord taught. At the end of the day, every man has to look at the mirror and identify what he is looking at Also, we are reminded in Ephesians 6 who comes to war against the saints and we are to put on the armor of God. You ask a hard question. I am not sure my answer is going to satisfy you. But.... here goes. My visittion eleven years ago was beyond supernatural. It was no vision. He did not speak to my mind. He appeared n front of me, and He spoke to me audibly. I did not see anything but intense, blinding golden light. I was on my face sobbing. And what He showed me has transformed me totally and continues to do so till this very day. I was an angry, hardened, frustrated legalist who hated myself because of my addiction to sin. Especially porn and masturbation. I was the poster boy for Romans 7 and of all men, the most wretched one I have ever known. You see, in all my failure, I refused to lower the standard that we are all called to depart from all iniquity and to walk holy before the Lord. But in doing so, it made guilt and condemnation hang over me constantly. If I read 10 chapters from God’s Word before bed, well if I really was serious, I should have read twenty. If I spent time working in my yard, it was prettying up my little kingdom and so I felt guilt for that. Watching tv? Guilty. Hobbies? Wasting God’s time He had given me. I lacked love, compasssion, patience and was anything but gentle. I could tell the truth, but speaking the truth in love? Forget it! In summary, I was a man most miserable. I saw clearly that what we called church offered no relief,and was far from what God wanted for us, but I had no practical answers for them, and certainly not for my own dilemma. What I did not realize that the road I was on had a purpose. It was to wear me out, and to break me of all confidence in my flesh. (That took 38 years, lol.) It was to get me to the point where I really did hate my old nature, but as to answers for getting freed from self, I was flat out of any. I had tried everything I could try, includibg a 21 day water only fast. I simply got skinnier.... and prouder, and then of course guilt for being proud. When God spoke to me that amazing night, and shared with me what I seem to be so poorly able to explain to you, I jumped at it. I reckoned myself dead to sin and alive to Him. I was a new man and confessed it as not just truth, but as MY truth. And glory to God, it worked. I am not lying when I share this. For two years straight, I was never once conscious of sinning, by thought or deed. Not once. I never gave into sin, and my heart soared in places I had not even know existed. Finally, I slipped and for two months felt I had committed blasphemy of the Spirit. Why did I fall? Because after that long, I was beginning to think sin was not even a possibility any longer. I was wrong. It is a walk of faith, a daily putting on the whole armor of God. I frantically strained to get back what I had walked in. Nothing. Finally I saw. What had I done the first time? Nothing. I simply believed I did not examine whether or not I was ‘serious’ about my walk. I didn’t let how I ‘felt’ influence me. I simply believed that what Jesus did for me was true. My sin changed nothing. The old me died when He died and when Christ rose from the dead, I rose too as a new creature. And the promised land of rest opened up to me once again. Total victory. For eleven years I have now walked this amazing walk. There have been a few slips along the way. Fighting our good fight of faith is a battle Satan cannot afford to lose. The goal is for us to become established in the faith, immovable, so yes, it is possible to let our guard down. Plus, I have had no one to guide me through the potential pitfalls except the Holy Spirit. Up until recently, few jave understood what I was trying to share Heck, they still don’t! LOL, so loneliness has been a point where Satan will attack. But as I look back, I had to come to understand what others will be facing when they too reckon themselves dead to sin and alive to God. And what is the result of eleven years of walking on the highway of holiness as a new creature? I have been transformed and even I cannot deny it. I pray this does not come across as pride, for in truth, this walk is the death nell to pride and self confidence. God has sicceeded in transforming an angry man into a gentle man, a man lacking compassion into one who hurts when others hurt. Whereas once I was my own worst enemy, I actually like who I see in the mirror. Self control, once I believed to be a necessity to defeating sin, is now in abundance because it too is a fruit of the Spirit. You see, we do not need self control to walk in the spirit, we need to walk in the spirit to get self control. Glory to God! Have I arrived? Ha! My wife would say no! The Highway of holiness is a journey, a walk of abiding in God, and just as He promised, as I abide, I find thankfully that I do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh and each day, I am consciously of Him changing me, pointing things out that I agree I want changed. Sooo..... onto your question. Am I a prophet? First, let me say this. God has never told me so. I want that to be perfectly clear. He has told me to speak what He shows me, and I have, and I will continuet to do so. Truthfully, , I get really nervous when someone calls themselves a prophet. Or worse yet, calls themselves an apostle. The truth is, and I mean this honestly, I do not know he answer to that question and I do not care. All I know is that God has made me a messenger to share a message, one that I believe Wil be a small part of triggering what I have shared, an awakening of both wheat and tares. The tares will choose to deny the message, the wheat will be awakened by the truth of who they really are and joyfully join me in lighting their lamps. I have never been told any dates, but know what is coming, fairly soon, and it is not pretty. We will have to actually act like family to make it. Our whole concept of ‘church’ is about to undergo a complete overhaul .God is going to bring us back to where we are truly content with food and clothing, and seeking to bless and serve others rather than ourselves. And in an imcreasibfly dark world, we will walk gloriously, and truly in victory. He has shown this to me as clearly as the sun will shine tomorrow. Amazing days are ahead! I know that is probably not what you wanted to hear from me. But if by a prophet, your definition is someone who receives a message from the Lord for the blessing of all, and shares it with any who will give ear, then so be it. I can accept that. I pray for all who read my posts, that you stop and just consider what it means if what I am sharing is indeed the truth. It means your Christian walk will soon become glorious, the liberty will be so greatl I know my words can often come across as hard, speaking in huge sweeping generalizations, but I pray you sense that they are shared in love, because I so want you all to discover the victory God has for each one of you. That is my hope and will continue to be as long as God has me to share here. I am now 68, with a wonderful wife Terry, who is 65. Together, we have 6 children, 11 grandchildren and 5 great grandchildren. The Lord has seen fit to bless us by having us adopt Jack, our 8 year old grandson, and Gaven, our 21 month old great grandchild. Last year, my wife, a life long non-smoker, was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer in both lungs and one kidney. But God has kept us in victory throughout, and has proved to me again and again that He means what He says that we will be kept regardless of the strength of the enemy. Her last PET scan? No cancer, glory to God. I received my call to ministry in 1986, 32 years ago, But it was only recently, three months ago, that He told me my time had come to step out and begin. And so I am in the process of writing a book, a field manual of sorts of getting into the promised land, and how to battle successfully in it. So I covet your prayers, for I have no real clue what I am doing. You guys are all in my prayers, and even if right now you do not agree with me,or believe that what I have received and share ad nausea is from God, I pray for you and covet your prayers as well. Many blessings to all, Gideon . Edited April 14, 2018 by Gideon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted April 14, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 476 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,559 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,638 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2018 Look to jesus for all things. He is our life. Walk in joy and in strengh and power. We are not weak but are strong. We the children of God are the people of the lion of judah. We can walk on the highway of holiness. No evil beast can touch us. Dont be afraid of giants like the children of Isarel were. God was not please with them. They did not look to the lion of judah. Christ follow them but they did not trust him. We can trust the one who died already for us. If he died for us will he not give us all things ? He will gives us all things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejected Posted April 14, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 47 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 761 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 225 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2018 Dead letter church. Ink on paper. Logos. Written. Rhema. Jesus is the 'alive' Word of God. Man's liturgy, traditions, methods, quench the Holy Spirit. Rhema gone leaving only the written word without life. Plain and simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not me Posted April 14, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 512 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 3,188 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 3,350 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/06/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Yowm said: Reckoning oneself to be dead unto sin and alive to God is one sliver of the whole body of truth. That is a first step. But as we do there is so much more in trusting God. Even what you mentioned is dependent on God's Word, Spirit and discipline which you conveniently left out of my quote. But in my 44 years with walking in Jesus, I have found little nifty verses for the 'victorious life' just don't work. Hi, you have no reason to listen to a word I say. But on the off chance there is something of truth here trying to be explained, please give ear. If the roles where reversed I too would be most skeptical. For I would say in my heart, I know that I have a relationship with Christ. I know it's real and growing. Which yours is, for I can taste your relationship with Christ, that it is real, and that you are walking in all the light that you see. Or as it is said in scripture, "living up to the standard to which you have obtained." What Gideon has been trying to share (and I have been confirming that what he speak is real) about how to "put off the old and put on the new man". Is just the same truth that Watchman Nee wrote about in his book called the "Normal Christian life". It is also the truth Andrew Murray wrote about in the book by William Law that he edited and reprinted with the title "Freedom from a self-centered life/dying to self". What is being brought forth has to be see inwardly or it will make no sense. But it is for all believers and it is the one way of living a "victorious life" over the old nature. When you say being "dead in Christ is just a sliver of the body of truth" your speaking about something you don't realize. It is half the truth, the other half would be "but alive on to God". That is the "all" of "how" to live a victorious life, permanently!. The only time you will fall after receiving the revelation of what being "dead in Christ" means. Is when you choose to "not" reckon yourself dead. (which I have learned the hard way). These words are wrote in the fear of God. Please knowing that you "DO" have a personal relationship with Christ. Make it an object of prayer to seek from Him a confirmation of a denial of these words. Much love and prayers in Christ, Not me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not me Posted April 14, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 512 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 3,188 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 3,350 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/06/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Mike Mclees said: This is what I'm seeing. To be dead to self is and alive in Christ is when we come to the knowledge that Jesus is everything, and the world has nothing. Jesus prayed for the disciples John 17:9 I pray for them (the disciples) I pray not for the world. Lusting after the things of this world is vain. We are dependent upon Him and Him only. By His grace we live and have our being. Its the world and it's lusts ambitions, and politics we die to. This is not congregational but personally. I don't know how to say it any other way. The spirit of antichrist is in the world and the world is Babylon From what I read above it sounds like you are very close. I realize you will, even without my encouragement, but keep feeding your personal relationship with Christ. "To be dead to self is and alive in Christ is when we come to the knowledge that Jesus is everything," this is soooo on point. Keep on pressing in, for more and more of Christ will be yours. Love your heart, blessing to you. much love in Christ, Not me Edited April 14, 2018 by Not me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not me Posted April 14, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 512 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 3,188 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 3,350 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/06/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2018 3 hours ago, warrior12 said: "Whether we want to admit it or not, we have disgraced the name of our God by how we have represented Him, both individually and corporately. This is not me saying so God said it. But all that is coming to a close. God has shown me that there are multitudes all over the earth who are the elect, but they have been waiting for the manifestation of the sons of God. And peoples from all religions, those who truly love the light but never have seen it in us, WILL see it and come to join us in the last great end gathering. God’s house WILL be full, and believe it or not, we are going to be a huge part of it! We serve an amazing God! " No, what Gideon is trying his hardest is to put forward what he said God has shown him. The above is a quote from one of his earlier post. Now, analyze the above and tell me what this means. Either you or Gideon should explain what is meant by that paragraph. How did God show him this, in a dream, audible, in manifestation or discernment. Is Gideon a prophet. I have no objection if he is, just want to know if this is the case as, he would have to answer for his proclamations. Many here don't believe there are modern day prophets. The scripture has plenty of admonitions on how to walk on the straight and narrow pathways. Just consider the book of proverbs for an example. Paul teachings are a handful and the Gospels is where the Lord taught. At the end of the day, every man has to look at the mirror and identify what he is looking at Also, we are reminded in Ephesians 6 who comes to war against the saints and we are to put on the armor of God. I'm glad Gideon explained how he "knows". Whether or not you believe it, he believes it. The rest is your call. As for if Gideon is a prophet or not, as he says, he has no knowledge of that, nor do I. But I can tell you what I see and know and believe to be true. As Scripture says "I believe therefore I speak". Gideon has stopped being a "carnal Christian" and has become a "spiritual" one. He has entered into the "life of faith". He is actually "living in the spirit". Which is nothing special, it is just being a normal christian something that is not special at all, it is for us all. But it is something that the church as a whole has lost and doesn't even know or believes it exists. He is nothing special, he has just been brought to the end of himself. Where he could cry out from the bottom of his heart "oh, wretched man that I am" and when he did, the Lord took over. I have no doubt that you have a personal relationship with Christ. If these things are indeed true, the only way that you will know is to be convinced by Christ Jesus Himself. But Thanks be to God that your personal relationship with Him is that thing that will reveal all truth to whomever is willing. much love in Christ, Not me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not me Posted April 14, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 512 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 3,188 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 3,350 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/06/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Yowm said: I've read all of Watchman Nee's books including the 3 volume set 'The Spiritual Man'. Nothing new here, and as I've said there is more to Scripture than Romans 6-8. Frankly, I've heard all this victorious Christian life' stuff before...zzz. As long as this is what your personal relationship with Christ is telling you, I dare not intervene. But I would ask one thing of you, please make sure it's what your personal relationship with Christ is teaching you, and not your human reasoning. For if this truth is real, you don't want to miss out on it. much love in Christ, Not me Edited April 14, 2018 by Not me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted April 14, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 476 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,559 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,638 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, Not me said: I'm glad Gideon explained how he "knows". Whether or not you believe it, he believes it. The rest is your call. As for if Gideon is a prophet or not, as he says, he has no knowledge of that, nor do I. But I can tell you what I see and know and believe to be true. As Scripture says "I believe therefore I speak". Gideon has stopped being a "carnal Christian" and has become a "spiritual" one. He has entered into the "life of faith". He is actually "living in the spirit". Which is nothing special, it is just being a normal christian something that is not special at all, it is for us all. But it is something that the church as a whole has lost and doesn't even know or believes it exists. He is nothing special, he has just been brought to the end of himself. Where he could cry out from the bottom of his heart "oh, wretched man that I am" and when he did, the Lord took over. I have no doubt that you have a personal relationship with Christ. If these things are indeed true, the only way that you will know is to be convinced by Christ Jesus Himself. But Thanks be to God that your personal relationship with Him is that thing that will reveal all truth to whomever is willing. much love in Christ, Not me All of rom 6 is basic christan teachings. What is wrong is it is inplied that is the way we are saved or justified. We are justified by the blood of jesus. And he also inplies most christians dont aply rom 6 to there life. In the churchs i attended they taught rom 6 and all its truth. Charles Stanley wrote a book on it i read 30 years ago. But being victorioes over sin does not earn us salvation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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