Halloween

[bryan]

26 minutes ago, Follower Of Jesus said:

Then you don't know scripture, because I paraphrased many verses. 

That comment about nothing substantiated by scripture was a good chance for you to reply with scripture to clarify things.  Since you replied saying 'you don't know scripture', that let's us know all we need.

[Guest PinkBelt]

29 minutes ago, Follower Of Jesus said:

Then you don't know scripture, because I paraphrased many verses. 

How about you actually show the verses. I presume you have access to bible gateway.

[LadyKay]

42 minutes ago, Follower Of Jesus said:

Scenario 2: You don't buy halloween themed candy. When they come to your door, you tell them you don't celebrate, and explain why. You explain why it's evil and Satanic, what the "super fun cute holiday" is based on. Which is, pagan, occult, satanism. 

Around here you just don't turn on your porch light. 

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You buy candy with pictures of jackolaterns, witch's, ghosts(demons), etc. Children come to your door dressed as zombies and monsters, you give them candy. (If you have themed decorations, you keep these companies in business). 

Not all candy handing out on Halloween has pictures of ghost, monsters ect ect. Most of the time it is just candy like  Hershey fun size candy or Reese Cups. One  house I went to gave out cans of pop and one was giving out money. 

 

In the end if you don't like it, don't agree with it. Then don't do it. 

[Guest PinkBelt]

55 minutes ago, Follower Of Jesus said:

My opinions? I explained why its fact, using scripture.

If a kid comes to your door, dressed as a demon, and you hand him candy. You partake in his celebration. If you so much as bid a sinner "God-speed, you partake in their sin". Then how much more is it partaking, by indirectly encouraging children to celebrate. You don't send them away rebuking them(Which we are told to do!!) You are sending them away, with what they came to get. You are sending them to hell faster. 

Instead of telling people not to celebrate and instead turn to Jesus. You do the opposite and hand out candy, thereby encouraging them to celebrate. But "it's ok, because I give them a little tract". That is the exact definition of drinking from the cup of God and cup of demons.

By association, you partake. What's next, you'll go to a Satanist church, take part in their rituals. But it's ok because you handed out a little tract, and you don't actually celebrate in name. You have little clue what celebrating means. Any actions taken that are in association with any holiday, is in fact celebrating. The fact you don't, celebrate "all of it", doesn't change anything.

If you think I'm wrong, let's examine:

Scenario 1: You buy candy with pictures of jack-o-lanterns, witch's, ghosts(demons), etc. Children come to your door dressed as zombies and monsters, you give them candy. (If you have themed decorations, you keep these companies in business). 

Result: The child thinks, "oh, this 'Christian' lady gave me candy, so it must be ok to celebrate". They eat your candy, throw out your card, and continue sinning. Buying these candies, you keep these non-christian companies in business, thus encouraging them to market based on this Satanic holiday. You indirectly encourage them to come next year, so they can get more candy. 

Scenario 2: You don't buy Halloween themed candy. When they come to your door, you tell them you don't celebrate, and explain why. You explain why it's evil and Satanic, what the "super fun cute holiday" is based on. Which is, pagan, occult, satanism. 

Result: They go home and since you didn't give them candy, they are more focused on what you said. Children are molded easily and don't understand what they're doing. They do it, because their friends do it, because their parents teach them. You are not helping the cause, and the opposite rather. You keep Halloween running and therefore, you are responsible for it's celebration. The company selling Halloween themed candy and decorations, lose just a little bit more profit. Not gain. 

Not only that, it's better a millstone is hung on your neck, and you were cast into the depth of the sea. Whoever causes a little one to stumble, gets likewise. 

Your personal conviction and upbringing, doesn't change what God commands.

 

More than likely they will walk away as I stand there ranting like a crazy lady, and I'll possibly end up cleaning tissue paper and eggs off my trees and windows. I very seldom see kids dressed up as monsters and demons, and the vast majority of the time they are dressed like superheros, robots and animals. To equate giving children candy and a tract with attending a satanic church shows extreme hyperbole on your part and a lack of judgement.

Satan is not omniscient or omnipresent, only God is so it is therefore ridiculous to think that Satan is personally behind every single thing simultaneously. The bible has never told Christians to rebuke people, just sin. Jesus taught us to bring people in, that a kind word turns away wrath and most of all to be in the world, just not of it. I am not going to scream at or berate people at my door because it doesn't win people over for the Lord and it makes me a poor witness.

Ranting against Halloween, Harry Potter, Star Wars or whatever piece of fiction/fantasy might make you personally feel good, but what said ranting does not do is advance the kingdom or to God. It is a shallow, superficial display meant to make one feel like a warrior for the Lord without actually getting in the trenches.

 

I do not care about Halloween, horror movies or fantasy literature because there are real evils in the world such as child abuse, hunger and corruption that need my attention.

Edited October 6, 2018 by PinkBelt

[Follower Of Jesus]

6 minutes ago, PinkBelt said:

How about you actually show the verses. I presume you have access to bible gateway.

 

8 minutes ago, bryan said:

That comment about nothing substantiated by scripture was a good chance for you to reply with scripture to clarify things.  Since you replied saying 'you don't know scripture', that let's us know all we need.

 

On a Christian forum, we expect others to know scripture. But for your sake I will gladly.

You're not arguing with me. You're arguing against the word of God. Tread carefully.

2 John 1:9 "Anyone who runs ahead without remaining in the teaching of Christ does not have God. Whoever remains in His teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you but does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home or even greet him. Whoever greets such a person shares in his evil deeds."

2 Corinthians 11:14 "And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their actions."

Matthew 7:18 "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire."

1 John 5:19 "We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one."

Mark 7:8 "You have disregarded the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men."

Isaiah 5:20 "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter."

Luke 17:2 "It would be better for him to have a millstone hung around his neck and to be thrown into the sea than to cause one of these little ones to stumble."

1 Corinthians 10:21 "You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot partake in the table of the Lord and the table of demons too."

1 Thessalonians 5:22 "Abstain from all appearance of evil."

Ephesians 5:6 "Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them. For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."

 

 

[Follower Of Jesus]

14 minutes ago, LadyKay said:

 

Not all candy handing out on Halloween has pictures of ghost, monsters ect ect. Most of the time it is just candy like  Hershey fun size candy or Reese Cups. One  house I went to gave out cans of pop and one was giving out money. 

 

In the end if you don't like it, don't agree with it. Then don't do it. 

I don't like it, and I don't do it.

My job as a Christian, is to show the truth to others who are blinded by the world. Full of white sins. 

It's all a deception. Pleasing on the outside, dead on the inside. Demons clothing themselves in righteousness. 

So many are deceived and fall quickly. Turing off the narrow path, into the broad way to destruction. 

[Guest PinkBelt]

3 minutes ago, Follower Of Jesus said:

 

 

On a Christian forum, we expect others to know scripture. But for your sake I will gladly.

You're not arguing with me. You're arguing against the word of God. Tread carefully.

2 John 1:9 "Anyone who runs ahead without remaining in the teaching of Christ does not have God. Whoever remains in His teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you but does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home or even greet him. Whoever greets such a person shares in his evil deeds."

2 Corinthians 11:14 "And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their actions."

Matthew 7:18 "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire."

1 John 5:19 "We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one."

Mark 7:8 "You have disregarded the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men."

Isaiah 5:20 "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter."

Luke 17:2 "It would be better for him to have a millstone hung around his neck and to be thrown into the sea than to cause one of these little ones to stumble."

1 Corinthians 10:21 "You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot partake in the table of the Lord and the table of demons too."

1 Thessalonians 5:22 "Abstain from all appearance of evil."

Ephesians 5:6 "Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them. For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."

 

 

God is my judge, not you so I'll tread as I please.

I don't see how those verses prove your point, as they mostly talk about abstaining from sin. This is called a circular argument, where you personally declare something a sin without proof, and then post these verses as if your original statement were correct.

This is also a logical fallacy called false premise.

[Follower Of Jesus]

14 minutes ago, PinkBelt said:

More than likely they will walk away as I stand there ranting like a crazy lady, and I'll possibly end up cleaning tissue paper and eggs off my trees and windows. I very seld...

If they walk off, that's on them. You told them the truth boldly and planted the seed of God in their hearts. Not hiding the word in a piece of candy.

I will gladly clean my house of tissue and eggs, if it means I'm doing the work of the Lord. If you are ashamed to teach the name of Jesus, Jesus will be ashamed of you in front of the Father(scripture).

Like I said, the devil makes evil things seem cute. Children wearing superheors or robots, does not EXCUSE what they are celebrating. They go home and watch horror movies and filth. Of this, you're not rebuking them. You look at "how cute they are in their costumes", meanwhile they are headed farther from God. Rather, than teaching them about Jesus, their parents and likewise you, are sending them straight for damnation. Children should be praising the name of God, not dressing up in a disguised evil holiday, eating processed sugar.

There is an army of demons behind Satan. He cannot simultaneously be everywhere, but he can plant a seed of evil, that will simultaneously corrupt many.

20 minutes ago, PinkBelt said:

The bible has never told Christians to rebuke people, just sin

And you're not doing even that. 

1 Timothy 5:20 "As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear."

22 minutes ago, PinkBelt said:

I am not going to scream at or berate people at my door because it doesn't win people over for the Lord and it makes me a poor witness.

You're making the teaching of Jesus, to automatically be "screaming and berating"?

Oh you poor soul. 

 

[Follower Of Jesus]

9 minutes ago, PinkBelt said:

God is my judge, not you so I'll tread as I please.

I don't see how those verses prove your point, as they mostly talk about abstaining from sin. This is called a circular argument, where you personally declare something a sin without proof, and then post these verses as if your original statement were correct.

This is also a logical fallacy called false premise.

God will judge you by his word, and you're avoiding his word for the sake of your traditions.

You asked for verses, I gave them. These were paraphrased and contrasted in my original post.

You were never going to believe these verses were relevant, even before you asked. You're expecting a verse like, "don't celebrate halloween or go to hell".

If God had a list of specific things to avoid. I can guarantee 10000% halloween and any association thereof, would be on that list!!

He would not say, "Halloween is bad, but give the kids candy and a little tract, so they will come to me". If you think he would, then you do not know God. Because you do not know his word.

 

[Guest PinkBelt]

1 minute ago, Follower Of Jesus said:

God will judge you by his word, and you're avoiding his word for the sake of your traditions.

You asked for verses, I gave them. These were paraphrased and contrasted in my original post.

You were never going to believe these verses were relevant, even before you asked. You're expecting a verse like, "don't celebrate Halloween or go to hell".

If God had a list of specific things to avoid. I can guarantee 10000% Halloween and any association thereof, would be on that list!!

He would not say, "Halloween is bad, but give the kids candy and a little tract, so they will come to me". If you think he would, then you do not know God. Because you do not know his word.

 

I am expecting verses that are tangibly related to celebrating secular holidays, wearing costumes or consuming fictional stories. Restating your position over and over does not make it more correct nor does your ad hominem attacks prove your case.

I would also advise you not to speak for the Lord or make presumptions on what he thinks on a matter.

 

Anyway, as you have chosen to become rude and belligerent I am withdrawing from the discussion.