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On 7/26/2018 at 12:50 AM, iamlamad said:

Pay attention and learn: the HOLY SPIRIT working through the church is the restrainer. Got it? When the church has departed, suddenly the Holy Spirit will have no people to work through, and the man of sin will then be revealed: the restrainer will then be "taken out of the way." Some people just want to pull verse 3 out of its context, and run with their theory. 

The Holy Spirit is not the restrainer,Michael is.

II Thessalonians 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"

The subject is our gathering to Christ.

II Thessalonians 2:2 "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand."

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

What day...? Our gathering to Christ,correct?

II Thessalonians 2:4 "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

The "Son of perdition" is Satan and Isaiah just told us this very same thing. Remember, the temple of God is on mount Zion, and "on the side of the North". This person sitting there is sitting in God's seat, pretending to be God: "Showing himself that he is God."

Do you know what Jesus said about this very thing. Jesus called it in Matthew 24:15, the very same thing that Daniel called it in Daniel 9:27; "the Abomination of desolation". A more correct translation in the "James Moffatt translation Bible" is called "The abomination by the desolator".

"Satan claiming to be God" is the abomination, and "he" [Satan] is the desolator, for the entire world will believe him; except for God's elect, and all those who have the seal of God in their minds [foreheads]. The sealed of God have their gospel armor on, and they are ready to face Satan and his system in the spiritual warfare.

Does the "rapture theory" still look inviting to you? If it does, friend, your in a heap of trouble. This is not me talking, but Paul; for he is warning you to be watching out for the Antichrist, for he is a copy of exactly what you expect of Christ. The Antichrist [Satan] will have supernatural powers, and he will come first, before our Lord Jesus Christ.

We are given the exact time of the Antichrist's arrival upon the earth in Revelation 9:1. It is at the sounding of the FIFTH TRUMPET. The trumpets are sounded in order, and the fifth trumpet is prior to the seventh. It can't be that hard to understand. Satan will be God to all the people of the world, including all Christians who do NOT have the seal of God in their minds [foreheads], to know the truth. The fall is because they will not take the simplicity and understanding in which Christ taught.

The whole purpose for Paul to write the II Thessalonians letter, was to warn that church, as well as the churches of today, of the errors in teaching that others were making of his first letter. Don't expect Christ's return to soon, for these things of II Thessalonians 2:1-4 must take place first.

II Thessalonians 2:5 "Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?"

Paul is again reminding them.

II Thessalonians 2:6 "And now ye know what withholdeth [that which restraineth to the end] that he might be revealed in his time [own season]."

"And now", is Paul's reminder to them that they did talk about this when he was with them in person. Who then is this one that would "be revealed in his time?"

The subject here is "the son of perdition", Satan, the Antichrist, or what ever name you desire to use for him. He is Satan, and Satan will commit the "abomination of desolation" of Daniel 9:27; and the church will be here to see it, because the "gathering", or Christ's return follows this.

II Thessalonians 2:7 "For the mystery of iniquity [lawlessness] doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."

There is no mystery around when this will take place, for we will know his methods of operation [withholdeth], and the signs, the seasons, and the times of Satan's arrival to earth. If you are in the Word of God and not following these "one verse preachers", you will know when to expect the Antichrist. You will also know within hours of when to expect our Lord Jesus Christ's return. Satan's reign on earth is not seven years because God reduced that time to five months for the "elect's" sake, as Jesus told us in Matthew 24:22. Jesus also revealed that the time is shortened to five months, to John in Revelation 9:5, and 10.

The "mystery of lawlessness" is the mystery of iniquity. "He who now letteth will let"; in the Greek should be translated; "He who holds fast [ketcho] will stand." The ellipsis, or "omission from an expression of a word clearly implied"; "There is one who hold's fast", instead of by repeating the verb, "will let". However, "katecho" is a transitive verb, and an object must be supplied also. So if the subject in verse six is Satan, then the object must be his position in the heavenlies [see Ephesians 6:12], from which he will be ejected from heaven by Michael [Revelation 12:7-9].

"Out of the way", in the Greek is "out of ek", or "the midst". It is the same expression used in Acts 17:33, and I Corinthians 5:2.

Many "rapture theorists" claim this one who "letteth" is the Holy Spirit, and they claim that when He is "taken away", then the Antichrist will come. By reversing the role of the characters in the verses here, and attributing what is Satan's to the Holy Spirit, you have a whole new doctrine called the "Any moment doctrine". This false doctrine is better known as the "rapture theory". It is dangerous to play around with a foreign language; and when the flock relies upon their shepherd for the truth, and the shepherd is assumed to be correct; in ignorance it is accepted just because he said it.

It is Michael who "holds fast" on to Lucifer [the Antichrist], and Michael will continue to keep Lucifer held until the appointed time, spoken of above. That time is appointed by God. Then at the appointed time God will give Satan the keys [authority] to release his fallen angels and they will be cast to the earth [see Revelation 9:1-10]. Let's take a look at the one [Michael] who holds on to Satan now.

Revelation 12:7; "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels," Michael [that is who the "he" is in II Thessalonians 2:7 and his [Michael's] angels fought against the dragon [another name for Satan] and his [Satan's] fallen angels.

Revelation 12:8; "And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven." This war took place in heaven, and that is where Satan and his angels are now; though Satan's spirit, and demonic spirits are all over the earth today. Now we will see what Michael does with Satan, in fulfilling II Thessalonians 2:7.

Revelation 12:9; "And the great dragon [Satan] was cast out [that is the transitive verb of verse seven], that old serpent [this is the role Satan played in the Garden of Eden], called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world [except for God's elect]: he was cast out onto the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

This is when Satan will physically appear on earth as a man with his angels. This is the time of the Antichrist's coming, and we must know when this time is by when these events takes place, for Satan comes at the sixth trumpet.

Then the verse picks up where Satan is standing in the holy place. Satan's object is to deceive all the world, and have the world take his markings in their minds. God's Word thus says that Satan will come to earth and stand in that Holy place, before Christ will come and gather anyone back to Himself.

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20 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Well, since it's my thread OSAS is fine to discuss.

What you're referring to is sanctification and discipline in our daily walk AFTER coming to faith, Heb 12:4-13. There's a reason why the gift of salvation is free and why we are saved not by works less any man boast. So many trying to enter the kingdom through works and not belief in the finished work of the cross, Matt 7:22-23. It's very sad. 

You are correct, we become born again by FAITH plus nothing. However,  salvation can be lost by being stupid. Believe it for it is truth! Hebrews 6 tells us as much. Don't get me wrong, it is DIFFICULT to get out from under the blood covenant. But we can in by our own will, and if someone wills enough, they can walk right back out. 

We are set apart as soon as we are born again. But just like salvation, there is a man side and a God side to sanctification. 

Every believer should know, sin is a very big thing to God!  That is why He sent His son to die for our sins.  Jesus died potentially for every sin in the world, past, present and future - that is  - all except one sin that He could NOT die for. Yes, there is a sin that cannot be put under the blood. That is the sin of rejecting Jesus Christ and what He as done for us. Since HE is the ONLY WAY to heaven, if any reject Him, they are rejecting their only path to heaven.  The problem will most sinners is their WILL. In other words, they WON'T right now - always wanting to put off a decision for God. As long as they resist coming to Jesus, His blood can do nothing for them. The human will has put untold millions of people into hell.

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13 hours ago, n2thelight said:

The Holy Spirit is not the restrainer,Michael is.

II Thessalonians 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"

The subject is our gathering to Christ.

II Thessalonians 2:2 "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand."

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

What day...? Our gathering to Christ,correct?

II Thessalonians 2:4 "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

The "Son of perdition" is Satan and Isaiah just told us this very same thing. Remember, the temple of God is on mount Zion, and "on the side of the North". This person sitting there is sitting in God's seat, pretending to be God: "Showing himself that he is God."

Do you know what Jesus said about this very thing. Jesus called it in Matthew 24:15, the very same thing that Daniel called it in Daniel 9:27; "the Abomination of desolation". A more correct translation in the "James Moffatt translation Bible" is called "The abomination by the desolator".

"Satan claiming to be God" is the abomination, and "he" [Satan] is the desolator, for the entire world will believe him; except for God's elect, and all those who have the seal of God in their minds [foreheads]. The sealed of God have their gospel armor on, and they are ready to face Satan and his system in the spiritual warfare.

Does the "rapture theory" still look inviting to you? If it does, friend, your in a heap of trouble. This is not me talking, but Paul; for he is warning you to be watching out for the Antichrist, for he is a copy of exactly what you expect of Christ. The Antichrist [Satan] will have supernatural powers, and he will come first, before our Lord Jesus Christ.

We are given the exact time of the Antichrist's arrival upon the earth in Revelation 9:1. It is at the sounding of the FIFTH TRUMPET. The trumpets are sounded in order, and the fifth trumpet is prior to the seventh. It can't be that hard to understand. Satan will be God to all the people of the world, including all Christians who do NOT have the seal of God in their minds [foreheads], to know the truth. The fall is because they will not take the simplicity and understanding in which Christ taught.

The whole purpose for Paul to write the II Thessalonians letter, was to warn that church, as well as the churches of today, of the errors in teaching that others were making of his first letter. Don't expect Christ's return to soon, for these things of II Thessalonians 2:1-4 must take place first.

II Thessalonians 2:5 "Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?"

Paul is again reminding them.

II Thessalonians 2:6 "And now ye know what withholdeth [that which restraineth to the end] that he might be revealed in his time [own season]."

"And now", is Paul's reminder to them that they did talk about this when he was with them in person. Who then is this one that would "be revealed in his time?"

The subject here is "the son of perdition", Satan, the Antichrist, or what ever name you desire to use for him. He is Satan, and Satan will commit the "abomination of desolation" of Daniel 9:27; and the church will be here to see it, because the "gathering", or Christ's return follows this.

II Thessalonians 2:7 "For the mystery of iniquity [lawlessness] doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."

There is no mystery around when this will take place, for we will know his methods of operation [withholdeth], and the signs, the seasons, and the times of Satan's arrival to earth. If you are in the Word of God and not following these "one verse preachers", you will know when to expect the Antichrist. You will also know within hours of when to expect our Lord Jesus Christ's return. Satan's reign on earth is not seven years because God reduced that time to five months for the "elect's" sake, as Jesus told us in Matthew 24:22. Jesus also revealed that the time is shortened to five months, to John in Revelation 9:5, and 10.

The "mystery of lawlessness" is the mystery of iniquity. "He who now letteth will let"; in the Greek should be translated; "He who holds fast [ketcho] will stand." The ellipsis, or "omission from an expression of a word clearly implied"; "There is one who hold's fast", instead of by repeating the verb, "will let". However, "katecho" is a transitive verb, and an object must be supplied also. So if the subject in verse six is Satan, then the object must be his position in the heavenlies [see Ephesians 6:12], from which he will be ejected from heaven by Michael [Revelation 12:7-9].

"Out of the way", in the Greek is "out of ek", or "the midst". It is the same expression used in Acts 17:33, and I Corinthians 5:2.

Many "rapture theorists" claim this one who "letteth" is the Holy Spirit, and they claim that when He is "taken away", then the Antichrist will come. By reversing the role of the characters in the verses here, and attributing what is Satan's to the Holy Spirit, you have a whole new doctrine called the "Any moment doctrine". This false doctrine is better known as the "rapture theory". It is dangerous to play around with a foreign language; and when the flock relies upon their shepherd for the truth, and the shepherd is assumed to be correct; in ignorance it is accepted just because he said it.

It is Michael who "holds fast" on to Lucifer [the Antichrist], and Michael will continue to keep Lucifer held until the appointed time, spoken of above. That time is appointed by God. Then at the appointed time God will give Satan the keys [authority] to release his fallen angels and they will be cast to the earth [see Revelation 9:1-10]. Let's take a look at the one [Michael] who holds on to Satan now.

Revelation 12:7; "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels," Michael [that is who the "he" is in II Thessalonians 2:7 and his [Michael's] angels fought against the dragon [another name for Satan] and his [Satan's] fallen angels.

Revelation 12:8; "And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven." This war took place in heaven, and that is where Satan and his angels are now; though Satan's spirit, and demonic spirits are all over the earth today. Now we will see what Michael does with Satan, in fulfilling II Thessalonians 2:7.

Revelation 12:9; "And the great dragon [Satan] was cast out [that is the transitive verb of verse seven], that old serpent [this is the role Satan played in the Garden of Eden], called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world [except for God's elect]: he was cast out onto the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

This is when Satan will physically appear on earth as a man with his angels. This is the time of the Antichrist's coming, and we must know when this time is by when these events takes place, for Satan comes at the sixth trumpet.

Then the verse picks up where Satan is standing in the holy place. Satan's object is to deceive all the world, and have the world take his markings in their minds. God's Word thus says that Satan will come to earth and stand in that Holy place, before Christ will come and gather anyone back to Himself.

"What day...? Our gathering to Christ,correct?"  WRONG!  NOT the day of the gathering, but the Day of the Lord. 

 

2  not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3  Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 

 

"That day" = "the day of the Lord." Sorry, but the day of the gathering is NOT the day of the Lord.

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3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

You are correct, we become born again by FAITH plus nothing. However,

There is no however,  either Jesus paid the sin penalty or He did not. My vote is that He did.

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salvation can be lost by being stupid. Believe it for it is truth!

salvation is not what's lost iam, crowns and rewards and growth in the spirit is..... Jhn 6:39

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Hebrews 6 tells us as much.

Heb 6:4-6 and Heb 10:26-27 are actually a cross reference for the crucifixion of Christ and is using metaphorical language to describe the maturity of believers in Christ. Not many understand that Heb 6 thought process actually begins at Heb 5:11.

Heb 5:14 But solid food is for the (mature), who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

Heb 6:1 Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to (maturity), not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, 

This has nothing to do with losing salvation, less one believes God throws believers into hell for lack of maturity, which is on the borderline of insanity.

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Don't get me wrong, it is DIFFICULT to get out from under the blood covenant. But we can in by our own will, and if someone wills enough, they can walk right back out. 

No, it's actually impossible. Saved to unsaved to saved again etc... is not biblical. Spiritual abortion of the seed is false.

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We are set apart as soon as we are born again. But just like salvation, there is a man side and a God side to sanctification. 

Right, less you deny the power of God working in a believer?

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Every believer should know, sin is a very big thing to God!  That is why He sent His son to die for our sins.  Jesus died potentially for every sin in the world, past, present and future - that is  - all except one sin that He could NOT die for. Yes, there is a sin that cannot be put under the blood. That is the sin of rejecting Jesus Christ and what He as done for us. Since HE is the ONLY WAY to heaven, if any reject Him, they are rejecting their only path to heaven.  The problem will most sinners is their WILL. In other words, they WON'T right now - always wanting to put off a decision for God. As long as they resist coming to Jesus, His blood can do nothing for them. The human will has put untold millions of people into hell.

Right, the human will that thinks they can make it to heaven through works or daily repentance or whatever false idea they've thought up, when in reality the true Gospel is based on belief in the finished work of the cross.

Belief in the death burial resurrection gets you there, not your filthy works. Isa 64:6.

"It's more of a spirit of pride. Human pride opposes salvation being a free gift. Human pride wants to deserve salvation. You would think that knowing that you can be saved without having to live up to God's standard of perfection would bring relief and hope and it does, but for some, they prefer to slog it out, trying to be good enough to deserve Heaven. Human pride wants to appeal to its own merit, and hard work as if salvation is something to win or to earn.

To human pride, there is something somewhat romantic about the spiritual quest, of seasons of fasting and self-abasement and ascetism and enlightenment, something about a journey in search of truth. That is more far more desirable to those ruled by their pride than the truth that we are nothing but worms, and miserable wretches who deserve nothing but God's contempt. Human pride doesn't take into account how offensive and repugnant our sin is to God. We have lost sight of that. We don't realize what we look like to God. 

So human pride wants to, at best, make salvation a synthesis of God's grace and human effort. Human effort is either placed at the front or at the end. We either must work to get saved or we have to work to stay saved. Either way, at some point, salvation still depends on us from a pride standpoint. To those ruled by pride, salvation can never actually be "free." That is the spirit behind the anti-OSAS mentality."  - shiloh357 www(dot)worthychristianforums(dot)com

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9 hours ago, iamlamad said:

What day...? Our gathering to Christ,correct?"  WRONG!  NOT the day of the gathering, but the Day of the Lord. 

So what part of the subject did you miss?

II Thessalonians 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"

What coming is the above?

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On 8/9/2018 at 3:57 AM, n2thelight said:

The Holy Spirit is not the restrainer,Michael is.

II Thessalonians 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"

The subject is our gathering to Christ.

II Thessalonians 2:2 "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand."

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

What day...? Our gathering to Christ,correct?

The truth is it's the apostasy and the revealing of the beast that restrains the coming of the Lord and the gathering.

No other way to read this passage.

Not Michael. 

Not the church.

Not the Holy Spirit. 

None of the above holds back anything in this passage.

Paul is saying the Lord won't come until after the apostasy and the revealing of the beast, just in a different way, but we all knew that already. 

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17 hours ago, n2thelight said:

So what part of the subject did you miss?

II Thessalonians 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"

What coming is the above?

I missed nothing. The THEME is the gathering. But the gathering is NOT the Day of the Lord, nor is the DAY the gathering. The DAY is a dark day of destruction, while the Gathering is going to be a glorious day - for the church. 

What you are missing is that the gathering is hidden in the departure or departing of the saints in verse 3. The church must be "taken out of the way" and then the man of sin will be revealed. And those that see it will then KNOW that the DAY has come, and they are in it.

You see, in verse 3B, make no mistake!  the man of sin IS (think has been) revealed. But according to verses 6-8 he cannot be revealed until the restraining force has been "taken out of the way." Therefore, verse 3A has to be the restraining force removed. It can be nothing else.

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6 hours ago, Diaste said:

The truth is it's the apostasy and the revealing of the beast that restrains the coming of the Lord and the gathering.

No other way to read this passage.

Not Michael. 

Not the church.

Not the Holy Spirit. 

None of the above holds back anything in this passage.

Paul is saying the Lord won't come until after the apostasy and the revealing of the beast, just in a different way, but we all knew that already. 

Sorry, but that is not the intent of the Author in this passage.  The theme of the passage is the gathering. Therefore the understanding of the passage MUST include the gathering. 

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On 8/9/2018 at 10:29 PM, Heb 13:8 said:

No, it's actually impossible. Saved to unsaved to saved again etc... is not biblical. Spiritual abortion of the seed is false.

This is absolutely true. If the Holy Spirit leaves a believer, He will never return.  Our difference though is IF the Holy Spirit will ever leave. I think scripture proves He will under certain circumstances. One thing I think both of us will agree on: God is not going to force someone to live in heaven that no longer wants to live in heaven. 

Hebrews 6 shows us a progression, from a new believer to a mature believer  - one who knows the power of God - one who has had God's power through him or her to heal another. An example is one who has had the gift of miracles working through them, or the gifts of faith. Paul tells us, if such a one falls away, it is simply impossible for them to come back to God. The Holy Spirit will have left and He will not return. 

Then again, God tells us in another verse: if we don't forgive, then neither will God forgive.  Sorry, but an unforgiven (By God) person is not going to heaven. Unforgiveness is sin not forgiven and is sin not under the Blood of the covenant. 

The truth is, this doctrine you are teaching has sent many to hell, and will continue to send people to hell that imagine they cannot lose their salvation. God is not to be mocked! What ever a man sows, that is exactly what He will reap. Same with females. 

Did you not read that thieves will not make it to heaven? Did you not read that liars will not make it to heaven? Sadly there are some born again people who are thieves. God is not going to allow the sin of thievery into heaven. Heaven is a place where there are no locks on doors! Imagine if God allowed a thief into heaven! it would no longer be heaven. 

The truth is, NOTHING - no outside power - is strong enough to take our salvation from us. But each born again believer has a will - and that will can change its mind and choose against God. That will can choose to steal. That will can choose to tell lies. And that will can choose to begin running from God instead of running to Him. And that will can forget that 1 John 1:9 is even in the bible. 

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35 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

If the Holy Spirit leaves a believer, He will never return.  Our difference though is IF the Holy Spirit will ever leave. I think scripture proves He will under certain circumstances.

The Holy Spirit is actually with the believer until redemption, Eph 1:13-14. To the religious, salvation isn't secure because they never came to a saving faith in Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is just a term thrown around, but to a true believers He is tangible in us.

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One thing I think both of us will agree on: God is not going to force someone to live in heaven that no longer wants to live in heaven. 

Well that's true, why would someone who never came to faith want to go to heaven. Is this the part where you say God isn't a rapist.

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Hebrews 6 shows us a progression, from a new believer to a mature believer  - one who knows the power of God - one who has had God's power through him or her to heal another. An example is one who has had the gift of miracles working through them, or the gifts of faith. Paul tells us, if such a one falls away, it is simply impossible for them to come back to God. The Holy Spirit will have left and He will not return. 

Heb 6 is metaphorical, not literal. It's describing the maturity of believers. Ignoring my post doesn't make it any less true.

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Then again, God tells us in another verse: if we don't forgive, then neither will God forgive.  Sorry, but an unforgiven (By God) person is not going to heaven. Unforgiveness is sin not forgiven and is sin not under the Blood of the covenant. 

Using parables to disprove facts is false.

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The truth is, this doctrine you are teaching has sent many to hell, and will continue to send people to hell that imagine they cannot lose their salvation.

No, people end up in hell because of their disbelief in the death burial resurrection, Rom 10:9. Jesus will say to iam, depart from me ye worker of iniquity. I never knew you, I never had a relationship with you. Matt 7:22-23

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Did you not read that thieves will not make it to heaven? Did you not read that liars will not make it to heaven? Sadly there are some born again people who are thieves. God is not going to allow the sin of thievery into heaven. Heaven is a place where there are no locks on doors! Imagine if God allowed a thief into heaven! it would no longer be heaven. 

The truth is, NOTHING - no outside power - is strong enough to take our salvation from us. But each born again believer has a will - and that will can change its mind and choose against God. That will can choose to steal. That will can choose to tell lies. And that will can choose to begin running from God instead of running to Him. And that will can forget that 1 John 1:9 is even in the bible. 

Did you not read that the accuser of the brethren will not make it to heaven, non-osas is the road to destruction.

Neh 6:13 They were hoping to intimidate me and make me sin. Then they would be able to accuse and discredit me.

Job 1:6 One day the members of the heavenly court came to present themselves before the LORD, and the Accuser, Satan, came with them.

Psa 27:12 Do not let me fall into their hands. For they accuse me of things I've never done; with every breath they threaten me with violence.

Psa 31:18 Silence their lying lips— those proud and arrogant lips that accuse the godly.

Psa 35:11 Malicious witnesses testify against me. They accuse me of crimes I know nothing about.

Isa 50:8 He who vindicates me is near. Who then will bring charges against me? Let us face each other! Who is my accuser? Let him confront me!

Isa 54:17 But in that coming day no weapon turned against you will succeed. You will silence every voice raised up to accuse you. These benefits are enjoyed by the servants of the LORD; their vindication will come from me. I, the LORD, have spoken!

Jer 2:29 Why do you accuse me of doing wrong? You are the ones who have rebelled,” says the LORD.

Eze 22:9 People accuse others falsely and send them to their death. You are filled with idol worshipers and people who do obscene things.

Zec 3:1 Then the angel showed me Jeshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD. The Accuser, Satan, was there at the angel's right hand, making accusations against Jeshua.

Jhn 8:46 Which of you can truthfully accuse me of sin? And since I am telling you the truth, why don't you believe me?

Act 24:13 These men cannot prove the things they accuse me of doing.

Act 26:7 In fact, that is why the twelve tribes of Israel zealously worship God night and day, and they share the same hope I have. Yet, Your Majesty, they accuse me for having this hope!

Rom 2:15 They demonstrate that God's law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.

Rom 8:33 Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? No one--for God himself has given us right standing with himself.

1Pe 2:12 Be careful to live properly among your unbelieving neighbors. Then even if they accuse you of doing wrong, they will see your honorable behavior, and they will give honor to God when he judges the world.

Jde 1:9 But even Michael, one of the mightiest of the angels, did not dare accuse the devil of blasphemy, but simply said, “The Lord rebuke you!” (This took place when Michael was arguing with the devil about Moses' body.)

Rev 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.

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