iamlamad Posted October 19, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 19, 2019 28 minutes ago, Tampered With said: Could that not be said of many of the 70% of Americans that identify themselves on surveys as being "Christians"? Probably, because many here in the US are Catholic, Orthodox, and other groups that really do not teach their people that they MUST be born again. I could add some of the cults too that call themselves "Christian." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted October 20, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 20, 2019 5 hours ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said: Identifying heavenly place or "heavenly location" through Scriptures Jeremiah 23:18 But which of them has stood in the council of the LORD to see and hear His word? Who has given heed to His word and obeyed it? The Divine Council. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted October 20, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 20, 2019 5 hours ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said: Why do you say the "prophetic places also refer to the cosmic (heavenly) locations and The heavenly location is the Cosmic Divine Council, or Throne Room" as if these locations or the "Throne Room" had been light years from the earth? Heaven and earth are not on the same plane. You have much to understand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted October 20, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) ..by the way, there are no 'dispensations'. The unseen realm is MORE real than our physical realm because it encompasses both.. we see in a glass, darkly. In the Divine Council, all is REAL and sometimes human's get a glimpse... the ancient prophets did, and Stephen. Go and read about the REAL, and forget man's limited wisdom about what a few apocalypses mention. MAN-ology has always tried to make physical sense of that which is 'other-worldly'. We spiritualize stuff we cannot comprehend, yet pretend mere physical attributes to things that are not of our world. We limit the supernatural to what we think we understand. The ancient Hebrews were totally opposite. They took the ancient myths and rewrote them putting Yahweh as the creator and 'riding on the clouds'. See John 10. Hebrew scholars re-purposed Babylonian myths and put Yahweh on the various thrones that previously had those mythical 'ancient gods' reigning. If you do not understand history, you will have difficulty with today's events. There is NOTHING new under the sun (or above it). There is a resurgence today of extolling ancient myths as if they are true. So read about them and be prepared. A great deception is being unleashed on an unwary church... Check out the actual TEXTS of the ancient Hebrew scholars - they are heavily Mesopotamian. That was their worldview, and they understood far more than we do today. Nothing much has changed... Edited October 20, 2019 by Justin Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted October 21, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 21, 2019 So many words. And what if the millennium is not as popularly expected? Most fail to see John's Daniel reference to the stars showing Yeshua's birth exactly - what the Magi knew. Most misunderstand so much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamL Posted October 22, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,117 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,554 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Share Posted October 22, 2019 On 10/18/2019 at 2:09 PM, Tampered With said: If you look at a map of the Middle East you will see Lebanon directly north of Israel which for all practical purposes today is a proxy state for Iran since Hezbollah pretty much runs the place and they are aligned with Iran. I have long suspected that the following two passages refer to the destruction of Lebanon during the King of the North's invasion, which commences in Syria and proceeds southward through Lebanon, Israel, Egypt, and parts of North Africa. This invasion begins by force of arms and plunder, and ends with this statement about the invader, "yet he shall come to his end, and no one will help him." Isaiah 33:1 Woe to you who plunder, though you have not been plundered; And you who deal treacherously, though they have not dealt treacherously with you! When you cease plundering, You will be plundered; When you make an end of dealing treacherously, They will deal treacherously with you. .... 9 The earth mourns and languishes, Lebanon is shamed and shriveled; Sharon is like a wilderness, And Bashan and Carmel shake off their fruits. Habakkuk 2:8 Because you have plundered many nations, All the remnant of the people shall plunder you, Because of men’s blood And the violence of the land and the city, And of all who dwell in it. ... 17 For the violence done to Lebanon will cover you, And the plunder of beasts which made them afraid, Because of men’s blood And the violence of the land and the city, And of all who dwell in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted October 23, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said: what has nothing to do with the Star that was showed to the Magi, absolutely. Check the ref in Daniel and Rev. See the star charts. Virgo in the Leo constellation and the all the other stuff. Very obvious. An 80 minute window in 3BC denoting a probable birth on Sept 11. Do some research and less criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted October 23, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 23, 2019 Yahweh’s Role as Head of the Divine Council. The Old Testament describes Yahweh as the king of the universe and ruler of all the divine entities and humanity. The biblical authors also describe the God of Israel as the military leader of all the deities in the divine assembly. For example: • Psalm 82:1 declares that “God presides in the great assembly [or “congregation of gods”; לְאָ֫סָף אֱֽלֹהִים (le'asaph elohim)]; he renders judgment among the gods (אֱֽלֹהִים, elohim)” (NIV). • Isaiah 6:1–2 describes Yahweh as enthroned and surrounded by divine entities: “I saw the Lord, high and exalted, seated on a throne; and the train of his robe filled the temple. Above him were seraphim, each with six wings” (NIV; see also Job 1:6–12). • In 1 Kings 22:19, the prophet Micaiah portrays Yahweh as the king whose heavenly army is the divine assembly: “I saw the Lord sitting on his throne (יְהוָה יֹשֵׁב עַל־כִּסְאוֹ, yhwh yoshev al-kis'o), and all the host of heaven (כָל־צְבָ֤א הַשָּׁמַ֙יִם, khol-tseva' hashshamayim) standing beside him on his right hand and on his left” (ESV). These types of statements portray all other supernatural forces and divine entities as subordinate to the God of Israel (M. Smith, Origins, 48–49; McKenzie, Myth, 114–16; G. Smith, “Concept of God,” 33). Psalm 24:7–10 combines the motifs of the “day of Yahweh,” the kingship of Yahweh, and Yahweh’s role as warrior and Lord of hosts in its description of Yahweh’s victorious return from a cosmic battle. In this psalm, Yahweh is a valiant and mighty warrior (גִבּוֹר, gibbor) who leads the divine armies in victory over the divine forces opposed to Him (von Rad, “Day of Yahweh,” 103−05). The psalm recognizes Yahweh as the “glorious King” who comes to take His place of enthronement (Zobel, “Tseva’oth,” 223; Mowinckel, He That Cometh, 145; Cross, Canaanite, 91−93). The call in Psalm 24:7, “Lift up your heads, O gates,” resembles a Ugaritic text’s (2.1.19−37) description of Baal’s declaration upon his victorious return from battle: “Lift up, O Gods, your heads” (s’u ‘ilm r’astkm; CTA 2.1.27). Acosta, D. R. (2016). Lord of Hosts. In J. D. Barry, D. Bomar, D. R. Brown, R. Klippenstein, D. Mangum, C. Sinclair Wolcott, … W. Widder (Eds.), The Lexham Bible Dictionary. Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted October 23, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) On 10/20/2019 at 4:39 AM, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said: What the ancient Mesopotamian and Sumerian did write in their fables it is useless to compare with Scriptures, Please read and understand.. Ancient Near Eastern Context The biblical concept of the Lord of Hosts is reflected in ancient Near Eastern texts from outside of Israel—particularly Babylon and Ugarit. These texts contain motifs of a supreme god who rules over other deities, divine entities, and people, and of a warrior god who leads the heavenly hosts into battle. The parallels between these texts and those of ancient Israel demonstrate that the ancient Israelites used terminology and imagery similar to that of their ancient Near Eastern neighbors to describe Yahweh’s power and supremacy as creator (G. Smith, “The Concept of God,” 38). Acosta, D. R. (2016). Lord of Hosts. In J. D. Barry, D. Bomar, D. R. Brown, R. Klippenstein, D. Mangum, C. Sinclair Wolcott, … W. Widder (Eds.), The Lexham Bible Dictionary. Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press. Edited October 23, 2019 by Justin Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted October 23, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 23, 2019 If you do not understand the old, how can you grasp the new? LORD OF HOSTS (יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת, yhwh tseva'oth). A phrase describing Yahweh’s role as the Lord of the heavenly armies, the commander of the cosmic forces, the head of the divine council, and the leader of Israel’s army (Wildberger, Isaiah, 29–30; Zobel, “Tseva’oth,” 220). Terminology The phrase “Lord of Hosts” communicates God’s role as a warrior who fights both in the cosmic conflict against divine forces and through human historical events for His people, Israel. The phrase appears 285 times in the Old Testament, with a high concentration in the Prophets (especially Isaiah, Jeremiah, Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi). The Septuagint most often translates the Hebrew term “hosts” (צְבָאוֹת, tseva'oth) with the Greek term “Almighty” (παντοκράτωρ, pantokratōr; Zobel, “Tseva’oth,” 216–17). The divine epithet “of hosts” always modifies a divine name (Zobel, “Tseva’oth,” 218): • 240x: יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת (yhwh tseva'oth) “YHWH of Hosts” • 15x: אֲדֹנָי יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת (adonay yehwah tseva'oth) “The Lord YHWH of Hosts” • 14x: יְהוָה אֱלוֹהַּ צְבָאוֹת (yhwh eloha tseva'oth) “YHWH God of Hosts” • 5x: הָאָדֹ֥ן יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת (ha'adon yehwah tseva'oth) “The Lord YHWH of Hosts” • 4x: יְהוָה אֱלֹהִ֥ים צְבָאוֹת (yhwh elohim tseva'oth) “YHWH God of Hosts” • 2x: אֱלוֹהַּ צְבָאוֹת (eloha tseva'oth) “God of Hosts” • 2x: יְהוָה אֱלוֹהַּ חַצְבָאוֹת (yhwh eloha chatsva'oth) “YHWH God of the Hosts” • 1x: אֲדֹנָי יְהוָה חַצְבָאוֹת (adonay yehwah chatsva'oth) “The Lord YHWH of the Hosts” • 1x: אֲדֹנָי יְהוָה אֱלוֹהַּ חַצְבָאוֹת (adonay yehwah eloha chatsva'oth) “The Lord YHWH God of the Hosts” According to Zobel, the phrase with the highest attestation in the Hebrew text, “Lord of Hosts” (יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת, yhwh tseva'oth), is also the most primitive (Zobel, “Tseva’oth,” 218). The phrase can be understood grammatically in multiple ways. One understanding views the noun “hosts” as a divine qualification or epithet of Yahweh in construct state (genitive construction). In this case, the divine name Yahweh is the first of the two nouns and governs the latter (GKC §125h; Zobel, “Tseva’oth,” 219; Choi, “Resheph,” 27). An alternative understanding views the expression as a nominal clause: Yahweh is the “hosts” (Tsevat, “Studies,” 54–55; Choi, “Resheph,” 18−19). A final understanding views the noun “hosts” as an attribute of or in apposition to “Yahweh” (von Rad, Theology, I, 19; Wildberger, Isaiah, 29–30; Tsevat, “Studies,” 54–55; Choi, “Resheph,” 27−28). Acosta, D. R. (2016). Lord of Hosts. In J. D. Barry, D. Bomar, D. R. Brown, R. Klippenstein, D. Mangum, C. Sinclair Wolcott, … W. Widder (Eds.), The Lexham Bible Dictionary. Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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