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Ovedya if there had been clear instructions written down from Terri Shaivo on what her wishes were, would you then have objected to them pulling the feeding tube on moral grounds?

I'm just curious as to the basis of the stance you are taking.

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If Terri Shiavo had every written down clear instructions as to what should be done with her had she ever fallen into a CVS then there would never have been an issue.

Do I have a problem with a court's decision based on hearsay evidence? You bet I do!

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That's not what I asked. I asked if you personally would have a problem pulling the feeding tube even if instructions were clear that she wanted it pulled.

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That's not what I asked. I asked if you personally would have a problem pulling the feeding tube even if instructions were clear that she wanted it pulled.

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I'm sorry, I can't answer that from a personal perspective. What people decide to do with their lives is ultimately between them and God. Now, if you're asking me if I would have a problem pulling the plug on my own wife even if she had a DNR statement in her will, I think that I would.

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Hearsay from unverified sources helps no one.

But apparently it's enough for a judge to decide whether someone should live or die!

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So at the heart of the matter of individual rights you believe at some point someone else's wishes trumps those of the patient. Even if you object on moral grounds it is a very dangerous road to start down.

Look at it from the perspective of legal rights, who had the right to determine what was best for Terri and what her wishes were? At some point her parents were no longer her legal guardians and her husband was.

So in essence the court made the right choice. They stood up for individual rights, saying the court or the state has no right to dictate the terms of what a persons wishes are. Whether the court had the right information is irrelavant, because based on the evidence presented to them the court ruled in favor of individual rights.

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Wjp accused anyone of murder? :

Don't you remember hearing people accuse Michael Schiavo of murder when that whole thing was in progress? Don't you remember hearing people accuse Judge Greer of murder as well? I sure do, it wasn't THAT long ago.

What hearsay from unverified sources are you talking about?

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Wjp accused anyone of murder? :

Don't you remember hearing people accuse Michael Schiavo of murder when that whole thing was in progress? Don't you remember hearing people accuse Judge Greer of murder as well? I sure do, it wasn't THAT long ago.

What hearsay from unverified sources are you talking about?

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Sorry. I thought you were implying that I said Michale killed Terri.

You do know what hearsay is, right?

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So at the heart of the matter of individual rights you believe at some point someone else's wishes trumps those of the patient. Even if you object on moral grounds it is a very dangerous road to start down.

That's not what I said. Be careful you don't construct a straw man here. I said that if my wife had a DNR in her will I think I would have a moral conflict. I happen to strongly believe in a God of miracles.

Look at it from the perspective of legal rights, who had the right to determine what was best for Terri and what her wishes were? At some point her parents were no longer her legal guardians and her husband was.

So in essence the court made the right choice. They stood up for individual rights, saying the court or the state has no right to dictate the terms of what a persons wishes are. Whether the court had the right information is irrelavant, because based on the evidence presented to them the court ruled in favor of individual rights.

I disagree. First and foremost it is the court's obligation to examine the fact of each case and determine the appropriate course of action. It is not the responsibility of the court to decide life or death on hearsay evidence, which is what this issue ultimately boils down to.

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You do know what hearsay is, right?

Yes I do.

The decisions of the court were not based on hearsay; I think you need to go the website I gave you and read it in it's entirity.

First and foremost it is the court's obligation to examine the fact of each case and determine the appropriate course of action. It is not the responsibility of the court to decide life or death on hearsay evidence, which is what this issue ultimately boils down to.

That's what the court did; it's not the responsibility of James Dobson, Jerry Fallwell or Pat Robertson to decide some other family's life or death decisions on hearsay. Imo, that's exactly what happened here and they used their current political clout, and religious leadership positions to try and force their own will upon this poor woman.

The same thing is happening with the stem-cell research issue. If stem-cell research had of had some potential to have cured Terri Shiavo I venture to say none of us would have ever even heard of her; the religious right (wrong) wouldn't have touched this with a 10 foot pole. It's like they've lost all common sense and gotten issues of life and death backwards lately.....it's weird.

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As someone who has struggled with suicide, I really hate these "right to die" promotions. Should the "right to die" become a sacred right?

I often wonder had it been Michael who was brain damaged and Terri was the one who had two children by her boyfriend while still married to Michael and then began seeking a court order to remove his feeding tube, claiming that "he told her this is what he would have wanted" how people would have reacted.

(I can't help but imagine we'd be hearing a lot about the "w" and the "b" from many of the people who stood behind Michael.

Sorry - but I was in a similar discussion in class some time ago - the comparing of reaction to men in such cases verses the reaction to women in such situations, and this is exactly what came out.)

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