BibleGuy Posted December 23, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 777 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 224 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 23, 2019 3 hours ago, KJVOnly said: Don't feel bad. I taught 5 books were Law and the 34 books were something else for decades. Thank God I stopped and noticed God giving Law from the garden to Malachi. Ahhh! Not sure there's much "law" in Esther or Song of Songs.... But ok....call it "law" if it makes you happy. blessings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleGuy Posted December 23, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 777 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 224 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 23, 2019 3 hours ago, KJVOnly said: Leviticus 20:14 King James Version (KJV) 14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you. Keep the Torah! Kill, kill, kill! or DISOBEY THE TORAH! AND BE LEAST (Mt.5:19) AND BE EXCLUDED FROM THE KINGDOM (Mt.5:20) AND BE CAST AWAY FROM JESUS (Mt.7:21-23) AND BE JUDGED BY FIRE (Mt.13:41-42) AND BE A CHILD OF THE DEVIL (1Jn.3:10) AND BE A LIAR (1Jn.2:4) YOU CHOOSE (Dt.30:19). Paul UPHOLDS Torah death penalties (e.g., 1 Cor. 5:5). Paul applies Dt. 30 to you (Rom.10:8). SO OBEY! And LIVE! (Mt.4:4) And LIVE! (Dt. 8:3) And LIVE! (Dt. 30:15-19) And LIVE! (Dt.32:47) And LIVE! (Jn.6:63 + Mt.5:19) And LIVE! (Jn.14:6 +Mt.23:2-3,23) Choice is yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleGuy Posted December 23, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 777 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 224 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, KJVOnly said: Abrahamic Torah’s. Cmon. ..... Should these Mosaic mercy killings you recommend be painful? "Abrahamic Torah’s. Cmon. ....." Brilliant logic there, buddy! I give you Ge. 26:5 as PROOF that Abraham obeyed TORAHS (plural, in Ge.26:5). And your counter-response is......."cmon"...... Try again! Give me a REASON. Not just "cmon"....that doesn't cut it. And besides, Moses told us that Mosaic Torah is NOT identical to previous Torah (Dt.5:3). So there's more proof that ABRAHAMIC TORAH is not identical to MOSAIC TORAH. "Should these Mosaic mercy killings you recommend be painful?" You're just trolling again..... Don't be silly. blessings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleGuy Posted December 23, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 777 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 224 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, KJVOnly said: No silly. The passage says one testament kills. The other testament gives life to the dead. Those that mix these testaments are like a chicken running around with its head chopped off. Either he’s dead or alive. Not both OOPS! It does not say "one testament kills"....it says the LETTER WITHOUT THE SPIRIT kills..... That's why Paul requires TORAH (Rom.2:13) and the SPIRIT (1Cor.6:11) TOGETHER for justification. NOT the letter without the spirit....because the letter, alone, KILLS! So do BOTH! "The other testament gives life to the dead. " The NEW Covenant contains the SAME TORAH (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16). "Those that mix these testaments..." I never mixed the covenants. The OLD Covenant passes away (Heb.8:13). The SAME TORAH passes into the NEW Covenant (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16). NEW Covenant (Jer.31:31;Heb.8:8). SAME TORAH (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16). Torah was widely DISOBEYED in the Old Covenant (Heb.8:9). Torah is properly OBEYED in the New Covenant (Heb.8:10). Try again! blessings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleGuy Posted December 23, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 777 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 224 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, KJVOnly said: You are most certainly a piecemeal Law keeper. How miserable that must be. You want so bad to smite various types of immoral sinners but Uncle Sam forbids you to keep your OT covenant(Law). He only lets you tinker with it. I wonder if God has something to do with your predicament? Hmmmm "You are most certainly a piecemeal Law keeper. " Nope. Obey ALL presently observable Torah. Not arbitrary pick-and-choose theology (typical in religious circles). "How miserable that must be. " It's LIFE! (Mt.4:4;30:19;32:47;Jn.6:63). It's PEACE! (Ps.119:165) It's JOY! (Ps.119:162) It's FAITHFULNESS (Mt.23:23;Dt.32:20;Ps.119:30,86,138)! It's GOODNESS! (Rom.7:12) It's HOLINESS! (Rom.7:12) It's RIGHTEOUSNESS (Dt.6:25;Is.56:1;Da.12:3;Eze.18:5-9;2Ti.3:16;Mt.5:20)! It's SPIRITUAL! (Rom.7:14) It's the OPPOSITE of sin! (Rom.3:20;7:7;1Jn.3:4) It's the FOUNDATION of the New Covenant (Jer.31:33) inaugurated in Christ's blood (Lk.22:20) for you. "You want so bad to smite various types of immoral sinners" Nonsense. I desire EVERY person come to repentance (2Pe.3:9). "Uncle Sam forbids you to keep your OT covenant(Law). He only lets you tinker with it." That's the punishment we suffer in our diaspora.... Don't worry! We WILL again obey 100% of all Torah (Dt.30:1-8). Moses is not a false prophet. "I wonder if God has something to do with your predicament?" I have no predicament. But if you oppose Torah, then YOU face the following risks: Mt. 5:19 or worse (Mt.5:20) or worse (Mt.7:21-23) or worse (Mt.13:41-42) Another good reason to OBEY! blessings.... Edited December 23, 2019 by BibleGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJVOnly Posted December 23, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 228 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 23, 2019 15 hours ago, BibleGuy said: "You are most certainly a piecemeal Law keeper. " Nope. Obey ALL presently observable Torah. Not arbitrary pick-and-choose theology (typical in religious circles). "How miserable that must be. " It's LIFE! (Mt.4:4;30:19;32:47;Jn.6:63). It's PEACE! (Ps.119:165) It's JOY! (Ps.119:162) It's FAITHFULNESS (Mt.23:23;Dt.32:20;Ps.119:30,86,138)! It's GOODNESS! (Rom.7:12) It's HOLINESS! (Rom.7:12) It's RIGHTEOUSNESS (Dt.6:25;Is.56:1;Da.12:3;Eze.18:5-9;2Ti.3:16;Mt.5:20)! It's SPIRITUAL! (Rom.7:14) It's the OPPOSITE of sin! (Rom.3:20;7:7;1Jn.3:4) It's the FOUNDATION of the New Covenant (Jer.31:33) inaugurated in Christ's blood (Lk.22:20) for you. "You want so bad to smite various types of immoral sinners" Nonsense. I desire EVERY person come to repentance (2Pe.3:9). "Uncle Sam forbids you to keep your OT covenant(Law). He only lets you tinker with it." That's the punishment we suffer in our diaspora.... Don't worry! We WILL again obey 100% of all Torah (Dt.30:1-8). Moses is not a false prophet. "I wonder if God has something to do with your predicament?" I have no predicament. But if you oppose Torah, then YOU face the following risks: Mt. 5:19 or worse (Mt.5:20) or worse (Mt.7:21-23) or worse (Mt.13:41-42) Another good reason to OBEY! blessings.... Quote Nope. Obey ALL presently observable Torah. Yikes..... 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. Busted! Guilty in the 1st degree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJVOnly Posted December 23, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 228 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 23, 2019 15 hours ago, BibleGuy said: OOPS! It does not say "one testament kills"....it says the LETTER WITHOUT THE SPIRIT kills..... That's why Paul requires TORAH (Rom.2:13) and the SPIRIT (1Cor.6:11) TOGETHER for justification. NOT the letter without the spirit....because the letter, alone, KILLS! So do BOTH! "The other testament gives life to the dead. " The NEW Covenant contains the SAME TORAH (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16). "Those that mix these testaments..." I never mixed the covenants. The OLD Covenant passes away (Heb.8:13). The SAME TORAH passes into the NEW Covenant (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16). NEW Covenant (Jer.31:31;Heb.8:8). SAME TORAH (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16). Torah was widely DISOBEYED in the Old Covenant (Heb.8:9). Torah is properly OBEYED in the New Covenant (Heb.8:10). Try again! blessings... Okay, you asked for it... 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter(DEATH MINISTRY), but of the spirit(LIFE MINISTRY): for the letter killeth(DEATH MINISTRY), but the spirit giveth life(LIFE MINISTRY). 7 But if the ministration of death(DEATH MINISTRY), written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit(LIFE MINISTRY) be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation(DEATH MINISTRY) be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness(LIFE MINISTRY) exceed in glory. 10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.(LIFE MINISTRY NULLIFIED DEATH MINISTRY AS ZERO GLORY IN COMPARISON) 11 For if that which is done away was glorious(DEATH MINISTRY FORMER GLORY), much more that which remaineth is glorious.(REMAINING LIFE MINISTRY IS NOW GLORIOUS) 12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:(LIFE MINISTRY GIVES HOPE) 13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:(DEATH MINISTRY ABOLISHED) 14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament(DEATH MINISTRY BLINDS); which vail is done away in Christ.(LIFE MINISTRY PER CHRIST REMOVES VAIL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJVOnly Posted December 23, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 228 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 23, 2019 16 hours ago, BibleGuy said: "Abrahamic Torah’s. Cmon. ....." Brilliant logic there, buddy! I give you Ge. 26:5 as PROOF that Abraham obeyed TORAHS (plural, in Ge.26:5). And your counter-response is......."cmon"...... Try again! Give me a REASON. Not just "cmon"....that doesn't cut it. And besides, Moses told us that Mosaic Torah is NOT identical to previous Torah (Dt.5:3). So there's more proof that ABRAHAMIC TORAH is not identical to MOSAIC TORAH. "Should these Mosaic mercy killings you recommend be painful?" You're just trolling again..... Don't be silly. blessings... Non answer is not an answer. Would you strike the match on gays and adulterers per Mosaic Law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJVOnly Posted December 23, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 228 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 23, 2019 16 hours ago, BibleGuy said: Not sure there's much "law" in Esther or Song of Songs.... But ok....call it "law" if it makes you happy. blessings... Good. Now get off your "Torah" kick and call the entire O.T. Law. Now, you really have a stack of Laws to try to keep. Ugh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrection Priest Posted December 23, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 467 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 153 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/20/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 23, 2019 Romans 5:1 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, (NIV) I came before GOD in the person of Yeshua Messiah, to claim His body and blood as MY SACRIFICE. When I did that, I was "justified" by faith. There is NOTHING ELSE I need to do! It is a lie of the Enemy that I must do something else - to atone for my sin by good works or sacrifices of some kind, to prove my love for God. Romans 5:11 "Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation." The word "reconciliation" is the same word also translated as "atonement". Good works come into the picture, because they are THE RESULT of our new friendship relationship with Christ, and the RESULT of His Spirit within us. BibleGuy, I don't think you believe that we need to present animals for sacrifice, in order to receive atonement, or in order to be justified. We already HAVE those things. (If I've understood you), you think we should/will do those things to commemorate Christ's death and His works for us. Much like Christians today, "eat the bread" and "drink the wine". Is that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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