Do you stand with Israel?

[Guest mote]

From post 148:

1. There is no such thing as "Israel the Church." You are promoting replacement theology which in theological terms is what we call a radical heresy.

shiloh357, Am I? Theologically speaking, I guess you forgot to read Acts 7:38 and like verses.

Keep on searching the scriptures

[Guest shiloh357]

From post 148:

1. There is no such thing as "Israel the Church." You are promoting replacement theology which in theological terms is what we call a radical heresy.

shiloh357, Am I?

[Guest yod]

It's really not that hard if you take an overview of the big picture, mote.

God didn't switch to plan B when the leaders of Israel rejected their King and Messiah. This was known by the Lord since the foundations of time and space.

He used this to bring salvation to the gentiles and this was the beginning of the "church" when the faithful sons of Abraham (the true jews) would be joined by the nations in His glorious Kingdom.

So what is plan A?

That He would send His Word through Israel to the seed of Abraham so they would know when His Son appeared. So many of them DID recognize Yeshua that it began to spread to the nations...and we (the gentiles) were allowed into fellowship with the saints of old.

It is the Lord Himself who makes the distinction between Israel and the Nations. Israel is who He uses to reveal Himself to the nations!

Yet His plan isn't just for the redemption of the nations..it is for the redemption of Israel as well. Why would God redeem someone who is already redeemed? This should be enough for anyone to see that Israel and the Church are separate entities.

I understand why you have some confusion over this issue because this doctrine of Israel=Church was taught by the Roman Catholic Church for about 1600 years...but it's never taught in the Bible. For example...this is but one place in the New Testament where there is clearly a difference

Romans 11:11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring!

I could show dozens more examples if you'ld like but that should be enough. Now...salvation is of the Jews according to Yeshua's words to the woman at the well. What does that mean? It means that we would not have known about God had He not sovereignly decided to use them to bring the gospel to us.

This ought to make us grateful rather than envious that they are the Chosen People. Now, He is using us to bring that same gospel back to them.

As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Why did God decide to things this way? I don't know. Why is grass green?

Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God!

How unsearchable his judgments,

and his paths beyond tracing out!

"Who has known the mind of the Lord?

Or who has been his counselor?"

"Who has ever given to God,

that God should repay him?"

For from him and through him and to him are all things.

To him be the glory forever! Amen.

So let's vow to be about the Father's business, ok? They were "chosen" as a light to the nations and they have suffered much throughout history for doing that and even more for disobedience. Show them the same mercy you have received though YOU were also His enemy at one time.

You will arise and have compassion on Zion,

for it is time to show favor to her;

the appointed time has come.

14 For her stones are dear to your servants;

her very dust moves them to pity.

15 The nations will fear the name of the LORD,

all the kings of the earth will revere your glory.

16 For the LORD will rebuild Zion

and appear in his glory.

17 He will respond to the prayer of the destitute;

he will not despise their plea.

18 Let this be written for a future generation,

that a people not yet created may praise the LORD :

[Guest mote]

[Guest shiloh357]

But according to you, Acts 7:38 does not mean the Church because it does not fit your understanding of,

[Guest mote]

[Guest shiloh357]

[Guest mote]

Again, you've taken what others are saying and claiming and ASSUME that I'm saying the same thing. If that's not stereotyping.

For your information, just like the Word of God, you never make a doctrine on just one verse, althought many try to do this, likewise, you don't jump to conclusions on one person's statement. This is your erroneous error.

You're assuming a lot, thus, your on the attack to put everyone down because of your own failure to understand what an individual is truly saying because it "sounds" like "replacment theology" so it must be!

You are so dead wrong about what I believe about Israel and the Chruch. So sad, so misinform, so stereotyping.

[Guest Zayit]

Mote, can you succinctly tell us what it is you do believe about Eretz Israel?

[justme7]

i stand with the Lord alone. His will be done.

not to go off the subject here, but a couple of people said no-not above america!

what is a nation that we should be in allegiance to its flag?? if the world is run by an antichrist spirit, how then will we pick a chunk of the world to be in allegiance with?? Not to disregard or in anyway disrespect......i have just always wandered about this.

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