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On 2/5/2019 at 10:29 PM, one.opinion said:

I know the track record hasn’t been great over the last couple of years, but some of the more strident voices are no longer here.

I did notice a few voices missing.  Something must have happened while I took a break.  At least you're still here, Hazard, abdicate, and a wonderful group of prayer warriors.  🙂

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On 2/5/2019 at 8:42 PM, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

I don't believe the members on this forum are capable of having a rational discussion regarding science and faith.

I think most of the problem is that a lot of Christians don't understand the relationship between science and faith.  They are not exclusive concepts and they are very much part of eachother.  

The evidence vs evidence approach typically ends in a stalemate and/or unravels into a shouting match.  

It sucks that more Christians don't understand the truth they wield by standing on the Christian worldview.  It's an irrefutable standpoint when it comes to science, logic and absolute morality.  We interpret evidence according to our worldview and as such, astute philosophers will rarely be swayed by a differing interpretation of said evidence. 

Instead, we have the ability to wreck worldviews (gently of course - see 1 Peter 3:15-16) to show the absurdity of the unbelievers "foundation" of knowledge.   If used appropriately, it can even be used against other religions as well.  If Christianity is true, it must, therefore, be the only one that is true. 

By the way, Jesus was flawless in this tactic whenever He was confronted with criticism. 

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13 hours ago, Walk Softly said:

I think most of the problem is that a lot of Christians don't understand the relationship between science and faith.  They are not exclusive concepts and they are very much part of each other. 

Yes.

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The evidence vs evidence approach typically ends in a stalemate and/or unravels into a shouting match.  

Unfortunately, this is true.

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It sucks that more Christians don't understand the truth they wield by standing on the Christian worldview.  It's an irrefutable standpoint when it comes to science, logic and absolute morality.  We interpret evidence according to our worldview and as such, astute philosophers will rarely be swayed by a differing interpretation of said evidence. 

Christians do not agree on the world view.  It is subject to interpretation.  When the evidence is outside one's "comfort zone" for interpreting the evidence without bias.

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Instead, we have the ability to wreck worldviews (gently of course - see 1 Peter 3:15-16) to show the absurdity of the unbelievers "foundation" of knowledge.   If used appropriately, it can even be used against other religions as well.  If Christianity is true, it must, therefore, be the only one that is true. 

By the way, Jesus was flawless in this tactic whenever He was confronted with criticism. 

It's a fine line to walk.  Some people can be reached, some others are beyond reach.  

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21 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

The evidence vs evidence approach typically ends in a stalemate and/or unravels into a shouting match.  

One has to understand the bias of the person one is talking to. nonchristians will not willingly acknowledge anything that implies a creator.

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46 minutes ago, Who me said:

One has to understand the bias of the person one is talking to. nonchristians will not willingly acknowledge anything that implies a creator.

Sure.  Muslims will have a religious as well as a cultural bias; Hindu and Buddhists as well.  Some scientists will not even acknowledge their creator even though science itself points to the programming language of God in RNA/DNA.

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1 hour ago, Who me said:

One has to understand the bias of the person one is talking to. nonchristians will not willingly acknowledge anything that implies a creator.

Exactly.  That's why you have to show the unbeliever that they live a life in direct contradiction to their worldview.  

Even then, often times they still don't accept it, but it's not our job to convince, only expose. 

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And that the only reasonable lifestyle/worldview is Christianity.

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