Sin, Salvation, Grace..cont'd

[Trust & Obey]

If you had a problem with it, there is a PM system here.

Pro 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.

Use it. As it is, i stand by everything I said and the question still remains, which fruit did Jesus display when He threw people out of the temple?

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Righteous indignation is what Jesus displayed. Your wrath and belittling is anything but.

[Kabowd]

If you had a problem with it, there is a PM system here.

Pro 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.

Use it. As it is, i stand by everything I said and the question still remains, which fruit did Jesus display when He threw people out of the temple?

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Righteous indignation is what Jesus displayed. Your wrath and belittling is anything but.

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Scripture was not intended to be used as a weapon against our brothers and sisters. Have you read nothing I posted? Where is your maturity and wisdom? Please make it evident and refrain from posting in this topic if you have nothing to add but insults.

[apothanein kerdos]

Pro 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.

Truth and Obey, this is the Bible. Bible, this is truth and obey.

[Kansasdad]

Likewise you do too.

Slow down a little bit, take a deep breath, and think before blasting off posts in rapid-fire succession.

Implying I don't think before I post is an insult to one's intelligence. Good day sir, I hope you someday figure out what grace, faith, and salvation truly are.

This is typical of your camp, can't respond to what is acually brought up so you attack the style. Oh well.

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SJ, I'm not here to argue with you, brother. That wasn't my intention. I'm just reading through your posts and amazed at the way you speak/write to "your brethren."

I highly doubt I am alone in this opinion. But, something needs to be said. You are way out of line.

If you want to blow this off as "I'm a little child who doesn't know what he's talking about," like you did to Kansas Dad, then feel free. But, I think anyone reading this thread can see where the deficiency lies.

Pro 21:24 Proud and haughty scorner is his name, who dealeth in proud wrath.

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What I find just amazing is that on this issue you and I don't see eye to eye, I am making this assumption from other post you have made in other thread, and yet SJ has some how put us into the same category, Just like Tess did in her very first pm to me. Trust and Obey I am afraid it is a waist of time trying to show either of them how the way they say things is offensive and blocks the message they are trying to convey.

As I am the one who started this thread, I could care less about the rules and stipulations either Tess or SJ try to impose, I am just trying to have a conversation and to gain some perspective, and I appreciate your graciousness in the process.

So? I really am interested in your thoughts on what it means to "live in Christ"?

Kansas Dad

[Trust & Obey]

As I assumed early on, typically when people cannot address the issues..they turn to ad hominem and personally attack the person with the opposing position. A person of integrity would just admit they have no response or that they're unable to counter the argument...rather than insulting the person they disagree with.

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Sister Tess, I was not even involved in this debate, so I do not have a "position on it." I was just so taken aback at what I saw that I decided to speak up. The Bible says that a wise man receives a rebuke.

Pro 9:8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

Based upon SJ's response to me I'd say "he hates me" now, not "loves me."

[apothanein kerdos]

As I am the one who started this thread, I could care less about the rules and stipulations either Tess or SJ try to impose, I am just trying to have a conversation and to gain some perspective, and I appreciate your graciousness in the process.

Um, tess actually started the thread. So yes, you should abide by the rules she set forth in the debate.

I was just so taken aback at what I saw that I decided to speak up. The Bible says that a wise man receives a rebuke.

It also says it is to be done in private, but you keep ignoring this, now don't you? You're right, a wise man does recieve rebuke. But would a wise man recieve rebuke from someone who does it in a highly unbiblical way? All you have done is continue to insult me, attack my character, and add nothing to the discussion. Would you like to finally take this to the private realm or do you wish to continue to violate scripture?

[Trust & Obey]

So?  I really am interested in your thoughts on what it means to  "live in Christ"?

Kansas Dad

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KD, I believe that to live in Christ one must have the Spirit of Christ.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Then, it is a daily process of taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ:

2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

As we yield ourselves to the HS we will be led by the HS.

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

As we live our lives in this way the fruit of the Spirit will be perfected in our lives:

We will all fall short, but that is why we have 1 John 1:9. And, Jesus is our Advocate always making intercession for us.

"Living in Christ" is a wonderful theme. It is our hope. Like my sig says... Christ in you, the hope of glory!

[Kabowd]

Since this is really a doctrinal issue..I thought I'd post my responses in this forum. The quotes are taken from this topic.

Kansasdad,

You initially used 3 verses (out of context) to support your doctrine, while avoiding addressing the numerous others which seem to contradict said doctrine. Are you aware that there is tremendous Scriptural support for salvation security? If so, how do you reconcile that the verses which support salvation security far outweigh those which seem to contradict it?

Clearly God will judge us if we continue to live in sin after we have the knowledge of truth, our punishment will be severe.

What about forgiveness of sins?

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." ~ 1 John 1:9

"For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more." ~ Hebrews 8:12

"This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin." Hebrews 10:16-18

Our works don

[apothanein kerdos]

Truth and obey, I'm not letting you go on this:

Truth and Obey, this is the Bible. Bible, this is truth and obey.

[Trust & Obey]

I was just so taken aback at what I saw that I decided to speak up. The Bible says that a wise man receives a rebuke.

It also says it is to be done in private, but you keep ignoring this, now don't you? You're right, a wise man does recieve rebuke. But would a wise man recieve rebuke from someone who does it in a highly unbiblical way? All you have done is continue to insult me, attack my character, and add nothing to the discussion. Would you like to finally take this to the private realm or do you wish to continue to violate scripture?

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I think it depends on the circumstances, SJ.

Pro 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.

I think a private fault should be handled privately.. a public one publicly.

SJ, I do not desire to to do anything with you. Let's depart one from another in peace.