THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PETER AND PAUL ON THE RESURRECTION

[discipler777]

3 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

30 minutes ago, discipler777 said:

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HEBREWS.6:1-8 (NKJV) = The Peril of Not Progressing

6 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits.

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.

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The verses at ROMANS.3:19-28 that you quoted are the elementary principles of Christ which mature Christians should not be still dwelling on or not as babes in Christ still drinking spiritual milk(1COR,3:1-3) but to move on to perfection by feeding on solid foods/bread of life. Hence, my emphasis on the big difference between the "before and after" being saved by faith in Jesus Christ.

Still making use of the law as a schoolmaster because of a lack of skill in the doctrine of justification by faith in Christ is the what the Judaising babes in Christ were doing, and is what the writer of Hebrews is addressing in Hebrews 5 & 6. 

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Maybe, you need to move to this thread to continue the discussion about "Judaizing babes in Christ", .......

 

 

[Heleadethme]

On 12/9/2018 at 5:17 PM, douge said:

There is a difference in the gospels preached by Peter and Paul.

It is evident by the preaching of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Below, Peter was speaking;

Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

According to Peter, Christ was raised to sit on the throne of David in the coming earthly kingdom.

Romans 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

According to Paul's gospel above, Christ died for our sins; as our substitute; to satisfy and appease the wrath, justice, and righteousness of God.

The cross of Jesus Christ provided our atonement.

He was buried.

He rose again for our justification.

This is the gospel we are to believe and trust alone for our salvation and eternal life.
 

　

Oh, but what was David's throne a type and shadow of?  It was a similitude of God's kingdom, the kingdom of heaven that is coming to earth.  ( "thy will be done, thy kingdom come on earth as it is in  heaven")  NEW Jerusalem coming down prepared as a bride, not the old Jerusalem.  Those who are earthly minded will not understand and are in danger of accepting a false earthly messiah and want to throw out Paul to their peril.  It's not surprising in these perilous days that Paul is increasingly coming under attack.

[Heleadethme]

On 12/11/2018 at 4:10 PM, Marilyn C said:

Hi douge,

There is only one way to salvation through Christ, whether people understood fully or not. Now what you are trying to explain is that Christ gave Peter and the other disciples the command to go and preach Him as Lord and Saviour. This we do also. They then had the understanding of Israel`s inheritance and we know that too.

However when the Lord ascended to the Father`s right hand and sent His Holy Spirit to guide us into ALL the truth of Himself, His character and His purposes, we read that the Lord, by the Holy Spirit opened up to the Apostle Paul more revelation of His purposes - the Body of Christ. This is the further revelation.

Not that there are two gospels, good news, but that there is further revelation revealed to the ascension apostles concerning Christ`s purpose for the Body of Christ.

regards, Marilyn.

Sister, Israel's inheritance IS the promised land called the gospel......the land of sabbath rest in Christ.  THAT is her inheritance which the physical promised land was a similitude/type and shadow of.  Israel is the Body of Christ by faith in Christ, which we Gentiles may also join by faith.  That's why it's called the Israel of God.....only believing Israel is the Israel of God (which included faithful OT saints), not un-believing Israel.  There is no separate purpose for un-believing Israel in that sense except that they need to repent or perish just the same as un-believing Gentiles, and we hope and pray they do....which as scripture indicates they will in the end, though even then remember it will only be a remnant of those who survive the tribulation.

Meanwhile though we need to be aware and BEWARE that the devil has purposes too, and I'm sorry to say that un-believing Israel figures heavily in them, right along with a fallen away church that has their eyes on the temporal, which is all going to culminate with a temporal (flesh and blood) messiah being given power and his seat in Jerusalem, and will persecute the true gospel.

The physical land called Israel is temporal and waxing old as a garment as is the rest of the planet......there is coming a new earth and new heavens.  So we are not to have our thoughts and affections on temporal things.

2Co 4:18

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

(That is a key when we read the bible too....read it looking at the eternal things which the temporal things are a picture  (parable) of, teaching us about the eternal/spiritual.)

Gal 6:15-16

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

 

Edited December 24, 2018 by Heleadethme

[frienduff thaylorde]

5 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

Sister, Israel's inheritance IS the promised land called the gospel......the land of sabbath rest in Christ.  THAT is her inheritance which the physical promised land was a similitude/type and shadow of.  Israel is the Body of Christ by faith in Christ, which we Gentiles may also join by faith.  That's why it's called the Israel of God.....only believing Israel is the Israel of God (which included faithful OT saints), not un-believing Israel.  There is no separate purpose for un-believing Israel in that sense except that they need to repent or perish just the same as un-believing Gentiles, and we hope and pray they do....which as scripture indicates they will in the end, though even then remember it will only be a remnant of those who survive the tribulation.

Meanwhile though we need to be aware and BEWARE that the devil has purposes too, and I'm sorry to say that un-believing Israel figures heavily in them, right along with a fallen away church that has their eyes on the temporal, which is all going to culminate with a temporal (flesh and blood) messiah being given power and his seat in Jerusalem, and will persecute the true gospel.

The physical land called Israel is temporal and waxing old as a garment as is the rest of the planet......there is coming a new earth and new heavens.  So we are not to have our thoughts and affections on temporal things.

2Co 4:18

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

(That is a key when we read the bible too....read it looking at the eternal things which the temporal things are a picture  (parable) of, teaching us about the eternal/spiritual.)

Gal 6:15-16

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

 

That's right sister .   The promise to Abraham ,   WAS CHRIST .   and in THY seed shall ALL NATIONS be blessed .

What is sad , is this concept just aint enough for most folks  . BUT the whole of it all ,  WAS IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE CHRIST JESUS .

Some folks just love to worship the flesh .    And love to point to men or groups or etc .    BUT WE POINT TO JESUS ONLY .

And that is why I GOT ALL JOY AND HOPE .     OH sister ,  you just leap up and praise the LORD .   

[frienduff thaylorde]

On ‎12‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 1:29 AM, Michael37 said:

Still making use of the law as a schoolmaster because of a lack of skill in the doctrine of justification by faith in Christ is the what the Judaising babes in Christ were doing, and is what the writer of Hebrews is addressing in Hebrews 5 & 6. 

Any man , woman or child who looks to the law to be justified , will end up fried .   For by the law shall NO FLESH , none , no , not one be JUSTIFIED IN HIS SIGHT .

But the law can be used for correction .     Even james or was it paul , maybe it was paul that reminded them about the FIFTH commandment .

And how often did we hear do not steal , or let him that stole , steal no more .    That is a commandment too .

We should always use them scriptures in all places for a means of correction and reminder of intrucion in righteous living .

But we cannot and must not look to the law for any means to attain any righteousness ,  no  not justification ,    no to be saved etc .

I truly wish folks knew that GOD always desired obedience unto all things HE has said or does say .   

And if they knew what the entire purpose for JESUS and HIS going to the cross they would not sit under men who make void things GOD has said ,

but rather would walk by the SPIRIT which fulfills .

But any time this gets brought up ,   folks are like you looking to earn it , you works ,  NO , its called living it by the power of the SPIRIT , now may all go and do likewise .

FOR greater is HE in us than he of this world .    Ya just don't know how sad it is , to hear and see folks twist JESUS sayings or make void the law by a grace WHICH IS NO GRACE

if it allows that .      IF it allows one to feel free while in disobedience , transgression ,  sin ,    JESUS is not guiding those folks .  HE aint .

For surely had the Spirit been in one and they follow and obey ITS unctions ,  WELL the things done would be WELL PLEASING in HIS SIGHT .

After ALL it would be HE in us working that which is well pleasing in HIS SIGHT .   and transgression aint pleasing in HIS SIGHT .

Sometimes I fear big time for folks who seem to make the grace o GOD , the Spirit of Christ as a co author or author of lawlessness .   THAT AINT JESUS .    It goes by another name .

THE MAN OF LAWLESSNESS .

Edited December 25, 2018 by frienduff thaylorde

[frienduff thaylorde]

And I want to let us know ,  it don't matter what the pope or his daughter churches says about a one of yous ,  I LOVES YA .

But if the pope or his daughter churches praises anyone ,  THEY better hang their head and howl a river of tears , for that one has went dead wrong in their walk .