Elijah's mantle?

[Matthitjah]

I cut and pasted this from another post of Mine.

Sorry time was short and I had to go to work.

I have questions about Elijah's Mantle and hsi spirit of boldness.Any thoughts on this anyone?

Now I've not spent much time on Elijah. Although I've read the whole Bible. I do know the story of Elijah and Elisha. I also do know John the Baptist came in the Spirit of Elijah for those who would receive it. I also know that the spirit of Elijah is the Holy Spirit. Now that rest's in the body of Christ. I will now go on and study Elijah and Elisha as well as John some more. Having reread those pertinent chapters.

I also know Elijah is to reappear before the return of Christ.

But is he to reappear the way he did in the form of John? As in his Spirit of Boldness declaring the way of Christ. Will the corporate body of Christ dcelare boldly the coming of our Savior in the Spirit of Elijah? Does this tie in with my understanding of the 2 Witness's? Are we Elijah who is to come? Will this War open a door to Great Tribulation? Will we boldly win Saint's for Christ? Is there even now a remnant as in Elijahs time who won't bend the knee to A.C.?

Any thought's would be welcome.

Peace :il: Amen

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Dr. Luke,

The first time we hear of the Elijah "spirit' in the NT, is of course John the Baptist. This spirit was to "make straight paths for the Lord". The 2nd time we shall see this "spirit" will be to "restore all things". I believe one of the main characteristics of Elijah was that he was known as the "prophet of fire", and I believe you see this, as you say, in the two witnesses in Revelation.

Here is how I see those days:

We see in Eph 1-3 that Christ is currently building a "habitation, wherein God shall dwell through His Holy Spirit". It consists of both Jew and Gentile. This "habitation" will be completed when the "fulness of the gentiles be come in (to the kingdom) (Rom 11), and ALL Israel is saved. The key to understanding this is:

Romans 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

We currently have received great "riches" in Christ because the Gospel departed from Jacob and went to the Gentiles, how much greater riches shall we receive when they are returned to the fold?

Then we have this verse:

Romans 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

What can this point to but the "resurrection"? And here we see the "reconciling of the world", and this verse I relate to the Elijah "spirit", when he "restores all things".

It will be a time of TERRIBLE persecution of ALL the saints, but at the same time, God will be manifesting Himself through these saints like never before in the body of Christ's history.

Thus the two witnesses are the Jew and Gentile as they are united as one in Christ, to be the light of the world.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[tsth]

Will the corporate body of Christ dcelare boldly the coming of our Savior in the Spirit of Elijah? Does this tie in with my understanding of the 2 Witness's? Are we Elijah who is to come? Will this War open a door to Great Tribulation? Will we boldly win Saint's for Christ? Is there even now a remnant as in Elijahs time who won't bend the knee to A.C.?

Yes, and they will be revealed by the Power of the Grace of God, through the working of the Lord Jesus Christ within them.

(See the threads on grace and the temple, it is all one in the same)

But the Grace of God must be realized first by His people.

Christians and Jews alike!

Dear Dr. Luke,  as I was in my study time this morning, this verse came to light to study.  I was impressed by the word "ones" in regard to your thread question.  "Who" will be the two witnesses?  Yes, I agree, I believe it will be the 2 groups chosen by God to glorify His Name.

Zechariah 4:14

So he said, "These are the two anointed ones, who stand beside the Lord of the whole earth."

"ones" can be defined as a group or children, according to Strongs def. of the Hebrew.

I just saw a very interesting revelation in Scripture in that I felt that the rebuilding of the temple (Us, as Christians), would be revealed, when the True understanding about Grace, came to light!

[Matthitjah]

Glory and much Joy! (((("Shout's Luke")))) Our Lord is great indeed!Amen!

The Lord has been leading me lately towards this revelation.

First there was much groundwork for him to lay. Thus my keen interest in the things of Revelation. The common Christian interpretations I had heard just didn't fit. The witness' and the 144,000 and the ressurection of the just must first have been rectified in my mind.

tsth,

When do you see the body recognizing the Grace(or having the power given to them as in Revelation 11)? Secondly spirit of Elijah was not manifested the same way in John the Baptist. He was Bold and certainly annointed yet not able to do some of the works of Elijah. He even questioned whether Christ was the one to come. Although he had certainly seen the Dove descending and heard the voice of G-d.

Dad Ernie,

If the ressurection is the turning point then that is also the reconcilling because in my mind the Rapture happens  during or shortly after the ressurection. What time would there be for the body to act with such power of boldness?

I don't see the boldness right now. Do you believe we will see this boldness manifested soon?

Peace :il: Amen

[tsth]

But is he to reappear the way he did in the form of John? As in his Spirit of Boldness declaring the way of Christ. Will the corporate body of Christ dcelare boldly the coming of our Savior in the Spirit of Elijah?

The Day of Judgment

Malachi 3:1 "Behold, I send My messenger, And he will prepare the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, Will suddenly come to His temple, Even the Messenger of the covenant, In whom you delight. Behold, He is coming," Says the Lord of hosts. 2 "But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears?

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Dr. Luke,

If the ressurection is the turning point then that is also the reconcilling because in my mind the Rapture happens  during or shortly after the ressurection. What time would there be for the body to act with such power of boldness?

I think what Romans 11:15 is saying is that when we see the Jews returned to the fold (regrafted in to the Olive tree), then the "resurrection" is not far behind. Since the two witnesses "witness" for 3 1/2 years, I see the Jews coming to Christ immediately prior or during those 3 1/2 years, but by the end of it, ALL will be full of the Elijah Spirit and then the resurrection will occur. I hope I wasn't too confusing in my last post.

I don't see the boldness right now. Do you believe we will see this boldness manifested soon?

I think in the mission field we are seeing some of this boldness now, but there will soon come the day when men will no longer listen to sound doctrine, that is the church will no longer teach sound Biblical principles, and when you see the Christians flocking to the street to preach AND to find fellowship with like-minded individuals, THEN we will know the time is upon us.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Matthitjah]

tsth,

Thanks

Ernie,

Thanks

I think the time may be soon. Until then I will keep studying and preparing.

Peace

:il: Amen

[Brad]

I believe that John being Elijah just foreshadowed the return of Christ in us.

If the two witness of Rev.11 are the law "being Moses" and the prophets "being Elijah" spiritually speaking that is. Then this may make more sense in that what is already happening.

Right now many churches preach that old covenant laws apply for us now. SDA's for example with Saturday and many for Sunday as a Commandment keeping day, and this has caused the heavens to shut up with no rain as in the "coming of the Lord" according to Hosea 6:3. The 1,260 days "three and a half years" that the two witnesses prophesy in the streets may represent the time that the church has gone through persecution and done the works that Jesus did according to Luke 4:18 and Mark 16 where is says these signs shall follow them that believe.

So then the three and a half years simply may represent the church age living like Jesus did for His three and a half years of ministry and being persecuted.

Now with the Former Adventist and some Pentecostal churches seeing a spiritual rest in Christ as fulfillment of the Sabbath Command and the laws of the Spirit a fulfillment of the old covenant laws, we are seeing these two witnesses laying as dead on the streets, and we are no more listing to Moses and Elijah, but to what Jesus says. Remember on the Mount of configuration when Moses , Elijah and Jesus appeared together and the disciples wanted to make alters for all three. But then a voice came from heaven and said this is my beloved Son listen to Him. Now we are doing that and moving into the Day of the Lord "1000 years" known as the Kingdom Age. And as the church in general moves on up into the top chamber or being caught up into the third heaven according to the temple pattern in Ezek. 41:7