ShinyGospelShoes Posted August 31, 2019 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 2 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 369 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 44 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 minute ago, angels4u said: Those sermons are very interesting and you would get the most out of it if you take the time to listen for your self with the Bible beside you:) I just stated I do not have access to speakers, haven't for quite some time, therefore would request your assistance, if you desire me to consider the points therein. I would also ask if you have read what I have already given in this thread about Jude 1:9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saved34 Posted August 31, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,185 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 667 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/28/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/19/1971 Share Posted August 31, 2019 8 hours ago, missmuffet said: Do you think the person who started this thread is a troll and is trying to bring on dispute among Worthy? I know I said I would no longer participate but I do not want any of my brothers and sisters confused on this matter. @ShinyGospelShoes Seems very serious about this subject. Most men who attempt to dabble in unclear and unknown doctrines are. Its an argument you cannot win if the person in question uses vague scripture to counter clear scripture. We know God has appeared in various forms for man’s sake. We could not stand in his real presence or appearance at that time. So he appeared as men as well as an angel. He allowed Jacob to wrestle with him. The angel of the Lord and Michael have never been clearly linked as one and the same. We are told clearly before he appeared That Jesus was God, Eternal and creator of all things. Something that has never been attributed to any angels. Not a single verse of scripture says Christ was an angel at anytime. Michael fought the devil in Heaven. Where before his incarnation the Bible says Jesus was God, not an archangel or messenger. He was God with the Father. That is orthodox Christianity. This teaching of Shiny is from his own mind and is a disrespect of the true Lord and savior Jesus Christ. Col 2:18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. Col 2:19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow. Clear scripture, with no guessing. He has been given clear truth concerning this matter with not a single scripture saying Christ Jesus is also Michael the archangel. We have clear scripture that Christ is superior to angels and they all worship him. Only to have him say all but one uncreated angel, Michael. God clearly says he never told any angel(arch, seraphim, Cherubim, etc) to sit at my right hand. Always believe clear revelation over vague teaching that is never solidified. I do believe he is a brother, I just believe he is in great error. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 31, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,992 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,690 Content Per Day: 11.78 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 31, 2019 45 minutes ago, saved34 said: I know I said I would no longer participate but I do not want any of my brothers and sisters confused on this matter. @ShinyGospelShoes Seems very serious about this subject. Most men who attempt to dabble in unclear and unknown doctrines are. Its an argument you cannot win if the person in question uses vague scripture to counter clear scripture. We know God has appeared in various forms for man’s sake. We could not stand in his real presence or appearance at that time. So he appeared as men as well as an angel. He allowed Jacob to wrestle with him. The angel of the Lord and Michael have never been clearly linked as one and the same. We are told clearly before he appeared That Jesus was God, Eternal and creator of all things. Something that has never been attributed to any angels. Not a single verse of scripture says Christ was an angel at anytime. Michael fought the devil in Heaven. Where before his incarnation the Bible says Jesus was God, not an archangel or messenger. He was God with the Father. That is orthodox Christianity. This teaching of Shiny is from his own mind and is a disrespect of the true Lord and savior Jesus Christ. Col 2:18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. Col 2:19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow. Clear scripture, with no guessing. He has been given clear truth concerning this matter with not a single scripture saying Christ Jesus is also Michael the archangel. We have clear scripture that Christ is superior to angels and they all worship him. Only to have him say all but one uncreated angel, Michael. God clearly says he never told any angel(arch, seraphim, Cherubim, etc) to sit at my right hand. Always believe clear revelation over vague teaching that is never solidified. I do believe he is a brother, I just believe he is in great error. It sure looks like JW doctrine to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saved34 Posted August 31, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,185 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 667 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/28/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/19/1971 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Just now, missmuffet said: It sure looks like JW doctrine to me. I thought so too, but he believes in the full deity of Christ. The bodily Resurrection of Christ, the triune God and just about all of the fundamentals of our faith. lol this brother is no rookie. He is well trained in scripture, but like all of us he is off base on this one. We all stumble on doctrine at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steward George Posted August 31, 2019 Group: Steward Followers: 110 Topic Count: 10,465 Topics Per Day: 1.25 Content Count: 27,785 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 15,483 Days Won: 129 Joined: 06/30/2001 Status: Online Birthday: 09/21/1971 Steward Share Posted August 31, 2019 Interesting timing of this press release. Perhaps this is addressing a phenomenon happening not just at Worthy. http://christiannewswire.com/news/2118382961.html 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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