The Final insult

[Guest charlie]

I'm not the one who started the hypothetical around here; I rarely use them but will if someone else "goes first".

There's nothing hypothetical about my son's condition. It's a reality he has to live with everyday; despite the pain we're grateful there's a treatment. Before 1921 there wasn't and type 1 diabetics lapsed into commas and died.

Edited June 24, 2005 by charlie

[apothanein kerdos]

You know what though, when Charlie refers to Terri as "it", you shouldn't be suprised he'd offer stem cell research

Charlie, I understand what you're saying. Keeping Terri Schiavo alive could be inhumane...maybe letting her die was the best thing for her...we don't know. The problem is that by letting her die, we have now defined what a human is. If a person can't talk or eat by themselves, then they apparently aren't human. This means babies born with sever down syndrome, people who suffer brain damage, or any other ailments, are not human and should die.

As humans we have no business deciding what the quality of life is for we did not create it, therefore we have no say over what the standards should be. God says to respect human life when we can, and to avoid taking it. In the case of Terri Schiavo, she should have been kept alive.

As for me, I have told all those cloes to me that if I ever end up in a state like that, inject me with something to kill me...don't let me starve. I know where I'm going.

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catsmeow Posted Today, 09:44 PM

[Guest charlie]

I think Terri Shiavo was very human. But despite our best efforts all human bodies die. However, we should always support and strive to find cures that alleviate human suffering while we're on this earth.

I'm not a Jack Kavorkian supporter. I'm against legalized suicide; I agree that's a slippery slope.

But I don't view this case as a "state killing"; I thought justice was done and Mrs. Shiavo got her day in court.

I have to go; I've wasted this beautiful day debating with you guys.

[refugepsa91]

This means babies born with sever down syndrome, people who suffer brain damage, or any other ailments, are not human and should die

You got it SJ There is already a test that can be done on pregnent women to see if the fetus has any of these ailments, my doc said to give me options on whether or not to continue the pregnency He didn't ask me if I wanted that test with my second...I guess he remembered my reaction the first time...it wasn't pretty

This is all going to form into a big ball that none of us are going to stop.

Love and Blessings,

Angel

[Guest charlie]

when Charlie refers to Terri as "it", you shouldn't be suprised he'd offer stem cell researchYou k

Please provide the quote so I can see what liberties your taking with the context. I'm not going to dig thru the whole thread to find it. Your implications that I am somehow lacking in compassion are WAY OFF BASE......and I think you know it too.

I expect better of you SJ.

Edited June 24, 2005 by charlie

[Cerran]

Butero, You stated:

If Terri had stated in a living will she did not want to be sustained by a feeding tube, I would have no problem with it being removed. My problem with this whole matter is she had no such document and therefore I believe we must err on the side of life.

Who must err on the side of life? If you are to always err on the side of life than the patients wishes do not matter, you must always keep them alive even if they wish otherwise.

What happens when it's a child and a parent denies medical treatment because of their beliefs?

The question falls back to who had the power of attorney for Terri. Even if the document doesn't exist the decision making is left up to the immediate family, especially in a legal sense.

Ultimately none of us are qualified to judge Michael and he was responsible for Terri. He will answer to God and if that was her wishes I believe God will forgive him. If not he's going to have some hard answers to give to his creator.

I have a serious problem with the courts being involved in the first place. We are coming to a point that the nanny state is called in every time there is a dispute which they have no business being involved in the first place. The state should look at who has jurisdiction and rule as such.

This case was not a only a travesty for the justice system, but showed the hipocrasy of the politicians involved.

You are the master of nothing, but your taunting and baiting is in direct violation of the rules of this forum.

Sorry Reb but I wasn't taunting anyone and I believe the only person that resorted to name calling was yourself. I simply asked a question

See Cerran, false hypotheticals have no basis in reality, thus shuld not be considered in a debate.

When they are used to illustrate a point or to understand a person's stance on the issue they are valid.

I have a link to a great article with someone who can speak to the issue better than any of us:

James Glaser Article

[apothanein kerdos]

when Charlie refers to Terri as "it", you shouldn't be suprised he'd offer stem cell researchYou k

Please provide the quote so I can see what liberties your taking with the context. I'm not going to dig thru the whole thread to find it. Your implications that I am somehow lacking in compassion are WAY OFF BASE......and I think you know it too.

I expect better of you SJ.

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I didn't say you weren't compassionate. I was merely showing that you held a different paradigm on the quality of life then others. That if you refer to Terri Schiavo as "it"...maybe it was cerran...then it's not a big step towards embryonic stem cell research.

I am far from accusing you of having compassion. <---- typo. should read "of not having"

[Qun Mang]

Randall Terry like all of us is a man, fallible of course.  Today he is a man of God and sincere in his love for Christ, at least I don't see any reason to doubt it.

I've sinned and been foregiven, somehow I don't think God reserved that just for me, or for people I happen to agree with.

I believe even those that starved Terri Schiavo to death can be forgiven, if they but ask for it.

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This poor woman was nothing more than a corpse with a feeding tube keeping it alive. How sad, how cruel.

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Here, Charlie, though looking at it again myself I see you were referring to Terri's corpse as "it." Easy to be confused.

[Guest charlie]

If, as I suspect, liberal thinkers will say, Terri was dead so he was not in adultery, then I will go back to the argument that if Terri was brain dead, she felt nothing and therefore it did no harm to keep her alive, even if by some chance in life she would have prefered not to be kept alive. After all, if she was brain dead she didn't know whether they honored her wishes or not.

This decision by the courts was a travesty of justice. All involved in Terri's death are guilty of crimes against humanity, including those who carried out the judge's orders and they should all be prosecuted in the same manner we prosecute war criminals from natzi Germany.

What happened to Terri Schiavo is cold blooded murder. I will continue in my fight to have the laws changed to prevent such attoricities from taking place in this country again.

Butero you continuously ignore the facts of this case and espouse things that have either never been proven or been proven to be WRONG. I hope you are never appointed dictator.

There was even testimony from a nurse that was involved in the case that Terri could drink milk from a bottle.

If I were Michael Schiavo I'd be looking into sueing her for slander. I read the one nurse's "statement" and it was so full of holes even I could point to places where she lied. The parents didn't even find her believable enough to use her statement in one of the hearings. I'm sure all this falls on your deaf ears though.

As for people trying to carry Mrs. Schiavo a glass of water; they got their 5 minutes of fame and that's really what they were after imo. I thought these empty dramatic displays were downright shameful and embarrassing to watch. If the husband was so cold hearted all he would have had to do is turn the media loose in his wife's room and let em roll the cameras while people tried to get her to take a drink. Looks to me like he was the one who showed Terri some respect by not putting her on display even though it probably would have helped his own public image immensely.

The facts of the case can be found here if anyone is even interested in facts anymore:

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html