THE ANTICHRIST IS ALIVE TODAY

[Skeptic]

You seem to be throwing around the word "murder" very easily.

Killing is quite different from murder.

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How so?? The Bible says "thou shalt not kill" PERIOD. By human law this is considered murder unless you do it for your country. But it's still wrong according to the commandment.

[justme7]

I'm just patiently waiting at this point I have heard about 1000 different theories to the Anti-Christ claim and I've just made the decision to wait and see what happnes....Pre-trib rapture, Mid, Post...doesnt matter to me anymore, if we're saved by grace, then we're going to be fine reguardless of what happens

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That's the point I was at about 15 years ago. But rather than let it ride, I researched.

The reason why I never got into a ministry in the first place was that I could not accept the entire doctrine of the church I wa studying in. I questioned the teachings of the authors and found out soon what fabrication was. It amazes me how many twist, turns and spins translators take to fit their doctrine. I research it all from every side and try not to contradict any other scriptures whether prophecy or doctrine.

You are going to be fine regardless. The issue and question I have always had is...

If the lord's return is just day's away, and your are either unaware of it or in denial of it because the mainstream end time scenario of the revived Roman empire is not taking place, where would ones sense of urgency be if he believes Jesus return is 7 years away, when it is two day's away?

It's possible that the money making big shot's of prophecy may never admit that their theory of the RRE is in error. Some will. It will be up to you to see the difference and the urgency of the time in which we live.

I will post a new thread on how to study prophecy by a man named "Walid". Please read this. I just found it about a month ago and was in amazement how identical his beliefs are to mine.

God bless.

The article is called "Islam and the Final Beast".

Rev.

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just wanted to add my opinion here: this faith is urgent period! whether JESUS comes tonight or forty years from now, let our urgency remain and not fail. i, for one, have no idea when HE is coming. i see the lawlessness of this world. i hear of the disasters, and wars, and rumors of wars...........i see the birthpangs. still, i do not know when HE will come. this faith is still and always urgent. i don't know when the keeper of the house is coming back, but i urgently desire that whenever HE comes, i am found ready and prepared. because we see the lawlessness at work right now, we ought not be naive ( able to discern seasons etc, but not the times). this faith was meant to be urgent no matter the time frame of CHRIST's return. it was urgent to David, to Peter, and Paul way back then.....it is still urgent. as for the coming deception, let us all in the urgency of this faith pray that we see with clear eyes and are not deceived or persuaded by any man. i do not wish to panic or be distracted by end time anxiety. i wish to wait patiently and knowingly. i wish to be found studying and praying; faithful and seeking.

Edited September 4, 2005 by justme7

[ruah brit]

We see the spirit of lawlessness and rebellion in epidemic proportions throughout the world.All things are being prepared for the Antichrist's appearance.

When will the Antichrist be revealed? What is hindering him from being revealed?

False teaching had entered into the Thessalonian church.They were confused about the coming Day of the Lord.Paul had explained to them that the Day of the Lord would not come until the man of sin was revealed.He then told them:Do you not recollect that when I was still with you I told you these things?And now you know what is restraining him(from being revealed at this time);it is so that he may be manifested (revealed) in his own (appointed) time. For the mystery of lawessness-that hidden principle of rebellion against constituted authority-is already at work in the world,(but it is) restrained only until he who restrains is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one (the Antichrist) will be revealed and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of His mouth and bring him to an end by His appearing at His coming (1 Thessalonians 2:5-8).

No one knows exactly when he will be revealed,but one thing we do know,God is in control...not Satan,not the Antichrist...and He has an end time plan,and the Antichrist will be revealed according to God's plan and purpose.

It's later than you think!

Prophecy is being fulfilled before our eyes.Like pieces of a puzzle,end time events are falling into place according to God's end time plan.

READ REVELATION 13:11-15.

GOD BLESS YOU.

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The anti-christ has already been revealed. He is the one that speaks in Gods name but can not cure the ills of the afflicted and has no power to calm the storm. When his resources are hindered he becomes as worthless as everyone else.

Denise

[Guest Zayit]

YIKES! - I don't know what you believe or don't believe, but all of the unbelief in this world will never be enough to put God on trial. If this is not a typo, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes on Judgment Day.

I'm not judging anyone, but I have read the Bible countless times and it clearly shows God was responsible directly and indirectly for thousands of murders including women and children. I didn't write those things so I'm not the one accusing him. I was only pointing out that christians condemn others for such horrible deeds but worship one who has done the same thing.

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Have you ever chosen to search for the reason why?

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For the murders?? or for the reason people worship him??

If it's for the murders, there is no good and reasonable excuse.

If it's for the reason, I know the answer for that as well. So we wont get murdered ourselves because the promise is, he is comming back to murder some more.

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Are you speaking about the flood? When Israel went into Canaan? If so, they weren't murders. But we can talk. But if you mind is closed that You have already judged the maker of heaven and earth and all that is in it and decided that no explanation is acceptable to YOU, there is no point.

[Guest Zayit]

You seem to be throwing around the word "murder" very easily.

Killing is quite different from murder.

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How so?? The Bible says "thou shalt not kill" PERIOD. By human law this is considered murder unless you do it for your country. But it's still wrong according to the commandment.

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You need to look at the origin of the different words rendered 'kill', not the translation.

If it were not for what you call murder of the flood or those in Canaan, Yeshua, your savior would have never come and your only destination would be hell.

[Skeptic]

You seem to be throwing around the word "murder" very easily.

Killing is quite different from murder.

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How so?? The Bible says "thou shalt not kill" PERIOD. By human law this is considered murder unless you do it for your country. But it's still wrong according to the commandment.

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You need to look at the origin of the different words rendered 'kill', not the translation.

If it were not for what you call murder of the flood or those in Canaan, Yeshua, your savior would have never come and your only destination would be hell.

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I never knew kill meant anything else. It is murder unless done by accident (or for country/tribe/clan/ect ect). However again going by the word of god The Kill in thou shalt not kill is pretty clear. If it doenst mean that, please explain.

As far as the flood and Canaan?? please tell me these aren't the only 2 times you are aware of. If this is the case you have a lot of reading to do. Now I understand the OT isn't required reading anymore by most christian religions but please, please read the OT before saying the flood and Canaan are the only examples of this. It would take way too long to type the list but the count is something like this (this excluding the flood because there wasn't a number given for the killed)

In the OT God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 murdered. This includes 70,000 people because David ordered a census of the people. Yeah he committed the crime and the people were killed.

What about the story of Er and his brother Onan?? The Bible doesn't say exactly what Er did. But it does say why he was mad at his brother. The story is rather explicit because it involves sex so I wont get into it here. Needless to say Onan was killed by god because he didn't want to impregnate his brothers widow. This story is rather useless unless it is being used to show the wrath of god in which the NT believers tend to stay away from.

The story of Job in which God and the devil make their little bet and either kills or allows satan to kill jobs wife and kids. OVER A BET. Sure god replaces them with BETTER kids in the end but I as a parent would not be able to except that.

How about when God kills the 30+ children for making fun of Elishas bald head in 2nd Kings

The list would take forever. This is just a few. I cannot believe someone has even read the old testament if they know nothing of the horrible killings that took place, most at the command of God

Edited September 7, 2005 by Skeptic

[Remnant]

Skeptic,

This will be my only post for this subject for you.

Does God kill or you choose? Do you know the beginning from the end? Do you know what is best for everyone? Can you read the heart of any human person? Skeptic....ARe you GOD? If not, then please remain quiet about things you cant even fathom..with your finite mind. If you know God, you would know he is a god of love. He is just. He knows the best for all humans..all humans.

Everyone knows that GOd is fair and just. Did God sin? Did God know what would happen if man sinned....the death and destruction. Take a look at our country now. The morals are very slacking....homosexual and gays want rights which they shouldnt have....parents killing children and vice versa......all because of the three letter word...SIN. Do you know the results of sin on our planet has been....Ask the all the species of animals now extinct.

Why does God send judgment on people and remove them from the planet?

ONE.. he knows what best for that person. if a person is living in sin and wont change his ways...he is a detriment to himself and others.. God hates sin. HATES IT!!!!! Everyone of us are sinners....But GOD provided a way from this deathly sin bed we have inside of us. It was in the form of Jesus.

JOB....by the way. It was not a bet.... God wanted us to see how the Devil works.. He wanted to show us that the devil, if left to our own, would kill us. You do believe in the devil...after all, you are working just like him...by asking creating doubt on God's word. AFter all, thats exactly what he did with EVE, created doubt.

The best remedy for a skeptic...is not to entertain his or her words... they are the seeds of doubt. While you may doubt..don't push your unbelief on people who are trying to live for the lord by his word. In the words of Jesus, GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN.

[Guest goodfig]

We see the spirit of lawlessness and rebellion in epidemic proportions throughout the world.All things are being prepared for the Antichrist's appearance.

When will the Antichrist be revealed? What is hindering him from being revealed?

False teaching had entered into the Thessalonian church.They were confused about the coming Day of the Lord.Paul had explained to them that the Day of the Lord would not come until the man of sin was revealed.He then told them:Do you not recollect that when I was still with you I told you these things?And now you know what is restraining him(from being revealed at this time);it is so that he may be manifested (revealed) in his own (appointed) time. For the mystery of lawessness-that hidden principle of rebellion against constituted authority-is already at work in the world,(but it is) restrained only until he who restrains is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one (the Antichrist) will be revealed and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of His mouth and bring him to an end by His appearing at His coming (1 Thessalonians 2:5-8).

No one knows exactly when he will be revealed,but one thing we do know,God is in control...not Satan,not the Antichrist...and He has an end time plan,and the Antichrist will be revealed according to God's plan and purpose.

It's later than you think!

Prophecy is being fulfilled before our eyes.Like pieces of a puzzle,end time events are falling into place according to God's end time plan.

READ REVELATION 13:11-15.

GOD BLESS YOU.

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The anti-christ has already been revealed. He is the one that speaks in Gods name but can not cure the ills of the afflicted and has no power to calm the storm. When his resources are hindered he becomes as worthless as everyone else.

Denise

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Denise, the anti-christ is not already here. who's telling you that? and where's satan if he is? scripture clearly says what it will be like when he (satan) comes defacto. Is satan's spirit here? yes but not defacto. Paul tells us in the following verses...

KJV 2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

this first verse sets the subject. the subject is the reutrn of Christ and how we gather to him.

2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

the word shaken in the Greek...

G4531

σαλεύω

saleuō

sal-yoo'-o

From G4535; to waver, that is, agitate, rock, topple or (by implication) destroy; figuratively to disturb, incite: - move, shake (together), which can [-not] be shaken, stir up.

And the word Troubled in the Greek is...

G2360

θροέω

throeō

thro-eh'-o

From θρέομαι threomai (to wail); to clamor, that is, (by implication) to frighten: - trouble.

So we see that Paul is saying not to let people, including himself from 1Thess, stir (confuse) you up or scare/frighten you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Now pay close attention to this next verse.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

So don't let MAN deceive you for WHAT DAY shall NOT come? The Lord's DAY, Christ will NOT return untill the "falling away" comes and the man of sin be revealed, the "son of perdition". Now I ask what is this "falling away" and who is this "son of perdition"? the "falling away" in the Greek is...

G646

ἀποστασία

apostasia

ap-os-tas-ee'-ah

Feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly the state), (

[ruah brit]

We see the spirit of lawlessness and rebellion in epidemic proportions throughout the world.All things are being prepared for the Antichrist's appearance.

When will the Antichrist be revealed? What is hindering him from being revealed?

False teaching had entered into the Thessalonian church.They were confused about the coming Day of the Lord.Paul had explained to them that the Day of the Lord would not come until the man of sin was revealed.He then told them:Do you not recollect that when I was still with you I told you these things?And now you know what is restraining him(from being revealed at this time);it is so that he may be manifested (revealed) in his own (appointed) time. For the mystery of lawessness-that hidden principle of rebellion against constituted authority-is already at work in the world,(but it is) restrained only until he who restrains is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one (the Antichrist) will be revealed and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of His mouth and bring him to an end by His appearing at His coming (1 Thessalonians 2:5-8).

No one knows exactly when he will be revealed,but one thing we do know,God is in control...not Satan,not the Antichrist...and He has an end time plan,and the Antichrist will be revealed according to God's plan and purpose.

It's later than you think!

Prophecy is being fulfilled before our eyes.Like pieces of a puzzle,end time events are falling into place according to God's end time plan.

READ REVELATION 13:11-15.

GOD BLESS YOU.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The anti-christ has already been revealed. He is the one that speaks in Gods name but can not cure the ills of the afflicted and has no power to calm the storm. When his resources are hindered he becomes as worthless as everyone else.

Denise

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Denise, the anti-christ is not already here. who's telling you that? and where's satan if he is? scripture clearly says what it will be like when he (satan) comes defacto. Is satan's spirit here? yes but not defacto. Paul tells us in the following verses...

KJV 2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

this first verse sets the subject. the subject is the reutrn of Christ and how we gather to him.

2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

the word shaken in the Greek...

G4531

σαλεύω

saleuō

sal-yoo'-o

From G4535; to waver, that is, agitate, rock, topple or (by implication) destroy; figuratively to disturb, incite: - move, shake (together), which can [-not] be shaken, stir up.

And the word Troubled in the Greek is...

G2360

θροέω

throeō

thro-eh'-o

From θρέομαι threomai (to wail); to clamor, that is, (by implication) to frighten: - trouble.

So we see that Paul is saying not to let people, including himself from 1Thess, stir (confuse) you up or scare/frighten you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Now pay close attention to this next verse.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

So don't let MAN deceive you for WHAT DAY shall NOT come? The Lord's DAY, Christ will NOT return untill the "falling away" comes and the man of sin be revealed, the "son of perdition". Now I ask what is this "falling away" and who is this "son of perdition"? the "falling away" in the Greek is...

G646

ἀποστασία

apostasia

ap-os-tas-ee'-ah

Feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly the state), (“apostasy”): - falling away, forsake.

And the "son of perdition" is none other then satan himself, the word "perdition" in the Greek is...

G684

ἀπώλεια

apōleia

ap-o'-li-a

From a presumed derivative of G622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal): - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste.

This word ap-o'-li-a leads us to another word for satan "apollyon"

Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. G623

Ἀπολλύων

Apolluōn

ap-ol-loo'-ohn

Active participle of G622; a destroyer (that is, Satan): - Apollyon.

So you see it is one in the same. There is no guessing of who the son of perdition is. satan has many names/titles Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

This next verse will tell us exactly what he (satan) will be doing when he (satan) arrives.

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

So what will satan be doing? that's right, claiming to be God, claiming to be Jesus Christ. But we know he's a FAKE, that's why is the anti-christ, the instead-of. And please DO NOT let any "man" tell you satan is already here defacto (in person) for he (satan) is NOT. Do we see anyone claiming to be GOD, claiming to be Jesus Christ in this fashion that Paul is telling us satan will do? Nope, we sure haven't. Also take a look at Matt ch.24, Mark ch.13, and Luke ch.21, satan when he comes will be performing many miracles and wonders plus remember from Rev. 12:9 satan will be cast down with his angels, the fallen ones, to be here on earth with him. Have we seen that? Nope!

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The gospel of Christ according to John told me that the antichrist is a type and has been here since the Garden of Eden. There is not another mention of antichrist in the scriptures that would substantiate any of the fairy tales that are being circulated. And Christ taught us that satan is any man or woman that is only mindful of the things of men and not the things of God.

1Jo 2

18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.

1Jo 4

3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

Mr 8

33 But when He had turned around and looked at His disciples, He rebuked Peter, saying, "Get behind Me, Satan! For you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."

Denise

[Fiosh]

Denise,

I would suggest you check your Concordance and look up a few more Bible passages that mention satan. He is most definitely an "individual", not a concept.

Read especially Matthew 4: 1-11 & Mark 1:12-13

Peace,

Fiosh