Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
Pollycy

What did Christ mean in Matthew 7:21-23?

Recommended Posts

On 12/16/2018 at 3:11 AM, frienduff thaylorde said:

ONLY GOD HIMSEFL can shed HIS LOVE upon our hearts .  YES grace .

SO its real easy to understand WHY many will say to HIM in that day , LORD didn't we prophesy In YOUR NAME

didn't we do lots of good works IN YOUR NAME

and STILL they get told I NEVER KNEW YOU  .   Workers of inquity.

Right now some might be scratching their skulls and thinking what on earth does this man mean its real easy to understand .

SIMPLY THIS , IF WE HAVE the LOVE OF GOD on our hearts , WE WOULD LOVE JESUS .   IF WE LOVE JESUS WE WOULD LOVE AND DO ALL HIS SAYINGS

and not bend ortwist or omit them for mens doctrines and so we can have our sin and feel saved .  WE WOULD JUST LOVE JESUS SAYINGS AND DO THEM .

Now here is ONE of HIS sayings that might scare the light of day outta folks , but here it is any way .  HE WHO PUTS away his wife and marrys another

COMMITS adultery , and whoever marrys her that is put away commits adultery .  WELL save for fornication or death .

I been a single man with great joy for not remarrying BUT staying single .   BUT THEN JESUS WORDS are true .  HAPPY IS THE ONE who hears and DOES my sayings .

THAT IS HOW come many are going to here I NEVER KNEW YOU   , they went around his sayings and found pastors who agreed with their hearts desire .

AND he had many sayings .   HOW do we deny the faith .    For even JESUS said many said IN HIS NAME .

For I see many who say HIS NAME .  LET paul say it ,    HE who provides not for his own , specially those of his own household , HE HAS DENIED THE FAITH

and is worse than an infidel .    DIDNT JESUS SAY if a man keeps not my sayings HE HATES ME .    YEP and as I said HE has many sayings .

IF WE ARE OF HIM we WOULD LOVE THEM and DO THEM .  HIS SPIRIT WOULD BE IN US and would  not a saying would be grievious ,   IT WOULD BE JOY and HAPPY is the one who

deos them .   I imagine I just scared a whole lot of folks .  BUT BETTER I POINT to JESUS and remind in hopes some repent and fast . 

Hello @frienduff thaylorde

Your words bring to mind the words of Ephesians 5:6, 'Let no man deceive you with vain words: ' which needs to be read along with the rest of the practical section of this epistle, chapters 4, 5 & 6. We must be doers of the Word, and not hearers only, thus deceiving ourselves (James 1:22)

In Christ Jesus

Christ

  

Edited by Christine
  • This is Worthy 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On ‎12‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 10:37 PM, Pollycy said:

Like most Christians, I try to live by what we are taught in the Holy Bible, and especially the teachings of Jesus Christ.  

But it is very confusing to me, and almost terrifying in a way, to read what is written in Matthew 7:21 - 23:


Matthew 7:21-23 New International Version (NIV)
True and False Disciples
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!

Because someone professes something does not make it truth . I do not believe it was Jesus' intention to imply that the claims were true , only to illuminate the fact that so dark is the human heart that even  " on that day "   people will attempt to lie when face to face to  the Son of God  .You would think all bets would be off at that point  . But such is our nature .

It is very much like when Jesus quoted the Phraisee in the Temple praying to God that he  was ,  " ..not as other men are ."  ( Like 18 : 11 ) .

Just because Jesus quotes this man saying to God that he is  " not as other men are " does make it true . 

Jesus is merely pointing out the obvious  . 

Edited by Unfailing Presence

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 12/6/2018 at 5:37 PM, Pollycy said:

Like most Christians, I try to live by what we are taught in the Holy Bible, and especially the teachings of Jesus Christ.  

But it is very confusing to me, and almost terrifying in a way, to read what is written in Matthew 7:21 - 23:


Matthew 7:21-23 New International Version (NIV)
True and False Disciples
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

What I find so disturbing is the idea that someone could be such a devout Christian that they could cast out evil spirits and perform miracles in Christ's name, and yet be named as "evildoers" by Christ, and for Him to say that he wanted them to get away from Him.  

I am nowhere nearly devout or "good" enough to cast out evil spirits or perform miracles, although Christ has been very, very good to me, and has blessed me greatly in my life.  But, if He wanted nothing no association with people who obviously were 'stronger' in the faith and more 'productive' in the faith, what must the Christ of God think of people like me?  

I am deficient, obviously, but I don't even really know where to start to correct this situation.  BTW, I've read Matthew Henry's commentary on these verses, and I still don't have a good understanding of the issue.  How can you perform miracles in Christ's name and yet be repugnant to Christ?  

The key to understanding is when does this take place?

On that day is referring to the Great White Throne Judgement, all those He is referring to will have died and went to the place of the dead in the center of the earth to await their judgement, because of man's twisted, evil and prideful heart, the time spent there will be a preparatory time to build their case and rebuke the Judge, ...just turn on the TV and you will see many examples of these money hungry charlatans.

Precious brother, Paul, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit wrote,  ...if you confess the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved, apparently you believe this and are doing it now, here on this site, now, look beyond the fact that Paul put it to paper and realize that the Holy Spirit was talking to you personally, confess to Father you doubts and ask Him to appropriate it into the very fabric of your soul!

Lord bless

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 12/7/2018 at 11:37 AM, Pollycy said:

But it is very confusing to me, and almost terrifying in a way, to read what is written in Matthew 7:21 - 23:

Matthew 7:21-23 New International Version (NIV)
True and False Disciples
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

.

MARK.9:38-41 (NKJV) 38 Now John answered Him, saying, “Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us.”

39 But Jesus said, “Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. 40 For he who is not against us is on our side. 41 For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.

.

2THESSALONIANS.2:9-10= 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

.

MATTHEW.7:15-20 = You Will Know Them by Their Fruits

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 12/6/2018 at 10:37 PM, Pollycy said:

Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 

Notice Jesus did not say they did those things. Rather, they claim to have done these things. It doesn't mean they did. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quote

SIMPLY THIS , IF WE HAVE the LOVE OF GOD on our hearts , WE WOULD LOVE JESUS .   IF WE LOVE JESUS WE WOULD LOVE AND DO ALL HIS SAYINGS

No one "does" the will of the father perfectly, so how can we determine who is counted as "doing"? 

Quote
On 12/6/2018 at 7:37 PM, Pollycy said:

What I find so disturbing is the idea that someone could be such a devout Christian that they could cast out evil spirits and perform miracles in Christ's name, and yet be named as "evildoers" by Christ, and for Him to say that he wanted them to get away from Him.   

 

Look at youtube for this video where someone change water into wine:

Yif Magic水變酒 [官方HD] Water to Wine

If he does it in the name of Jesus it will be like this :

Look at youtube : Shocking miracle !!! Water turned into wine, history has been repeated.

I'm not sure those examples count...the verse mentions those who PERFORMED MIRACLES, not APPEARED TO do so. 

Echoing @Pollycy's question. 

Quote

MARK.9:38-41 (NKJV) 38 Now John answered Him, saying, “Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us.”

39 But Jesus said, “Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. 

Then how is it possible that many will perform miracles in Jesus' name and still go to hell? 

Quote

Notice Jesus did not say they did those things. Rather, they claim to have done these things. It doesn't mean they did. 

We don't know if they did or didn't. 

What's terrifying to me is that it seems frightfully easy to accidentally believe the wrong thing and accidentally be sent to hell.  It's incredibly difficult to figure out the truth...ask 6 different scholars and get 6 different answers :P  And yes, that can be 6 different Christian scholars...I verified this myself by asking a number of different pastors, "Who are the people who, in Matt 7:21-23, get sent to hell even though they did good things in Jesus' name?" 

Praying for wisdom and discernment on this doesn't seem to help.  God is silent on that so far.  And those with explanations can never seem to provide sufficient reasons why their interpretation is correct and others are wrong.  It's a huge frustration for me that the entire Christian experience is a joyless fear of accidentally going to hell for accidentally being deceived. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 12/7/2018 at 1:37 AM, Pollycy said:

Like most Christians, I try to live by what we are taught in the Holy Bible, and especially the teachings of Jesus Christ.  

But it is very confusing to me, and almost terrifying in a way, to read what is written in Matthew 7:21 - 23:


Matthew 7:21-23 New International Version (NIV)
True and False Disciples
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

What I find so disturbing is the idea that someone could be such a devout Christian that they could cast out evil spirits and perform miracles in Christ's name, and yet be named as "evildoers" by Christ, and for Him to say that he wanted them to get away from Him.  

I am nowhere nearly devout or "good" enough to cast out evil spirits or perform miracles, although Christ has been very, very good to me, and has blessed me greatly in my life.  But, if He wanted nothing no association with people who obviously were 'stronger' in the faith and more 'productive' in the faith, what must the Christ of God think of people like me?  

I am deficient, obviously, but I don't even really know where to start to correct this situation.  BTW, I've read Matthew Henry's commentary on these verses, and I still don't have a good understanding of the issue.  How can you perform miracles in Christ's name and yet be repugnant to Christ?  

To identify these fraudulent workers and sowers of false doctrines, apostaies and false interpretations of the Word of God within Chruches and among us,  it is necessary the operation or acting of the gift of discernment of spirits.  

For a long time the Holy Spirit has been banished, I mean he has been expelled of the Churches or denominations whose ministers are frugal workers, they are who dominate the ministries of the Churches such as Pastors and Bichops, among others titles, and who is not aligned with their evil spirit is cut of the roll of members, and those who remain in the church are shepherded by these evil ministers, actually mercenaries, ministers of the Devil.  

The churches or denominations were and are transformed into dead churches, their members are like fish in waters without oxygen, they die for lack of the breath of life, the breath of the Holy Spirit.  

Right here on this site I have had some battles against these demonic spirits on various topics, whose spirits comes sowing their apostasies and lies through their demonic interpretations of the Word of God, as happened in Eden, and when I denounced the presence of these sowers of tares on this site, I was banished from these topics and the spirits of these false preachers of the Scriptures kept sowing their satanic tares among the posters of this site evidently, only I could not participate with the true brethren in the fight against these counterfeiters of the Word of God and without access and chance to read and fight against the demonic doctrines of corrupt men that they continued to post on the site.
 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

Right here on this site I have had some battles against these demonic spirits on various topics, whose spirits comes sowing their apostasies and lies through their demonic interpretations of the Word of God, as happened in Eden, and when I denounced the presence of these sowers of tares on this site, I was banished from these topics and the spirits of these false preachers of the Scriptures kept sowing their satanic tares among the posters of this site evidently, only I could not participate with the true brethren in the fight against these counterfeiters of the Word of God and without access and chance to read and fight against the demonic doctrines of corrupt men that they continued to post on the site.

When you call someone a heretic, and a worker of Satan because they have a different opinion of a Scripture than you ... it's not tolerated.  It's not that hard to follow some simple rules ... Abuse of other posters is not allowed. This includes, but is not limited to, name calling, insulting, harassing, threatening or in any way invading the privacy of another poster. We also strongly discourage giving out personal information such as email addresses, physical addresses and phone numbers on the public boards. Any information given out in private is at your own discretion and risk. (Eph. 4: 29)

If you can't follow the Terms of Service ... then you are disrespecting the very authority that you submitted yourself to when you wanted to participate on the forums contending for the faith.  

It's really quite simple ... the Word of God will go forth and will not return void ... and the goal should be the restoration of any brethren ...

2 Timothy 2:24-26 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,  correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,  and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.

God bless you,

George

  • Thumbs Up 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, George said:

When you call someone a heretic, and a worker of Satan because they have a different opinion of a Scripture than you ... it's not tolerated.  It's not that hard to follow some simple rules ... 

Ah in accord your judgment and the rules of the site, the Apostle Paul was wrong when he did write to the Church of Corinthians, saying: 
But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion ...
for such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers - MINISTERS OF THE DEVIL - also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. (2 Cor.11:12-15)   

In this way, the rules override the Word of God and prevail over the Scriptures. It is indeed a strategy of the Devil not to be denounced and attacked by the Spirit of Truth and to have all the freedom to sow his satanic tares among the brethren through his satanic messengers.  JESUS said:  Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve. (John 6:70-71).  Yeah, there was one betrayer among twelve,  today the Churches are full of betrayers because the Devil entered them as entered into Judas Iscariots. Christian sites are polluted by such traitors, and they are untouchable because the rules of the site protect them.
 

2 hours ago, George said:

It's really quite simple ... the Word of God will go forth and will not return void ... and the goal should be the restoration of any brethren ...

What kind of restoration may happen with the sons of Devil if the Earth is infested of apostasies spread by them ? By the contrary, the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils (yeah, DOCTRINES of DEMONS).  Oh yes. such as has happen in this and in other Christians sites where we see them speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.
 

2 hours ago, George said:

2 Timothy 2:24-26 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,  correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,  and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.

God bless you,

George

O yes, it is true.  But reading the verse 16to19 you and all will see the Apostle Paul warning the disciples saying:  But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;  Nevertheless the foundation of God stands sure, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are His. And, let every one that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 

As you can see, we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth, furthermore no lie is of the truth.  2 Tim.4: 2-4 - 2 Preach the Word - the Word is God ; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.


JESUS LEFT VERY CLEAR SAYING: Mat.25:v.41 - Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye CURSED, into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and his messengers,

God bless you,

Oseas    (Hosea)
 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@Oseas Ramos de Siqueira  Do you see even in your post toward me ... it's harsh ... a rebuke as if we tolerate false teachers teaching all kinds of "doctrines of devils."  

THERE IS A difference in how you handle a False Teacher ... and one caught in a falsehood. 

Toward the False Teacher ...

Gal 1:6  I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 
Gal 1:7  not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 
Gal 1:8  But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 
Gal 1:9  As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. 
Gal 1:10  For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ. 

Paul was rebuking the TEACHERS that were causing these Galatians to get caught in trying to justify their faith by the law.  However, his address to those caught under the "spell" he speaks differently.

Gal 4:8  But then, indeed, not knowing God, you served as slaves to those not by nature being gods. 
Gal 4:9  But now, knowing God, but rather are known by God, how do you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements to which you again desire to slave anew? 
Gal 4:10  You observe days and months and times and years. 
Gal 4:11  I fear for you, lest somehow I have labored among you in vain. 
Gal 4:12  Brothers, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as you. You have not injured me at all. 
Gal 4:13  But you know that through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel to you before, 
Gal 4:14  and you did not despise my temptation in my flesh, nor did you spurn it. But you received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus. 
Gal 4:15  What then was your blessedness? For I bear you record that, if you were able, plucking out your eyes, you would have given them to me. 
Gal 4:16  So then did I become your enemy speaking to you the truth? 
Gal 4:17  They are zealous for you, but not well. But they only desire to shut you out, that you be zealous to them. 
Gal 4:18  But it is good to be zealous always in a good thing, and not only in my being present with you. 
Gal 4:19  My children, for whom I again travail until Christ should be formed in you, 
Gal 4:20  even now I desired to be present with you, and to change my voice; for I am in doubt as to you. 

Gal 5:13  For, brothers, you were called to liberty. Only do not use the liberty for an opening to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

Paul rebukes the teachers trying to corrupt his disciples.  However, he's trying to draw back those whom got caught in their error -- 

Gal 6:1  Brothers, if a man is overtaken in a fault, you the spiritual ones restore such a one in the spirit of meekness, considering yourself, lest you also be tempted.

So with every situation, and with every person -- is a difference in restoration.  Some are simply "false teachers" while others are merely caught up in a false doctrine.

It's pretty clear ... there's a difference!

  • Thumbs Up 1
  • This is Worthy 2
  • Brilliant! 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Sign in to follow this  

×
×
  • Create New...