Those Days Will Be Shortened

[childoftheking]

This SPECIFICALLY EXPLAINS what the WRATH of God is:

 

Revelation 11:18 

And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

LOOK ^

This explains WRATH IS COME and it's time for the DEAD (SINNERS WHO DENIED GOD) will be JUDGED (LAKE of FIRE)

 

THIS REVEALS GOD'S WRATH IS JUDGEMENT, not the Tribulation!!

 

Wow, don't you actually read the Word of God?

 

This is as plain as day, that the WRATH of GOD = JUDGEMENT on the SINNERS.......and has NOTHING to do with Tribulation at all!!

Edited April 29, 2019 by childoftheking

[childoftheking]

More references that WRATH = JUDGEMENT, not Tribulation:

 

Revelation 14:10 

The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

 

This verse 14:10, WRATH = TORMENTED WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE = Lake of Fire.......this is not even remotely close to Tribulation!!

 

 

This verse = Armageddon

 

Revelation 19:15 

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

 

 

 

When does Armageddon take place?

 

After the Tribulation, and after the ELECT are gathered, like Yeshua claimed in Matthew 24.

 

 

 

The WRATH of God is Armageddon that leads into the Great White Throne Judgement.

 

Nowhere does WRATH = Tribulation!!

 

Study to show thyself APPROVED!!

 

You need to STUDY!!

 

Nothing you have offered would be APPROVED by God!!

Edited April 29, 2019 by childoftheking

[Last Daze]

10 hours ago, iamlamad said:

It is amazing how you read "trumpet" when it is not in ANY of those verses.  I read trumpet in 1 Thes 4 though. Instead of guessing, you should ask the Lord, WHO is being raised up here on the last day?  Keep in mind, the church did not exist when Jesus said this. Then again, "the last day" could refer to the ENTIRE DAY OF THE LORD, which will be a long, extended period of time.  

Read 1 thes. 5 and discover WHEN Paul's "last trump" will sound. Oh, search to your heart's content in 1 Cor. 15: you will not find "the last day" there either.

 

By the way, if we "wait for His Son from heaven" is that not speaking of A COMING?

Isn't there a resurrection of those who are Christ's associated with the last trumpet, the dead in Christ?  In John 6, Jesus tells us that the resurrection of those who believe in Him takes place on the last day.

Again, last trumpet on the last day. Endure to the end.  Persevere.  Be ready brother, and encourage others to be as well.  May Jesus be glorified.

[iamlamad]

58 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Isn't there a resurrection of those who are Christ's associated with the last trumpet, the dead in Christ?  In John 6, Jesus tells us that the resurrection of those who believe in Him takes place on the last day.

Again, last trumpet on the last day. Endure to the end.  Persevere.  Be ready brother, and encourage others to be as well.  May Jesus be glorified.

You are right; AT THAT TIME when Jesus spoke those words, those to whom He was talking to were JEWS. The church had not been started yet. You are comparing apples with oranges: both are round, the they are different. God has and always will deal DIFFERENTLY with the Jews and with the church.  He WILL raise up the Old Testament saints on the last day. Did you not notice that on that last day (the 7th vial) there will be the world's worst ever earthquake - so violent the mountains will shake down into the earth? Why such a violent earthquake? It will be caused when God raises those from the dead who were living BEFORE THE FLOOD. There is a saying, "scattered over hell's half acre." In this case, the particles that once made up their bodies could be thousands of miles apart, and some could be miles deep in the earth. This great earthquake is a clue that God raised up the Old Testament saints - as you say - "on the last day."

The Gentile church of today is as a parenthesis inserted into the Jewish time-line. God gave Israel some time to Accept their risen Messiah, as seen in Acts the first few chapters. But the day came, God sent Paul to the Gentiles. God allowed the Jews to be blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles will come in. That is US in the church age. OUR resurrection is not related to the Jews resurrection: different group of people with different verses associated.  For the rapture, there is only ONE PLACE in scripture to go, and that is Paul's writing. "Endure to the end" is for the JEWS, not for the church. 

There are three groups of people on earth with verses pointed to each group. When someone takes verses pointed to the Jews and imagine they are for the church, confusion reigns!

[iamlamad]

7 hours ago, childoftheking said:

More references that WRATH = JUDGEMENT, not Tribulation:

 

Revelation 14:10 

The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

 

This verse 14:10, WRATH = TORMENTED WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE = Lake of Fire.......this is not even remotely close to Tribulation!!

 

 

This verse = Armageddon

 

Revelation 19:15 

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

 

When does Armageddon take place?

 

After the Tribulation, and after the ELECT are gathered, like Yeshua claimed in Matthew 24.

 

The WRATH of God is Armageddon that leads into the Great White Throne Judgement.

 

Nowhere does WRATH = Tribulation!!

 

Study to show thyself APPROVED!!

 

You need to STUDY!!

 

Nothing you have offered would be APPROVED by God!!

My friend, it is you who seem slack on the studying part. Go back and look: GOD and John tell us that WRATH begins at the 6th seal. You probably don't know this, but the 70th week or the "tribulation" as you call it BEGINS at the 7th seal, and ENDS at the 7th vial. (The 7th trumpet marks the midpoint.)  God's wrath begins with the start of the DAY, which begins at the 6th seal. In other words, the DAY starts, then the WEEK starts. The "tribulation" as you call it will be INSIDE the Day of the Lord.

Every Trumpet judgment (first half of the week) will be God's wrath, and He begins to systematically destroy the earth and the sinners on the earth.  How could you read that 1/3 of the population dies, and it NOT be God's wrath? From Old Testament scriptures, THE DAY is about God destroying the planet and the sinners on the planet, and we know that THE DAY is the Day of His Wrath. (All we have to do is read to know this.) 

By the time the last half of the week comes, and the sinners left have not repented, God then completes His anger in the vials. they are FILLED with His wrath. (All we have to do is read to know this.) At this time, Jesus has not come, and Armageddon is still future. The week ENDS at the 7th vial. ("It is done.")

This all comes straight from the Word of God.

[iamlamad]

7 hours ago, childoftheking said:

This SPECIFICALLY EXPLAINS what the WRATH of God is:

 

Revelation 11:18 

And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

LOOK ^

This explains WRATH IS COME and it's time for the DEAD (SINNERS WHO DENIED GOD) will be JUDGED (LAKE of FIRE)

 

THIS REVEALS GOD'S WRATH IS JUDGEMENT, not the Tribulation!!

 

Wow, don't you actually read the Word of God?

 

This is as plain as day, that the WRATH of GOD = JUDGEMENT on the SINNERS.......and has NOTHING to do with Tribulation at all!!

You have not even recognized that this is PROPHECY given by the elders. "They wrath is come" is a Greek Aorist tense verb that shows NO TIMING AT ALL.  Back up to the 6th seal and learn where His wrath will begin.

"The time of the dead that they should be judged" PROPHECY that will be fullfilled later. Chapter 20 tells us the sinners won't be judged until after the 1000 year reign of Christ. 

The rewards to the prophets and saints will not come until Jesus sets up His kingdom AFTER the trib has finished. (It finishes at the 7th vial.)  

Wow! Why don't you read the Word of God with understanding?"

The wrath of God is ALL THROUGH the "tribulation." His wrath is also concurrent with Satan's wrath. The vials of God's wrath are poured out when Satan's wrath is at its peak. 

Please, identify for us where you place "the tribulation" in Revelation. We can go on from there.

Then, please identify what will CAUSE "the tribulation?" What IS IT?

[iamlamad]

8 hours ago, childoftheking said:

What is absolutely cracking me up, is that you believe TRIBULATION is God's unleashed WRATH hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

The Tribulation is NOTHING compared to God's WRATH in Armageddon and the Great White Throne Judgement where His Wrath casts those who opposed Him in life into the Lake of Fire!!

 

Whoever instructed you that the TRIBULATION is God's WRATH is dumber than a box of rocks!!

 

The Tribulation is the Adversary's, the False Prophet, the Antichrist's time to shine.

Even the TWO WITNESSES do not unleash WRATH (although some will die when trying to attack them).   If Tribulation was God's WRATH, the Two Witnesses would not die!!

 

You are so lost you need more than obvious directions to get back on track!!

I suggest telling your Pastor goodbye, and go find one WITH A CLUE!!

This might be humorous, except it is you who are missing the truth.

I will be waiting for you to delineate the "trib" for us, where it is in Revelation and really WHAT it is.

For example, Jesus said there would be days of "great tribulation." Would you include those days in "the tribulation?"

[Last Daze]

9 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

You are right; AT THAT TIME when Jesus spoke those words, those to whom He was talking to were JEWS. The church had not been started yet. You are comparing apples with oranges: both are round, the they are different. God has and always will deal DIFFERENTLY with the Jews and with the church.  He WILL raise up the Old Testament saints on the last day. Did you not notice that on that last day (the 7th vial) there will be the world's worst ever earthquake - so violent the mountains will shake down into the earth? Why such a violent earthquake? It will be caused when God raises those from the dead who were living BEFORE THE FLOOD. There is a saying, "scattered over hell's half acre." In this case, the particles that once made up their bodies could be thousands of miles apart, and some could be miles deep in the earth. This great earthquake is a clue that God raised up the Old Testament saints - as you say - "on the last day."

The Gentile church of today is as a parenthesis inserted into the Jewish time-line. God gave Israel some time to Accept their risen Messiah, as seen in Acts the first few chapters. But the day came, God sent Paul to the Gentiles. God allowed the Jews to be blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles will come in. That is US in the church age. OUR resurrection is not related to the Jews resurrection: different group of people with different verses associated.  For the rapture, there is only ONE PLACE in scripture to go, and that is Paul's writing. "Endure to the end" is for the JEWS, not for the church. 

There are three groups of people on earth with verses pointed to each group. When someone takes verses pointed to the Jews and imagine they are for the church, confusion reigns!

Everything will be revealed in its time.  The best I can do is echo the words of Jesus.

• What I say to you I say to all, ‘Be on the alert!’  Mark 13:37

[iamlamad]

8 hours ago, childoftheking said:

 Obviously, what everyone wrote about, WHICH PAUL DID NOT, has to coincide with what God said in Person.   So obviously, If God claims we the Elect will go through the Tribulation, then no matter how much you twist what others claim, is absolutely FALSE.   But, if you take what everyone else wrote and align it up with the ONLY ONE THAT MATTERS CLAIMED, they flow with Matthew 24.

Since your views DO NOT ALIGN UP WITH WHAT GOD SAID, that is the clearest indicator you are WRONG!!

Your first mistake: God calls both the church AND THE JEWS "the elect." You have the wrong group going through the "trib." Your second mistake: you are taking scriptures pointed to the JEWS and imagining they were pointed to the church. 

Please, allow me to assist you here: for the rapture of the church, ONLY PAUL got that revelation; therefore you will have to look in Paul's writings for the timing of the rapture of the church. 

Next, understand, There are three groups of people with end times scripture: the nations, the Jews, and the church. You are mixing up these scriptures and so ending up with confusion. 

There is no disagreement with Paul and with Matthew, because they are talking about different groups of people. If you study 1 Thes. 4 & 5, that is pointed to the church, and if you study to show yourself approved, you will discover (it is obvious you have not yet) that the timing Paul gives for the rapture of the church is JUST BEFORE God's wrath begins. Where is that in Revelation? It is just before the 6th seal. How amazing then, when we study the 5th seal - the martyrs of the church age - they are told they must WAIT for the time of judgment until the last martyr is killed  as they were - as CHURCH AGE martyrs. What will make the last church age martyr? Of course the END of the church age. It will END with the pretrib rapture. The moment after the rapture, it will be DAY OF THE LORD, exactly as Rev. 6 shows us. 

Paul's rapture then, will come one moment before God begins His wrath - as shown at the 6th seal. Paul wrote that those living in Christ will get salvation (raptured) but those left behind will get "sudden destruction." What is this sudden destruction Paul wrote of? It will be an earthquake caused when God raises the dead in Christ from their graves. It is the great earthquake at the 6th seal! That is Paul's sudden destruction. 

It is no mistake then that John SAW the raptured church in heaven shortly after the 6th seal events. Go and read it in chapter 7: the great crowd too large to number. Think of it: around 50 generations of believers all raised up at the same time, then those alive in in Christ added: it is going to be in the billions. 

This is THREE (3) witnesses that the rapture of the church (not the Jews) will come before the 70th week. 

Question, when Paul tells us that when He received the revelation of the rapture, that it was a mystery - why would you expect Matthew to have that same mystery? It would not have been a mystery when God gave it to Paul. The truth is, if we want information on the rapture of the church, we must look in Paul's writings.

[iamlamad]

4 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Everything will be revealed in its time.  The best I can do is echo the words of Jesus.

• What I say to you I say to all, ‘Be on the alert!’  Mark 13:37

If you expect the rapture at the end, what they are you alerting for? What are you expecting next?