KJVOnly Posted December 22, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 228 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, BibleGuy said: OOPS! The letter WITHOUT THE SPIRIT kills... That's why Paul requires BOTH! SPIRIT (1Cor.6:11) and LAW (Rom.2:13) TOGETHER for justification. 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. Death is life? Mkay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJVOnly Posted December 22, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 228 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, BibleGuy said: "Or, is this verse found in the ACTUAL Law?" Not that I know of.... That's why it's reasonable to seek an alternative conception of "law" to explain Paul's usage of Isaiah. blessings... The entire O.T. is Law per Paul and Jesus. Deal with it and keep all of it. Don't be a piecemeal Law keeper. Get with it. Hey, what tribe you from....you have not mentioned it yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleGuy Posted December 22, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 777 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 224 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, KJVOnly said: So, the O.T. Law is combined in the N.T. Spirit? You just crucified the son of God afresh and put him to an open shame. You just told Jesus, you choose both covenants.... Moses and Jesus per Hebrews 7. Bad choice. "So, the O.T. Law is combined in the N.T. Spirit?" SAME TORAH in Both Covenants. Otherwise Jeremiah 31:33 is a false prophecy (given Dt. 13:1-5). SAME SPIRIT in Both Covenants. God only has ONE Holy Spirit! The SPIRIT leads us to obey Torah HERE (Ps.51:10,19) and HERE (Heb.10:15-16). BOTH. SAME. "you just crucified the son of God afresh and put him to an open shame." Don't be silly! Try again. This time with a good reason....not just an unsupported opinion. "You just told Jesus, you choose both covenants...." WRONG. The OLD Covenant passes away (Heb.8:13). The SAME TORAH passes into the NEW Covenant (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16). NEW Covenant (Jer.31:31;Heb.8:8). SAME Torah (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16). NOTHING in Hebrews 7 contradicts the Biblical position I've set before you. Try me! blessings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJVOnly Posted December 22, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 228 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 22, 2019 17 minutes ago, BibleGuy said: Well, I don't know if we have 100% proof for that one.... Jesus viewed Psalms as "law". The Torah of Moses is (by definition) law. Genesis is not the law of Moses...but still has some laws. Ecclesiastes is true, but not really "law". Song of Songs is quite interesting! But not really "law". But ALL Scripture is required (2Ti.3:16)..... So I'm not sure how important this issue is.... I guess we can ask them later.... Minimally, TORAH (law) in Jer.31:33 refers to TORAH OF MOSES (and thus the PROPHETS and PSALMS by extension)...and that is good enough to rebuke the widely anti-Torah religious establishment all around us. Let's return to truly authentic Torah-obedient faith, as required by Jesus (Mt.5:19) and the apostles (Mt.23:34) for all disciples of all nations (Mt.28:19-20). blessings... You just admitted that every O.T. book is Law. Even Abraham kept the Law. Now, keep all 39 books of it as described by Jesus and Paul or see another covenant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJVOnly Posted December 22, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 228 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 22, 2019 Just now, BibleGuy said: "So, the O.T. Law is combined in the N.T. Spirit?" SAME TORAH in Both Covenants. Otherwise Jeremiah 31:33 is a false prophecy (given Dt. 13:1-5). SAME SPIRIT in Both Covenants. God only has ONE Holy Spirit! The SPIRIT leads us to obey Torah HERE (Ps.51:10,19) and HERE (Heb.10:15-16). BOTH. SAME. "you just crucified the son of God afresh and put him to an open shame." Don't be silly! Try again. This time with a good reason....not just an unsupported opinion. "You just told Jesus, you choose both covenants...." WRONG. The OLD Covenant passes away (Heb.8:13). The SAME TORAH passes into the NEW Covenant (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16). NEW Covenant (Jer.31:31;Heb.8:8). SAME Torah (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16). NOTHING in Hebrews 7 contradicts the Biblical position I've set before you. Try me! blessings... Ahhh....you have an O.T. Spirit mixed with the New Covenant. You are cool, but not too cool. This is all I got.... 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.... 18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. I am stuck with Jesus alone, not Moses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJVOnly Posted December 22, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 228 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, BibleGuy said: "Or, is this verse found in the ACTUAL Law?" Not that I know of.... That's why it's reasonable to seek an alternative conception of "law" to explain Paul's usage of Isaiah. blessings... Good thing you guys are around to correct Paul. "Actual Law, Paul"? "Be specific, Paul" Hey, I had a Hebrew Roots friend admit to me that Paul was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJVOnly Posted December 22, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 228 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, BibleGuy said: "Is this the Hebrew Roots translation?" What's that? And why assume Paul only defines " νόμος " as the written Torah of Moses? After all, sometimes " νόμος " has a different meaning.... " νόμος " is not ALWAYS so narrowly defined. blessings... So you are saying Paul said "Law" but meant something else? What about Jesus? Did he do the same thing as Paul? Could maybe, just maybe, both Paul and Jesus be right and the "Torah" inventer that made 34 O.T. books not Law, be wrong? ....maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJVOnly Posted December 22, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 228 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, BibleGuy said: "Or, is this verse found in the ACTUAL Law?" Not that I know of.... That's why it's reasonable to seek an alternative conception of "law" to explain Paul's usage of Isaiah. blessings... Hey, why don't you and I make up a "little law/Big Law" doctrine? Oh, you already did? Rats. Edited December 22, 2019 by KJVOnly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJVOnly Posted December 22, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 228 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 22, 2019 Don't feel bad. I taught 5 books were Law and the 34 books were something else for decades. Thank God I stopped and noticed God giving Law from the garden to Malachi. Ahhh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJVOnly Posted December 22, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 228 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, BibleGuy said: "So, the O.T. Law is combined in the N.T. Spirit?" SAME TORAH in Both Covenants. Otherwise Jeremiah 31:33 is a false prophecy (given Dt. 13:1-5). SAME SPIRIT in Both Covenants. God only has ONE Holy Spirit! The SPIRIT leads us to obey Torah HERE (Ps.51:10,19) and HERE (Heb.10:15-16). BOTH. SAME. "you just crucified the son of God afresh and put him to an open shame." Don't be silly! Try again. This time with a good reason....not just an unsupported opinion. "You just told Jesus, you choose both covenants...." WRONG. The OLD Covenant passes away (Heb.8:13). The SAME TORAH passes into the NEW Covenant (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16). NEW Covenant (Jer.31:31;Heb.8:8). SAME Torah (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16). NOTHING in Hebrews 7 contradicts the Biblical position I've set before you. Try me! blessings... Leviticus 20:14 King James Version (KJV) 14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you. Keep the Torah! Kill, kill, kill! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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